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butch1: I agree,some of the best sounding gear is also not the best in looks or design,there is always a compromise. I am biased but I love the looks of my linn klimax components,milled from a solid block of aluminium,with no fancy buttons,also my black gloss laquer speakers with aluminuim 3k arrays,very classy looking, meridian dsp speakers looks good aswell.not a fan of naim though.You can buy one linn ds player connected to linn activ speakers very classy and simple setup,proper hi-fi doesnt have to be loads of clutter and cables everywere to sound sublime.
I agree,some of the best sounding gear is also not the best in looks or design,there is always a compromise.
I am biased but I love the looks of my linn klimax components,milled from a solid block of aluminium,with no fancy buttons,also my black gloss laquer speakers with aluminuim 3k arrays,very classy looking, meridian dsp speakers looks good aswell.not a fan of naim though.You can buy one linn ds player connected to linn activ speakers very classy and simple setup,proper hi-fi doesnt have to be loads of clutter and cables everywere to sound sublime.
I must admit I was really tempted to get the Klimax DSM to go along with my high glass walnut 350A but reflecting on the fact that the Klimax DS is basically an updated version of a decade old DAC. I have decided to go with the TotalDAC instead that has a stepped ladder DAC along with an 80bit DSP. I really enjoy the sound of the new minimum phase filter options of recent DACs and the Klimax didn't offer that so.... The special filter really do make the sound quite a bit more lifelike and dynamic than overly smooth and detailed like most high end DACs will sound. But I am really sacrificing convenience here - I would have to hook up the DAC to a computer direct for music playback which isn't exactly bad because then I get to apply fancy room corrections on the cheap.
Honestly mate I have no interest in your audiophile jargon,with dsp and phases etc its boring in my eyes,also linn sounds the best in a whole linn system,I have heard total dacs before not my cup of tea soundwise,also klimax ds looks alot better than a dac and computer as source.Also a dsm is not as good as a ds and kontrol.
I know what sounds better to me,solos and 350p,thats why they are more expensive combined than the cheaper 350a setup. The amps are better,top of linns tree,most linn enthusiasts will say the same 350a not in the same league.
I am on a b&o forum so I am going to refrain myself from talking about other systems too much,thats what other forums are for.I
dont know what others think,but alot of your posts in my eyes are boring like you are trying to lecture us on speaker technology,not really interested myself,but each to their own.I never really look at specs or trust magazines, my own eyes and ears are better than all of them,and I can make my own mind up,its my money after all.You remind me of james may on topgear.
Back to the original posting,are you buying 6002 or what?I presume, not after your slating of them in your last few posts.With all your knowledge of loudspeaker technology inc LAT,and an eye for design,you should quite easily come up with a fantastic loudspeaker,yourself,which would give struer a run for their money,then you can prove us all wrong.
adios
butch1: Honestly mate I have no interest in your audiophile jargon,with dsp and phases etc its boring in my eyes,also linn sounds the best in a whole linn system,I have heard total dacs before not my cup of tea soundwise,also klimax ds looks alot better than a dac and computer as source.Also a dsm is not as good as a ds and kontrol. I know what sounds better to me,solos and 350p,thats why they are more expensive combined than the cheaper 350a setup. The amps are better,top of linns tree,most linn enthusiasts will say the same 350a not in the same league. I am on a b&o forum so I am going to refrain myself from talking about other systems too much,thats what other forums are for.I dont know what others think,but alot of your posts in my eyes are boring like you are trying to lecture us on speaker technology,not really interested myself,but each to their own.I never really look at specs or trust magazines, my own eyes and ears are better than all of them,and I can make my own mind up,its my money after all.You remind me of james may on topgear. Back to the original posting,are you buying 6002 or what?I presume, not after your slating of them in your last few posts.With all your knowledge of loudspeaker technology inc LAT,and an eye for design,you should quite easily come up with a fantastic loudspeaker,yourself,which would give struer a run for their money,then you can prove us all wrong. adios
Cheaper and mentioning prices of your system? Which era are we living in? How very bourgeois! I think we might have an age gap.
PS. I will like to add that my Totaldac is "cheaper" than the Klimax DS. So there you go my system is a lot "cheaper". But really for the price you are paying for the Klimax DS, you should be really be looking at DACs that are R2R type like the offerings from DCS. MSB or Totaldac or at least employ multiple staggered dac topology. The 80 bit processing in the Totaldac is really used as a provision for future digital active crossover and to negate the negative impacts of minimum phase or non-oversampling filters. And you are still using a ton of separate for boxes for your setup. I belong to the straight wire with gain group and I belong to an era where I have never heard the playback or a Vinyl so....
I am sure there will be plenty of systems better than the Klimax 350As. I decided to go for it honestly because the economy was bad and I jumped at the chance of getting them brand new for half. Those were the best I could afford on my student's allowance at the time of purchase. In retrospect If I am to make a choice of how to get the most sound for my money I would have went to commission a loudspeakers cabinet builder to build a simple two way with TAD's drivers with provisions to conceal a Nad M2 amplifier in each of the speakers - Direct digital amplifiers are the future! And that's where Icepower should be heading but the incentives might not be high enough for B&O to embark on such an ambitious project especially since the benchmark is already set so high ( full 20bit resolution throughout the electronic chain and that was 5 yrs ago). Or perhaps I would just simply gotten a pair of ugly Meyer X-10s and find a way to hide them out of sight.
Truth be told, I knew fully well then that TAD's high end compression loaded semi full-range drivers ( one of those cost as much as a pair high end bookshelf) that operate from midrange and up would beat Klimax 3k array hands down for sure. But it's the form factor and my amateur status in that domain that prevented me from taking on such an ambitious and risky project but now that I realized that all I need is a Cheap Amarra or Pure Music software to do the crossover and DSP...... Perhaps I will create a pair for my future art studio.
Anyway the dealer isn't able to sell me any 6002s. Like I said, according to him the model is discontinued.
The A9 has just arrived and I am quite hesitant to say that there might be too much hype surrounding it. The bass is quite disjointed and the highs are a little shouty but I am having a real trouble of putting the grill cloth back on after I pulled the white one off in an attempt to switch it a black version. Maybe after I find a way to put the cloth back on tonal balance will get better. The setting has already been switched to wall maybe I should switch that further to corner instead?
Update: Leave the grill cloth on the A9 in place! It is sounding way better this way - I got the help of my live-in help to put it back on. Though I still do not approve of the bass loading technique and I think the poor enclosure of the A9 has a hand in this problem too - it vibrates way too vigorously for its own good. Sound isa little shut-in. And it still sounds like a high end sub sat system to me. Bass facing at the rear with small midrange/bass driver facing forward? Not a very clever thing to do at all. Maybe I am just not used to subwoofers.Never liked them. Thank goodness I didn't jump the gun and buy a pair of the lab 12-2s yesterday. I suspect it will suffer a worse bass to midrange integration problem. But really where can I put the lab12-2s or even the 12-3s? I have too many sound systems already. If I haven't gotten the A9 I would most probably..... too late.... damn dealer and his poor salesmanship.
The BL8002 and the BL6002 are still in the new official pricelist from jan 2013.
Greetings Millemissen
There is a tv - and there is a BV
I am sure the 8002s are still going to be in production for a while but my dealer is even refusing to sell me the showroom pair of 6002s. And he can no longer place orders for either new pairs of 4000s or 6002s. Quite a puzzle. But it is very safe to assume that B&O is going through a major product overhaul. You can infer that simply from the radically different connection methodology employed in the most recent products.
I am confident B&O will introduce worthwhile replacements to the old range though. The Lab12s can really only work close to boundaries or up against the wall both on acoustic and aesthetic terms. In retrospect I think the new designer is fully capable of designing lovely freestanding loudspeakers. After factoring in the design limitations imposed on the Beolab 12 range, it is quite a marvelous achievement excluding the 12-1 that is..... I have no idea what's with that.
I dont know about the age gap mate,I am 33 years old.
wonderfulelectric:I am sure the 8002s are still going to be in production for a while but my dealer is even refusing to sell me the showroom pair of 6002s. And he can no longer place orders for either new pairs of 4000s or 6002s. Quite a puzzle. But it is very safe to assume that B&O is going through a major product overhaul. You can infer that simply from the radically different connection methodology employed in the most recent products. I am confident B&O will introduce worthwhile replacements to the old range though. The Lab12s can really only work close to boundaries or up against the wall both on acoustic and aesthetic terms. In retrospect I think the new designer is fully capable of designing lovely freestanding loudspeakers. After factoring in the design limitations imposed on the Beolab 12 range, it is quite a marvelous achievement excluding the 12-1 that is..... I have no idea what's with that.
Why would I need to look at other dacs they look crap,here you go again with your audiophile jargon,
I bet you spend more time reading reviews and writing posts than you actually listen to music,I know what I would rather do.I never mentioned anything to do with my system price in my last post,I only said the word expensive.
You are the one that mentioned that my ds is based on old technology and the total dac is better for less,that is your opinion.If it sounds better to you then you should be happy.
You get alot of non b&o owners,who have never ever owned the gear saying,its overpriced, my nad seperates sound better etc.When deep down they would love it if they had the money.Price and performance have nothing to do with it.
Look at nissan gtr,will beat cars costing double the price, so performance per pound is fantastic.But it still is not a ferrari with the history,heritage,looks.
B&o sound can be bettered by cheaper kit,but I know which I prefer,same applies to linn.You obviously are not married,as I know my partner would not be happy if large ugly speakers and components and cables were scattered over the house,there is always a compromise in everything we buy.
Look at my linn system in my photos,no cables anywere and blends with my B&0,try that with other seperates gear.
lol Thats a polite way to put it,I think I need some lessons.The thread started talking about lab6002,then lectures about technology,which made me talk about other brands,I dont know were this thread is going.I am bored now.
MartinW: wonderfulelectric: I am sure the 8002s are still going to be in production for a while but my dealer is even refusing to sell me the showroom pair of 6002s. And he can no longer place orders for either new pairs of 4000s or 6002s. Quite a puzzle. But it is very safe to assume that B&O is going through a major product overhaul. You can infer that simply from the radically different connection methodology employed in the most recent products. I am confident B&O will introduce worthwhile replacements to the old range though. The Lab12s can really only work close to boundaries or up against the wall both on acoustic and aesthetic terms. In retrospect I think the new designer is fully capable of designing lovely freestanding loudspeakers. After factoring in the design limitations imposed on the Beolab 12 range, it is quite a marvelous achievement excluding the 12-1 that is..... I have no idea what's with that. I think your dealer is perhaps politely telling you to go away and stop visiting him! Maybe because everytime you say something its the same old thing?
wonderfulelectric: I am sure the 8002s are still going to be in production for a while but my dealer is even refusing to sell me the showroom pair of 6002s. And he can no longer place orders for either new pairs of 4000s or 6002s. Quite a puzzle. But it is very safe to assume that B&O is going through a major product overhaul. You can infer that simply from the radically different connection methodology employed in the most recent products. I am confident B&O will introduce worthwhile replacements to the old range though. The Lab12s can really only work close to boundaries or up against the wall both on acoustic and aesthetic terms. In retrospect I think the new designer is fully capable of designing lovely freestanding loudspeakers. After factoring in the design limitations imposed on the Beolab 12 range, it is quite a marvelous achievement excluding the 12-1 that is..... I have no idea what's with that.
I think your dealer is perhaps politely telling you to go away and stop visiting him! Maybe because everytime you say something its the same old thing?
Well he was pushing the 4000s after I cancelled the order for the A9 and ordered straight from NYC. But like I said from the very beginning, his dealership is no longer accepting fresh orders for both the 6002s and 4000s.
And obviously repetition is getting people to read my post? No? You are obviously following this thread very closely.
I asked the dealer plenty of times regarding the 4000s and 6002s after I received contrary information from various dealers.
But it is implied in the product profile of the lab 4000s that it is on its way out no? Obviously I am not the only one......
butch1: lol Thats a polite way to put it,I think I need some lessons.The thread started talking about lab6002,then lectures about technology,which made me talk about other brands,I dont know were this thread is going.I am bored now.
And yes age gap. Nearly a decade. And you are right I am single and I don't need another half to approve of my furnishing choices from Baccarat, Cecotti, Cassina & Flos. Again I am single and jobless, and do not actually own a place although I have places under my name but they are my family's. All I am focusing on now is to get my self-commisioned art projects on track. I do have tons of time and I am glad I am fortunate enough to have that. I am in the process of learning to be at peace with the present . It is sort of my New Year's resolution.
Like I said I really do admire the Klimax DS range.... the finishings built etc.... are very alluring... But I have too much anxiety as an audiophile to settle with old tech. I mean I did already imply that in my earlier my posts and plenty of people, you not withstanding are still following the thread I started right? I can't afford whole Klimax solo activated system at least for now. And it is common knowledge that matchy matchy is so passé.
I have too many other priorities like my seasonal Alexander Mcq, Givenchy, Lanvin and Prada ( not Prada S/S 13 though ) runway essentials and there's a watch from Jaquet Droz I am saving up to get , and less not forget there's this scarab inspired ring I am saving up to get this month. Let's hope my wait listing for the annual Met Fashion Gala falls through. And of course there's the matter of draining my trust fund account to put into my art exhibition. Maybe it is a good thing I am still single. One may or may not be the loneliest number. So there...... You mentioned about seeking aesthetic consult from your other half?
Marriage = Good taste ? Seriously? Who define the arbiters of good taste and were they all married? That's the question of the day.
Anyway good for you that you have that! I am lonely as hell at times. But like I said I am trying to be okay with that.
Regarding the amount of music I listen to.... Just to give you rough idea of exactly how much music I listen to... I provide you with the number of tracks I successfully ripped (11360) excluding a few racks of CDs that are still waiting for me to rip. Which reminds me that there's a limited edition rosewood clad 60 CD boxset of Maria Callas that I can't wait to start ripping as soon as I find where I have placed it that is.
I am listening to an old album ( Kish Kash) from Basement Jaxx at the moment. PS did I also mention that I am taking DJ lessons for self-enrichment?
wonderfulelectric: butch1: lol Thats a polite way to put it,I think I need some lessons.The thread started talking about lab6002,then lectures about technology,which made me talk about other brands,I dont know were this thread is going.I am bored now. Oh I am sure someone says he post the comment " I am bored now" following a paragraph of his own fresh post meant what he wrote. And yes age gap. Nearly a decade. And you are right I am single and I don't need another half to approve of my furnishing choices from Baccarat, Cecotti, Cassina & Flos. Again I am single and jobless, and do not actually own a place although I have places under my name but they are my family's. All I am focusing on now is to get my self-commisioned art projects on track. I do have tons of time and I am glad I am fortunate enough to have that. I am in the process of learning to be at peace with the present . It is sort of my New Year's resolution. Like I said I really do admire the Klimax DS range.... the finishings built etc.... are very alluring... But I have too much anxiety as an audiophile to settle with old tech. I mean I did already imply that in my earlier my posts and plenty of people, you not withstanding are still following the thread I started right? I can't afford whole Klimax solo activated system at least for now. And it is common knowledge that matchy matchy is so passé. I have too many other priorities like my seasonal Alexander Mcq, Givenchy, Lanvin and Prada ( not Prada S/S 13 though ) runway essentials and there's a watch from Jaquet Droz I am saving up to get , and less not forget there's this scarab inspired ring I am saving up to get this month. Let's hope my wait listing for the annual Met Fashion Gala falls through. And of course there's the matter of draining my trust fund account to put into my art exhibition. Maybe it is a good thing I am still single. One may or may not be the loneliest number. So there...... You mentioned about seeking aesthetic consult from your other half? Marriage = Good taste ? Seriously? Who define the arbiters of good taste and were they all married? That's the question of the day. Anyway good for you that you have that! I am lonely as hell at times. But like I said I am trying to be okay with that. Regarding the amount of music I listen to.... Just to give you rough idea of exactly how much music I listen to... I provide you with the number of tracks I successfully ripped (11360) excluding a few racks of CDs that are still waiting for me to rip. Which reminds me that there's a limited edition rosewood clad 60 CD boxset of Maria Callas that I can't wait to start ripping as soon as I find where I have placed it that is. I am listening to an old album from ( Kish Kash) from Basement Jaxx at the moment. PS did I also mention that I am taking DJ lessons for self-enrichment?
I am listening to an old album from ( Kish Kash) from Basement Jaxx at the moment. PS did I also mention that I am taking DJ lessons for self-enrichment?
Oh dear!
Ban boring signatures!
How many labels can I fit into one post,
wonderfulelectric: butch1: lol Thats a polite way to put it,I think I need some lessons.The thread started talking about lab6002,then lectures about technology,which made me talk about other brands,I dont know were this thread is going.I am bored now. Oh I am sure someone says he post the comment " I am bored now" following a paragraph of his own fresh post meant what he wrote. And yes age gap. Nearly a decade. And you are right I am single and I don't need another half to approve of my furnishing choices from Baccarat, Cecotti, Cassina & Flos. Again I am single and jobless, and do not actually own a place although I have places under my name but they are my family's. All I am focusing on now is to get my self-commisioned art projects on track. I do have tons of time and I am glad I am fortunate enough to have that. I am in the process of learning to be at peace with the present . It is sort of my New Year's resolution. Like I said I really do admire the Klimax DS range.... the finishings built etc.... are very alluring... But I have too much anxiety as an audiophile to settle with old tech. I mean I did already imply that in my earlier my posts and plenty of people, you not withstanding are still following the thread I started right? I can't afford whole Klimax solo activated system at least for now. And it is common knowledge that matchy matchy is so passé. I have too many other priorities like my seasonal Alexander Mcq, Givenchy, Lanvin and Prada ( not Prada S/S 13 though ) runway essentials and there's a watch from Jaquet Droz I am saving up to get , and less not forget there's this scarab inspired ring I am saving up to get this month. Let's hope my wait listing for the annual Met Fashion Gala falls through. And of course there's the matter of draining my trust fund account to put into my art exhibition. Maybe it is a good thing I am still single. One may or may not be the loneliest number. So there...... You mentioned about seeking aesthetic consult from your other half? Marriage = Good taste ? Seriously? Who define the arbiters of good taste and were they all married? That's the question of the day. Anyway good for you that you have that! I am lonely as hell at times. But like I said I am trying to be okay with that. Regarding the amount of music I listen to.... Just to give you rough idea of exactly how much music I listen to... I provide you with the number of tracks I successfully ripped (11360) excluding a few racks of CDs that are still waiting for me to rip. Which reminds me that there's a limited edition rosewood clad 60 CD boxset of Maria Callas that I can't wait to start ripping as soon as I find where I have placed it that is. I am listening to an old album ( Kish Kash) from Basement Jaxx at the moment. PS did I also mention that I am taking DJ lessons for self-enrichment?
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Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
For the benefit of our readers, let me summarize this thread:
One dealer in some remote place is trying to give the impression that 6002 are discontinued, possibly to sell something else or to get rid of a client. Repeat about 100 times.
As I don't think we're any more off topic than some other completely bonkers threads that were let to stay, I have simply rated this thread. Please try to stay on topic, if anybody still knows what it is.
--mika
I feel sorry for wonderfulelectrics parents,having to pay for all his expensive purchases,while he sits at home ,downloading loads of music, and reading about speaker technology and fashion shows, What designer furniture labels,can I post on beoworld to impress everyone.
Not one, bit of that last post, impressed me, with your cassina etc furniture,fashion shows etc.What I seen was a lonely,jobless, 20 something, with more time on his hands living of his parents money.
get a grip
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.
I only responded to what was posted,
I am totaly agree with your guys, it is a big mistake to eliminate the Beolab6002. When I look B&O, they doing what many other company of luxary products, BMW, Mercedes, Volvo, they reduice the quality to gain market chair. B&O will become a more "democratic" brand, more afortable to new generation. From my point of view it is a big mistake. But the technologie is changing so fast, it is becoming more and more dificult for B&O to be way ahead of the competition. May be it is becaus I am 50 years old that I think like that. :)
Castello
castellomtlqc:I am totaly agree with your guys, it is a big mistake to eliminate the Beolab6002.
They are not being eliminated from the calalogue...
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MartinW:This is a crazy crazy thread!!! Can i say that BMW are discontinuing the 3 series, Rolex are not going to make watches anymore and Samsung have decided to stop producing widescreen TV's. i know this because the guy at Cash Converters told me.
And Ferrari are making a 4WD.
Oh, wait.
Electrified: MartinW:This is a crazy crazy thread!!! Can i say that BMW are discontinuing the 3 series, Rolex are not going to make watches anymore and Samsung have decided to stop producing widescreen TV's. i know this because the guy at Cash Converters told me. And Ferrari are making a 4WD. Oh, wait.
Have you seen the Maserati 4WD? Looks like a Mazda!!!!
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Jonathan:Have you seen the Maserati 4WD? Looks like a Mazda!!!!
Ha, ha, I agree!