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Hi All
I thought I would mention my recent ebay purchase which was pick up only. I bought a Beomaster 6000 with remote (80's version), a Beogram 6002, a Beocord 8004 and a pair of Redline 140 speakers with the optional stands. The total cost was £200 GBP. I decided that at £50 an item that it was a worthwhile gamble. The items were very stained and dirty, however I could see no damage on anything and the speakers had the plastic strips and undamaged frets. I got it all home and spent a day cleaning everything and by the end of a days hard work everything was shiny and new looking, the lid of the Beogram was unmarked and shiny and contained an MMC3 in very good condition. All veneer is perfect and all cables are present and correct
Well so far so good!
Here comes my bad news:-
1 The Beocord came on but the eject was permanently up and no movement from the spindles. On looking inside the belts had turned to liquid and lay in small tarry puddles on the mechanism, I cleaned it all off and put the belts on from my Beocord 8000 and cleaned and lubricated the eject mechanism. I now have a fully operational beautiful condition Beocord 8004. ( getting some belts off Dillen for the 8000)
2 The Beogram 6002 was dead however, I already have a 6002 with a tone arm movement fault so I stripped them and combined the parts from both that I thought might be working and hey presto! I now also have a fully working lovely condition turntable and a spare MMC3
3 The speakers need the midrange cones re-foaming, which I will carry out soon and they will be as good as new.
4 The Beomaster is dead, this is beyond my capabilities, so I will be taking this to a repair guy to have a look at. Again I already have a fully operational Beomaster 6000 apart from a slipping volume belt ( replacement on the way)
I usually buy B&O gear at this kind of price from ebay with the pessimistic assumption that it will have some sort of fault and on this occasion I was correct, however for very little time and outlay two of the items are now working and the speakers will be a matter of a few hours of my time and a few £'s expense.
I love my Beosystem 6000 and am happy to have multiples as spares in the event of future failures
Dave: Here comes my bad news:- 1 The Beocord came on but the eject was permanently up and no movement from the spindles. On looking inside the belts had turned to liquid and lay in small tarry puddles on the mechanism, I cleaned it all off and put the belts on from my Beocord 8000 and cleaned and lubricated the eject mechanism. I now have a fully operational beautiful condition Beocord 8004. ( getting some belts off Dillen for the 8000) 2 The Beogram 6002 was dead however, I already have a 6002 with a tone arm movement fault so I stripped them and combined the parts from both that I thought might be working and hey presto! I now also have a fully working lovely condition turntable and a spare MMC3 3 The speakers need the midrange cones re-foaming, which I will carry out soon and they will be as good as new. 4 The Beomaster is dead, this is beyond my capabilities, so I will be taking this to a repair guy to have a look at. Again I already have a fully operational Beomaster 6000 apart from a slipping volume belt ( replacement on the way) I usually buy B&O gear at this kind of price from ebay with the pessimistic assumption that it will have some sort of fault and on this occasion I was correct, however for very little time and outlay two of the items are now working and the speakers will be a matter of a few hours of my time and a few £'s expense. I love my Beosystem 6000 and am happy to have multiples as spares in the event of future failures
You call that bad news..?
You were prepared to give it some TLC - you did - and now two items are working - and #3 (speakers) needs only a few hours work and then they're ok. I think that's good news. If they were beyond repair...Now, that would have been bad news Seems the only bad news is, that the Beomaster needs a professional repair guy...
Congrats with your wonderful classic system.
Steffen: You were prepared to give it some TLC - you did - and now two items are working - and #3 (speakers) needs only a few hours work and then they're ok. I think that's good news. If they were beyond repair...Now, that would have been bad news Seems the only bad news is, that the Beomaster needs a professional repair guy... Congrats with your wonderful classic system.
Steffen said it, for that price a steal, depending a bit on the repair guy, these RL 140 are very good sounding speakers, enjoy and congrats to a good buy.
Collecting Vintage B&O is not a hobby, its a lifestyle.
Thanks guys for your kind words and yes maybe only the Beogram is truly bad news the other items only appeared to be on 1st inspection.
Cheers
Dave
Well if you expect the worst you always get the worst. That is an univerisal law that always happen regardless of what you believe.
What did I expect when I got my 6000 units back in the fall of 2007? BM, BC6000 and Beogram 6006 in original white. Nothing other than the fact for some reason it is for sale and with the age + price you get a feelng for it with time. In this case All 3 units were DOA when I got them home. Dillen brought them back to life.
I had my fair share of B&O needing service and it is always down to the unit how troublesome it might be. Only 2 times I got the worst as in home repairs done by a non skilled pro.
I quickly got the sense of the cheaper the unit the more likely and reason for sale is the fact + age is equal to the need for service in most cases.
But anyway congratz on your new Beosystem.
I've tended to notice that pessimists are often happier than optimists. When things go bad, no problem we expected it, when they go right we're overjoyed. When an optimist has things go right, it's expected, but when the go wrong it's horrible.
Like they say, an optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds, and a pessimist fears this is true.
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
Just a quick update. Its the two woofers in both speakers that need refoaming, not the mid range. I have got 4 foams coming in the post and the speakers have been stripped out of the cabinets and all rotten foam cleaned off ready and waiting. The beomaster 6000 was taken to a Hi fi engineer who replaced a capacitor and the unit powered up for 30 seconds and went dead again, he tells me he doesn't want to spend any more time on it, so it looks like its destined for spares. Its a shame really its in great cosmetic condition.
Yeah the RL140 woofers are pretty tight to centre, I have successfully refoamed C75's and M120.2's by glueing the foam ring to the cone first, then when thats dry, glueing the foam to the outside metal, then centering and holding with clothes pegs till dry.
The covers over the voice coils on the RL140 woofers are an open weave cloth as opposed to the usual paper dome so i would be loath to cut them out to shim for centering.
I am a complete novice by the way but like to do as much as I can just for the satisfaction. As for looking for another repair guy here in the UK, they are few and far between and those that can do this kind of work are booked up for the forseeable future already.
I have done 4 RL140 woofers, and yes it is very tight, but cutting off the dust cap is not a problem, just cut as close as possible to the cone, leave one small part attached, and just kip them aside. Now glue the surrounds to the cone.
Then shim, to shim use acetate strips, the gap is about 0.10 - 0.15 mm.
Make sure the acetate strips comes all way in to the end of the coil.
Then glue the surround to the basket. If your driver has a gasket, Red Arrow, place that over the glued surround and/or find a circular item that fits over it and add some weight to it, Blue Arrows, leave to dry
Thanks Soren
I will do as you advise, and post an update when done. Thanks for the picture
Heres the update as promised.
I have refoamed the RL 140's successfully, they now sound great.
The Beomaster 6000 has come back from the repair guy sort of half fixed, its now no longer dead, it comes on in standby when plugged in and actually powers up also and appears functional, however after 30 seconds or so it clicks audibly from under the heatsink and goes back into standby?. I can switch it back on again straight away and it stays on for 30 seconds or so and goes back to standby. Has anyone any thoughts on what the problem could be?