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Extend range of Beosound transmitter

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johnbrks
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johnbrks Posted: Mon, Jun 27 2016 2:46 AM

i got a beolab transmitter so i could have speakers in a different room.  however, it seems that it the signal strength is insufficient as it drops out when i move the speakers into the room.  it is only about 40 ft.  does anyone happen to know of a way to increase the WISA signal strength?  a network expander is not the correct bandwidth.

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kallasr replied on Mon, Jun 27 2016 5:46 AM
johnbrks:

i got a beosound transmitter so i could have speakers in a different room.

I think the transmitter is not designed for this. Same room - almost "viewing signal path" - for example for rear speakers. We are using a transmitter plus two receivers appr. 30 ft. apart.

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johnbrks replied on Mon, Jun 27 2016 5:51 AM

thanks.  so one must wire the room to get multi-room sound wirelessly?

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kallasr replied on Mon, Jun 27 2016 6:05 AM
Beolab transmitter is not for multiroom sound. Just saw you wrote beosound transmitter (I never heard of this). Sorry.

Living Room: Beosystem 4, Beolab 7-2 (Center), Beolab 9 (Fronts), Beolab 8000 (Rears), no Subwoofer. Screen: Sony KD-85XH9096
Dining Room: Beosound Essence MK II with Beolab 4000 on stands, fed by Amazon Echo Show 8
Home Cinema: Beosystem 4, Beolab 7-4 (Center), Beolab 1 (Fronts), Beolab 4000 (Rears). Projector: Sony VPL-HW55
Home Office: Beosystem 3, Beolab 7-4, Beolab 5000, Screen: Sony KD-55XH9005 on Beovision 7-40 stand, ML to Beosound 9000 MK3 and Beosound 5/Beomaster 5 (1 TB SSD version)
Bedroom: Sony KD-65XH9077, Beosound Essence MK II with Beolab 6002 and Beolab 11 (all white, wall-mounted)

In storage: Beolab 5000/Beomaster 5000 (1960s). 

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johnbrks replied on Mon, Jun 27 2016 6:07 AM

sorry.  meant beolab.  so it means each room must be wired in order to get wireless sound?  the b&o website illustrates the wireless sound differently and talks about having sound in different rooms.  perhaps they neglected mention of the need to wire a transmitter in room?

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kallasr replied on Mon, Jun 27 2016 7:51 AM

You got me confused...

Beolab transmitter is not for multi-room sound.
It is just for getting you sound to your wireless speakers (or to Beolab receiver + non-wireless Beolab speakers).

Please show the link talking about Beolab transmitter AND sound in different roosm.

Ralf

Living Room: Beosystem 4, Beolab 7-2 (Center), Beolab 9 (Fronts), Beolab 8000 (Rears), no Subwoofer. Screen: Sony KD-85XH9096
Dining Room: Beosound Essence MK II with Beolab 4000 on stands, fed by Amazon Echo Show 8
Home Cinema: Beosystem 4, Beolab 7-4 (Center), Beolab 1 (Fronts), Beolab 4000 (Rears). Projector: Sony VPL-HW55
Home Office: Beosystem 3, Beolab 7-4, Beolab 5000, Screen: Sony KD-55XH9005 on Beovision 7-40 stand, ML to Beosound 9000 MK3 and Beosound 5/Beomaster 5 (1 TB SSD version)
Bedroom: Sony KD-65XH9077, Beosound Essence MK II with Beolab 6002 and Beolab 11 (all white, wall-mounted)

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johnbrks replied on Mon, Jun 27 2016 8:17 AM

For example, on the beosound essence page (http://www.bang-olufsen.com/en/sound/sound-systems/beosound-essence) the statement is made that the essence is ready for Beolink multi room. Granted Beolink multi room is never really defined, but the page says 'BeoSound Essence is an integrated component in the BeoLink Multiroom experience. Play different music in different rooms or let the same music flow throughout your home. Control the flow simply by touching your BeoSound Essence.'. Now, as nearly as I can tell the essence is a remote that connects to a receiver via Bluetooth. There is no mention of how one gets sound going to different rooms. 

finally, this page seems to imply it is wireless. http://www.bang-olufsen.com/en/beolink-multiroom  True, the page is devoid of specifics, but it is unclear how one would connect a beosound moment to speakers in another room using wires.

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elephant replied on Mon, Jun 27 2016 4:55 PM
Essence supports wired speakers or a wired transmitter.

The Essence works like the old ML passive or active controllers and their wired speakers.

Controllers, like the Essence, talk to other controllers to join their various sources together.

The Essence uses IR and/or Bluetooth for its remotes; wireless or wired Ethernet for its communications with other controllers, and wireless for sources like AirPlay.

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johnbrks:

For example, on the beosound essence page (http://www.bang-olufsen.com/en/sound/sound-systems/beosound-essence) the statement is made that the essence is ready for Beolink multi room. Granted Beolink multi room is never really defined, but the page says ' BeoSound Essence is an integrated component in the BeoLink Multiroom experience. Play different music in different rooms or let the same music flow throughout your home. Control the flow simply by touching your BeoSound Essence.'. Now, as nearly as I can tell the essence is a remote that connects to a receiver via Bluetooth. There is no mention of how one gets sound going to different rooms.

finally, this page seems to imply it is wireless. http://www.bang-olufsen.com/en/beolink-multiroom True, the page is devoid of specifics, but it is unclear how one would connect a beosound moment to speakers in another room using wires.

Hi there, Multiroom is referring to if you have multiple products then they can be used to get sound in different rooms. Not just speakers in different rooms unfortunate (I.e. An essence with speakers in each room)

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The notion of wireless is generally around a transmitter and a receiver.

The BS Essence is unfortunately not a transmitter. It can play music in a NL set up where speakers are directly connected to the essence. To make the essence wireless you need a transmitter.

The essence and transmitter are separate products.

You can use the transmitter with a variety of different products besides an essence. Eg a television.

In the above situation you have 2 main options. Firstly you can connect to speakers that have built in receivers (eg any WISA enabled speakers) or speakers where you connect a "Receiver 1" to.

I use receiver 1 in a separate room and it works with my avant. So if you were wanting to extend the range what I would try is if your dealer has a receiver 1 to lend you and trial out.

It would also make sense for the essence to have a built in transmitter as well. But there are 2 technologies at play here; mutilroom (NL setup) and WISA for (generally) same room.

Hope this helps.

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johnbrks replied on Wed, Jun 29 2016 7:30 AM

Thanks. That's helpful. I guess I don't fully understand b&o's setup. I have a Samsung tv, a receiver, a beosound moment, and transmitter 1 with Beolab 18’s in my den. That works fine. I got 2 wireless receivers for my Beolab 3’s and want them in the living room. I'd like to play music from the moment in the living room as a separate zone. I'd like to keep the lab 3 speakers but The transmitter 1 doesn't reach to the living room (though it should by distance). I'm not clear how to do this.

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elephant replied on Wed, Jun 29 2016 1:57 PM
johnbrks:

Thanks. That's helpful. I guess I don't fully understand b&o's setup. I have a Samsung tv, a receiver, a beosound moment, and transmitter 1 with Beolab 18’s in my den. That works fine. I got 2 wireless receivers for my Beolab 3’s and want them in the living room. I'd like to play music from the moment in the living room as a separate zone. I'd like to keep the lab 3 speakers but The transmitter 1 doesn't reach to the living room (though it should by distance). I'm not clear how to do this.

You may not like this answer:

1. Buy an Essence for the living room

2. Ideally connect it via Ethernet to the network the Moment is on; wi-fi is an option

3. Ideally wire the BL3s to Essence; ask for a refund on the two Receivers

4. If you absolutely don't want speaker wires in the living room then buy another Transmitter and wire it to the Essence and configure the Receivers to talk to it

I understand your assumptions about how it might have worked and I hope no one in B&O advised you !

There is a vague hope (since I have never played with the Transmitter and Receivers) that you might deceive the system by using one Transmitter channel to talk to a Receiver in one room, and using PL wires daisy chain those two speakers. And then using the other stereo channel talk to the second room and it's daisy chain wired two speakers.

If such a Heath Robertson approach worked there would be no guarantee that it could survive firmware updates.

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