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Geoff will the Avant or Bv 11 or any of the tv's Sound Engines be up graded to have the new Atmos or Auro 3D sound formats now or in the future?
Hi,
Sorry. But I can only comment on technical aspects of currently-available products and software.
Cheers
-geoff
I think a fair question would be whether the current BeoSystem, 4 as it is, is technically capable of supporting Dolby Atmos or if hardware changes would be necessary for such support.
beojeff:I think a fair question would be whether the current BeoSystem, 4 as it is, is technically capable of supporting Dolby Atmos or if hardware changes would be necessary for such support.
Geoff:
I'd like to take the opportunity to provide some constructive feedback. While I respect that B&O invested a great deal of time and effort in developing the TrueImage Upmixing, I would much rather have seen attention made toward supporting industry standards such as Dolby Atmos. As a consumer, I want a processor that can take advantage of the sound mixing that the studios have done to present the movie as it was intended. There is an increasingly impressive library of films that use Dolby Atmos. B&O's lack of support for this standard has kept me from purchasing a BeoSystem 4.
When BeoSystem 4 was launched there was no decoder available and no content. One would hope that a successor will have these options built-in. The bigger question is how many of consumers will really have all the speakers to support the setup and truly use the format. I suspect for most consumers this is just a check box item in today's electronic product talks. Atmos is cool, but I'm not putting up 14+ speakers unless I have a 30 person theater in my house.
Ah, you know... A little B&O here, a little there
Even if a new BSysX would support Dolby Atmos (and/or DTS:X, Auro3D), I would not be able to buy the needed BeoLabs and - first of all - be able to install these in my/our livingroom.
I wonder how many B&O costumers would?
Maybe....if a dedicated BeoLab 14.10.2 set was presented at a BeoLab 14.4.1 similar price point, it would be afordable for me to have Atmos and co at home.
And maybe.... if I could convince my wife of the benefits of Atmos and co, when watching a movie, I would be allowed to rearrange the livingroom.
I envy you guys with spare money and room for a home theater ;-)))
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
BeoMegaMan: When BeoSystem 4 was launched there was no decoder available and no content. One would hope that a successor will have these options built-in. The bigger question is how many of consumers will really have all the speakers to support the setup and truly use the format. I suspect for most consumers this is just a check box item in today's electronic product talks. Atmos is cool, but I'm not putting up 14+ speakers unless I have a 30 person theater in my house.
We have different viewing needs, and that's okay. Some people are content with just 2 to 3 channels of sound. However, there are those who want a B&O-equipped home theater -- such as myself, having 7 channels and 2 subwoofers with a projector and screen. B&O has used home theaters as a selling point, and that should not be ignored. Part of the magic of B&O has been how it offers the "cinema" button to transform the setup to easily switch from casual viewing needs, such as watching news on tv, to the immersive needs of a home theater for viewing movies. I love my "cinema" button and use it often. With that same one button on the B&O remote we can even dim the lights to create the proper atmosphere for a cinematic experience. To me, this makes B&O truly stand out.
I would hope that constructive advise to B&O would be welcome. While B&O invested a great deal of time in developing its TrueImage Upmixing (which is clearly anticipating the needs for multiple channels of speakers), they should not rest on that technology and neglect the audio formats that are being adopted by the studios to create their intended use of multiple speaker channels.
Millemissen: Maybe....if a dedicated BeoLab 14.10.2 set was presented at a BeoLab 14.4.1 similar price point, it would be afordable for me to have Atmos and co at home. I envy you guys with spare money and room for a home theater ;-))) MM
I had an opportunity recently to buy a BeoLab 14 2.1 system which will be added to my BeoLab 14 5.1system. While it was more than a BeoPlay S8, I *think* I got a pretty good deal! I found out that I can buy the satellites separate from my dealer so I am considering buying an additional 3 satellites and wiring. It's intriguing to consider what I can do with a 10.2 system. I have the BeoSystem 4, but I probably wouldn't be able to get a BeoSystem 5 for quite a while, so I hope that TrueImage will be pretty good for me. I don't have a very large livingroom so that is why I think 10.2 will be interesting! It will be:
F Left - F Center - F Right
F Left Height - Front Right Height (ceiling mounted)
Side Left - Side Right (ceiling mounted)
R Left - R Center - R Right
Left Sub - Right Sub
And for music, I am hoping that my front Height speakers will blend in nicely with my floor stand speakers when I have them as normal Fronts.
@Mark-N
Even if it is not directly Atmos related, please tell us more, when you get things set up.
If you don't already know this Geoff Martin article, it might be worth studying it.
http://www.tonmeister.ca/wordpress/2013/12/06/bo-tech-trueimage-upmixing/
beojeff: I would hope that constructive advise to B&O would be welcome. While B&O invested a great deal of time in developing its TrueImage Upmixing (which is clearly anticipating the needs for multiple channels of speakers), they should not rest on that technology and neglect the audio formats that are being adopted by the studios to create their intended use of multiple speaker channels.
The TrueImage Upmixer is - as the title says - an upmixer (and a downmixer), which is something else than a sound format like Dolby Atmos - or DTS:X or Auro3D for that matter. These are streams, that are encoded using dedicated/proprietary encoding schemes. All you need to play back these is the decoder/s (and a bit of horsepower).
The process of decoding would have to take place in a receiver/prepro (with a B&O tv in the video/audio engine), since the decoder has to know your speakers constellation (means: can not take place in an external player).
It is indeed an interesting question, whether (or maybe: when) B&O will want/will have to implement this/these decoder/s in their video/audio engine - current or next version.
But this does not affect the functionality of the TrueImage Upmixer and is not something, that could or should replace it. These are two different breeds.
Millemissen: beojeff: I would hope that constructive advise to B&O would be welcome. While B&O invested a great deal of time in developing its TrueImage Upmixing (which is clearly anticipating the needs for multiple channels of speakers), they should not rest on that technology and neglect the audio formats that are being adopted by the studios to create their intended use of multiple speaker channels. The TrueImage Upmixer is - as the title says - an upmixer (and a downmixer), which is something else than a sound format like Dolby Atmos - or DTS:X or Auro3D for that matter. These are streams, that are encoded using dedicated/proprietary encoding schemes. All you need to play back these is the decoder/s (and a bit of horsepower). The process of decoding would have to take place in a receiver/prepro (with a B&O tv in the video/audio engine), since the decoder has to know your speakers constellation (means: can not take place in an external player). It is indeed an interesting question, whether (or maybe: when) B&O will want/will have to implement this/these decoder/s in their video/audio engine - current or next version. But this does not affect the functionality of the TrueImage Upmixer and is not something, that could or should replace it. These are two different breeds. MM
I completely agree with you. Yet, it is on the Beointegration website where B&O suggests TrueImage as an alternative solution for Dolby Atmos.... Thus, the need to bring this issue to B&O's attention.
beojeff: I completely agree with you. Yet, it is on the Beointegration website where B&O suggests TrueImage as an alternative solution for Dolby Atmos.... Thus, the need to bring this issue to B&O's attention.
Marketing guys aren't always as 'correct', as we could wish for!