Beovision 11

Hi all

I'm trialling a Beovision 11 for a few days and I thought I'd share some observations.

The picture is a step up from the 10, not significantly, but enough. I'm watching "The Way" with Martin Sheen in the "movie mode" and it is sharper with more natural colours. See it as a "Plasma" mode. Tomorrow I will see how the light sensor deals with having a window and sunshine behind it. This morning the 10-46 was unwatchable.

I'm adding a criticism in hindsight as my movie moves onto a seen(23.30) where Martin Sheen walks over the Pyrenees with his head torch on in darkness. The dynamic contrast made a large glowing band of light across the screen to emphasise the light whilst keeping the rest dark. A very clumsy way of trying to have the effect of individual zones like the 7-55. You will only see this in a total black seen with an individual bright light.

I know it's not fashionable but I really enjoyed the 3D mode, watching the inevitable Avatar. Even my technophobe mother in law was impressed. I thought a 46 inch wouldn't be big enough for 3D especially at greater distances, but it was actually better than the cinema for effect.

The Beo remote app used in my case on an Ipad mini, although fairly simple works very well.

The sound is frankly is in a different league. Great strength and clearer vocals, with lots of available bass from such a thin cabinet. The night listening sound mode is very helpful when the kids are in bed, as it keeps the lid on things whilst still allowing enough sound to hear what's going on.

It is shorter than a 10 on a pedestal stand making it notably smaller. Not a big deal unless your used to looking at a bigger frame. Might get a proper motorised stand for height and flexibility.

I'll see how this light sensor works tomorrow, but in the mean time I'm going back to The Way, and a big glass of red. Night

Chris Townsend:

The Beo remote app used in my case on an Ipad mini, although fairly simple works very well.

I bought an iPad mini for the purpose of controlling my content....then realised after a week it's easier using the Beo4. iPad Mini is now used in the office. Beo remote app is decent though, but still easier to use everything with the Beo4.

Chris Townsend:

The sound is frankly is in a different league. Great strength and clearer vocals, with lots of available bass from such a thin cabinet.

Yes, it's definitely a lot better than a standalone BV10. I didn't think it was hugely better than a BV10-46 with BL11 though? Definitely not in the BL7.2 league and no way near BL7.4+BL9s which I used to own with my BV7. That was the ultimate experience for me as the BL7.4 really enhanced voice, whilst the BL9s made movie-watching feel like you were in the cinema.

Chris Townsend:

It is shorter than a 10 on a pedestal stand making it notably smaller.

Definitely agree there. Feels much smaller....which is a reason why I still think I should have bought the 55", in hindsight. A mate's first impression was that I'd downgraded to the 40", such is the size difference. 

Used to it now though. I prefer the size of the BV11-46. Doesn't overwhelm the room. Shame there's no orange fret though.

The BVIS 11 is truly great! If you decide to go for it, deals are freely available!

I have a black fret on a black frame. You know when a woman wears black clothes with matching black undies, and you can't help looking!!!

Same thing with a black fret but a whole less more unwanted. Now sitting next to a lamp to see how it deals with a brighter room, the speakers are very visible. The black fret isn't a good choice. Back to red it is.

Chris Townsend:

Same thing with a black fret but a whole less more unwanted. Now sitting next to a lamp to see how it deals with a brighter room, the speakers are very visible. The black fret isn't a good choice. Back to red it is.

Yep, that's annoying - the blue fret is the worst for that (see through speakers). On a morning, when this room fills with sunlight, you can clearly see the speakers under the fret. Strangely, the red fret is better and, of course, the black fret covers any sign of the speakers.

Oddly though, the BV10 frets were far better in this perspective (not as see-through).

Chris - turn on "Cuckoo" on BBC1 HD right now (Tuesday, 11pm). Absolutely stunning on the BV11. No idea why. It's a flawless picture, lots of skin tone, which is rendered perfectly on the BV11. Not a great programme, but just does wonders for the BV11!

Didn't see your post in time. Watching new Star Trek trailer :-)

Just as an update has anyone had audio problems with a PS3 whilst watching 3D. Have tried 2 different PS3's using 2 different discs and the same audio glitches and lip synching problems occur?

The game mode is a joke and they would have done themselves and me a favour by not even bothering. The 10-46 automatically changed over and was superb!

Chris Townsend:

The game mode is a joke and they would have done themselves and me a favour by not even bothering. The 10-46 automatically changed over and was superb!

In what way is it a joke? I've yet to actually play a game on my BV11, even though the PS3 is connected. The BV10-46 (or BV7 for that matter) was fine for gaming. Why is the BV11 any different?

You only get a quarter of the screen! The 10 automatically selected game mode and was excellent. It's dreadful

I've had that happen to me too. But only when I selected Game Mode while in a game. If I do it while in XMB it's fine. But I agree that it's annoying.

If you set the game mode on automatic on for example hdmi 1 no problem at all here since a few months now on the bv11. With game mode is much better response then without for playing games.

No lip sync problems here. Did you test different audio settings in the tv or play station?

Yes I have. Bizarrely I put in a 3D demo disc which has worked perfectly, and then I put back Avatar and it worked for about 30 seconds but this time the sound faded as if it were loosing a radio station! Watching a Jackass type movie it now works fine.

The game mode basically gives me the top left of the screen only.

That aside the movie mode is an improvement and I'm re watching Margin Call as I type. Sound much better as are its various modes.

Brand spanking new 11-46 in black with red fret and motorised stand ordered today.

 

 

If my kids are reading this in the future as an archive and your now all grown up and wandering where your inheritance is, it's in Struer, Denmark.

BV11-55 too large for your home? I started to look at the BV11-46 but the BV11-55 was just another viewing experience. And the sound is a bit fuller on the BV11-55...

Yes too big for my current home, and yes I did look at moving into a bigger one. The 11-55 also starts to get within 7-55 range and I just can't warrant that sort of extra money at the moment.

Congratulations Chris hope you enjoy the tv as I do with my 1140 watched Prometheus the other day and it was out of this world in 3d

Regards

Vince

Chris Townsend:

Yes too big for my current home, and yes I did look at moving into a bigger one. The 11-55 also starts to get within 7-55 range and I just can't warrant that sort of extra money at the moment.

You are so right to get the BV that fits the space as I have often seen huge tv's engulfing a room. i am with you on 11-55 /7-55 price issue.

Enjoy your new BV

Tonker:

Brand spanking new 11-46 in black with red fret and motorised stand ordered today.

Very nice Chris. Congratulation with your new Beovision 11! A very good colour combination. Can we see some pics when it is installed in your livingroom ? Enjoy it!

Thanks so much for sharing your experiences of 11-46.

You've encouraged me (1) to stop lurking on this forum and to register as a member, and (2) to consider ordering an 11-40 or 11-46 myself. I loved your comment about inheritance...

 

Do you happen to know whether the TV's iplayer includes  BBC radio iplayer? I've searched online and can't find any info about this.

 

Andrew

 

I don't know to be honest. The easiest way I find to get radio or music streamed through the TV is by sending it from say a mini iPad straight to Apple TV which is attached on the back of the TV. Apple TV costs about £90.

Gives a lot more freedom to basically send anything to it including pictures, but from an App that is more suited to its host. I didn't think much if the Apps it comes with.

Thanks for these suggestions.

-I'm now wondering whether, if  the TV won't get radio iplayer,  I can send it from my Galaxy SIII which has an iplayer app.

But I never believe anything until I've tried.

It's the hope I can't stand (Michael Frayn/John Cleese..)

 

Andrew

There must be an Android device you can plug in to send media to.

That's the thing about Apple though, even the TV can utilise an IPad as a controller without any set up or fuss. If its on your network, then bosh off you go. Better not spend to long talking about Apple anyway(even though the App is due a significant upgrade in the middle of May cough cough)

ded6ajd:

Do you happen to know whether the TV's iplayer includes  BBC radio iplayer? I

Sadly, no, it does not. Just checked. TV only.

I never use the iPlayer app as, without a HD in the BV11, you can't download content. Easier to use iPlayer catch-up on the Sky box!

Chris Townsend:

There must be an Android device you can plug in to send media to.

You don't need one, same as you don't "need" and Apple TV to stream from iOS.

 

the TV is DLNA compliant, same as the V1.  See below from bv11 tech specs

 

DLNA compatibility	BeoVision 11 works as a DMP (Digital Media Player), which means that it can play content from other DLNA compatible devices, including a BeoSound 5.

 

http://www.ekoob.com/6-android-apps-for-airplay-dlna-11510/

Thanks very much for this info.

But I am now puzzled by a reply I've had from Mikkel Pedersen Customer Service (Denmark), who finally got back to me about the same question after i'd given up on them.

I was told that BV 11 did sport the radio iplayer.

Could you both be right? Could there have been an update of the iplayer even after only a few months?

Andrew (obsessively and apologetically)

 

 

 

Hi Andrew,

I've just taken a look at iPlayer on the bv11 and b&o customer service are correct -  to the bottom left of the main menu you can select between TV and Radio.

 

Hope that helps!

 

sgc

sgc:

I've just taken a look at iPlayer on the bv11 and b&o customer service are correct -  to the bottom left of the main menu you can select between TV and Radio.

Sgc, you're correct, there's a radio 'switch' on the interface which I didn't notice. To be fair, I never use the iPlayer app on the BV11 as it's far easier via Sky (as you can download and store TV programmes for later viewing). So, yes, it appears you can stream radio or listen to previous radio shows, via the BV11.

Shame there's only one single catch-up app though. Feels a bit embarrassing even discussing it. Sky have added Sky, BBC, UTV, Channel 4, Channel 5 and other catch-up apps to Sky boxes. With our BV11/V1s, we're stuck with just the BBC.

Well i eagerly await my 11, BUT yesterday i went into my local Fenwick and saw the LG 4K 85 inch(i think) TV for £20,000. Price aside, even close up this technology is very very impressive. From 20 feet away its still impressive and perfectly suited for enormous screens.

Thanks both to you and moxxey - lots of really helpful people on this forum.

For me, it's a point in favour of BV11. I've a Panasonic device that does radio iplayer - the trouble is that it can't do it while it's recording stuff from freeview onto its hard disk - this is sometimes quite irritating. With the BV11  having its own access I could get round this.

Andrew

Chris Townsend:

Well i eagerly await my 11, BUT yesterday i went into my local Fenwick and saw the LG 4K 85 inch(i think) TV for £20,000. Price aside, even close up this technology is very very impressive. From 20 feet away its still impressive and perfectly suited for enormous screens.

I still think B&O will push on and release updated panels later this year. The advantage of 4K is you get twice as many pixels in the same area, so the picture quality should be much improved (pixel density is higher). I can imagine upscaled 1080p Blu-ray will look impressive on a 4K panel.

At this rate, I'll be upgrading my TV once a year, not once every three years :)

I'm not sure how it will benefit relatively smaller screens ie 46, but yes it's going to get messy trying to play catch up.

moxxey:

I can imagine upscaled 1080p Blu-ray will look impressive on a 4K panel.

Just like your standard definition TV broadcasts look impressive on the full-hd LCD screens.... ?

I don't think so....

In fact, an older Pioneer Plasma does a better Job on this than most LCD from today.

It is interesting to see how an industry improves products step by step.
Rember the first flat Screens (not just BV7-32), the Picture was worse than the CRT Picture!
A side effect will be more bandwith (for online movie rental), too.

Best regards
Ralf

 

PS: For me 4K is interesting as soon as there is enough content on TV (Sky).

kallasr:

Just like your standard definition TV broadcasts look impressive on the full-hd LCD screens.... ?

I don't think so....

I should have remarked that others have seen upscaled Blu-ray's on a 4K screen and said they are very impressive.

You need to remember that Blu-ray has, in many instances, the most flawless image you can find. For this reason, it's not going to quite the same as upscaling a SD TV broadcast. Indeed, I stopped buying Blu-rays at one point, as upscaled SD DVDs looked decent on my BV10-46. Why? As the source material was already of a high quality.

Remember that SD and HD TV broadcasts are heavily compressed. HD via Sky can be mixed at best as Sky has halved the bandwidth for certain HD channels.

Blu-ray HD 1080p images are uncompressed, thus the source is of far better quality before you upscale. It's not the same at all. I wouldn't be surprised if an uncompressed Blu-ray upscaled 1080p picture isn't better or as good compared to a compressed 4K TV broadcast (if Sky can justify the bandwidth for 4K broadcasting).

kallasr:

Just like your standard definition TV broadcasts look impressive on the full-hd LCD screens.... ?

I don't think so....

In fact, an older Pioneer Plasma does a better Job on this than most LCD from today.

It is interesting to see how an industry improves products step by step. Rember the first flat Screens (not just BV7-32), the Picture was worse than the CRT Picture! A side effect will be more bandwith (for online movie rental), too. Best regards Ralf

PS: For me 4K is interesting as soon as there is enough content on TV (Sky).

Beosound 9000 on floor stand, Beo 4 DTV, Beolab 4000, Beolab 5000/Beomaster 5000, Beovox S45.2 with Stands, Beosystem 7000 black, Beolink 1000, F1000 (3 cubes), Beovox 5000 (flat panel), Pioneer AVR VSX-LX60 with Beolab 8000 (Fronts), Beolab 4000 with small brackets (Centers) and Beovox CX100 (Rears - using a Teufel Rearstation 4 for wireless connection) and a KEF PSW2500 active subwoofer.

I like most of the public find plasma ghastly and unpleasant. There are very few I have ever seen that come anywhere close to say a Beovision 7-55.

Chris Townsend:

I like most of the public find plasma ghastly and unpleasant. There are very few I have ever seen that come anywhere close to say a Beovision 7-55.

That's just not true! I know you've continually expressed a preference for LCD but until the BV7-55 took over the roost from Plasma (if indeed it has) then the best picture was always to be found with the latest and best Plasma models (generally Panasonic after Pioneer quit).

The "public" has been led to believe that LCD was better by the manufacturers, primarily because it was cheaper and ever easier to manufacture.

 

Panasonic is now starting wo wind down production of Plasma TV as LCD is now out selling Plasma and is now too costly for them!

To an extent I agree, but the 7-55 has been out for 3 years or so now, an age in the current AV flat panel market.

If it was purely down to picture quality regardless of cost, B&O would be surely awash with Plasma models. It's not. I considered getting a Panasonic Neo Plasma a year or so ago after reading the great reviews. In the show room and with the lights turned down it just didn't deliver(not for me personally)

And the 12-65 ain't a big seller either.

B&O started out by selling plasma only but had to give in to demand for LCD. People wanted LCD's, they'd been told they're the future!

I'm not sure the 7-55 sells by the truckload either!

Anyhoo - an interesting overview HERE on 4K, UltraHD etc. It seems, as ever, that the new generation of 4K TV's are just a stepping stone to somewhere else (which will follow shortly after no doubt). There also seems to be a feeling that an increase in frame rate would give a bigger picture quality improvement than the pixel density increase only. The advice seems to be don't be an early adopter.

Puncher:

That's just not true! I know you've continually expressed a preference for LCD but until the BV7-55 took over the roost from Plasma (if indeed it has) then the best picture was always to be found with the latest and best Plasma models (generally Panasonic after Pioneer quit).

The BV12-65 has, for me at least, the best picture in the range for general viewing. Deep colours, smoother picture (LCDs can be very sharp, which some users prefer) and this really suits watching a movie. However, a plasma picture isn't great for watching sport. It smooths grass for for example. My dealer had the same Wimbledon match running on the BV12-65 next to the BV7-55. The picture was far better on the 7-55, due to the way the plasma rendered the grass.

Sadly for me, I watch a lot of sport.