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Hi Everyone,
Need some help, I brought the new MI-4 Ghost Protocol BD over the weekend and it seems all other languages works with Dolby 5.1, except the English Channel which is the TrueHD 7.1 doesn't work on my BV7-55 MK2. There is picture but choking and no sound. I am in the midst of getting service up and upgrading my software for the TV. Anyone has the same issue?
Cheers
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I don't believe Beosystem 3 can decode TrueHD.
Specs:
http://www.bang-olufsen.com/specifications?productid=135
So even with SW update, it won't help? Will B&O have a "fix" for this?
Davidson: So even with SW update, it won't help? Will B&O have a "fix" for this?
No, it's not a SW issue. We've discussed this many times in the past. Lots of people on here go on about how great the Beosystem 3 is at producing a great picture - it is - but it has its flaws. One of these is an inability to decode True HD, which is now the default audio format on a Blu-ray movie. I've argued in the past that this makes Blu-ray playback on an expensive Beosystem 3 TV (BV7-55 and BV12 are two good examples) as a bit pointless as half the reason for buying a Blu-ray is the uncompressed audio track.
People on here complain about negativity, but i'd be non-plussed and a bit disappointed if I bought a £15,000 B&O "top of the range" TV and found it couldn't even decode the default audio format on a Blu-ray disc. And, as I said above, it's not a recent issue. We discussed this about a year ago. You would have thought B&O would have upgraded the BS3 to support this format between now and then.
Without the uncompressed audio, you might as well rent or buy a 1080p movie from iTunes or similar. Why? You get a Blu-ray competing picture, but fairly similar audio. No point wasting your money on Blu-rays when you can't decode the audio track and are left with Dolby Digital. I stopped buying Blu-rays for that reason. They can cost £17 a disc, even discounted from Amazon.
Anyway, no, it can't be fixed. Decoding True HD isn't software-based. It needs support in the hardware.
...so what are we buying from B&O now a days......and why we pay top $$$$ for. Disappointed...but...
Thanks Moxxey!
I think that the blueray player in MK1 (which I have) can decode Dolby TrueHD, but not DTS-MA. The player in MK2 can also decode DTS-MA.
And I think the players must have very good decoders, nothing else makes sense for me, since the BS3 system cant decode HD.
And I agree, people would expect that one of the worlds most expensive TV's should be able to decode at least Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA.
beolion: And I agree, people would expect that one of the worlds most expensive TV's should be able to decode at least Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA.
Maybe my rant above was a bit OTT. I'm in a bad mood today :)
But, yeah, I was annoyed having bought the Blu-ray add-on for my BV7-40 MKIV - which added nearly a £1000 to the cost - to find that it wouldn't decode the audio standard which is now present on nearly every Blu-ray (I can't remember if it's TrueHD or DTS-MA though, to be honest). I stopped buying Blu-rays at the end of 2011 as the audio standard wasn't supported on my Blu-ray BV7. Frustrating.
Would be interested to know if the MKII now decodes both TrueHD and DTS-MA. I was always told it was a Beosystem 3 issue and not the player itself as the player is simply linked to the BV7 via a HDMI cable! There's no decoding done on the player.
Style:If you are using a bluray player like oppo bdp 95 it decodes tru hd and sends it as lpcm so then it is not a problem
But he like me spent the extra cash getting a Blu-ray drive with their BV7, thinking it would support all standards. No-one at B&O/dealership advised otherwise :) We shouldn't have to then go out and buy an additional Blu-ray player simply to do something that the BV7 can understand (convert to PCM).
I have a BV7-55 without the built in BluRay and use an Oppo, but don't the specifications from the B and O web page specifically list True HD7.1 under Supported Audio Decoding Formats? This would match what Beolion posted "I think that the blueray player in MK1 (which I have) can decode Dolby TrueHD, but not DTS-MA. The player in MK2 can also decode DTS-MA."
SUPPORTED AUDIO DECODING FORMATS (FROM DISC) Dolby Digital 5.1/EX 6.1/EX 7.1/Dolby Digital Plus 7.1/True HD 7.1., DTS MA7.1DTS 5.1/ES 6.1MPEG audio L1, L2LPCM, 7.1ch multi-channel PCM
Dolby Digital 5.1/EX 6.1/EX 7.1/Dolby Digital Plus 7.1/True HD 7.1., DTS MA7.1DTS 5.1/ES 6.1MPEG audio L1, L2LPCM, 7.1ch multi-channel PCM
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Razlaw: I have a BV7-55 without the built in BluRay and use an Oppo, but don't the specifications from the B and O web page specifically list True HD7.1 under Supported Audio Decoding Formats? This would match what Beolion posted "I think that the blueray player in MK1 (which I have) can decode Dolby TrueHD, but not DTS-MA. The player in MK2 can also decode DTS-MA."
Yes, that would seem to be the case. Perhaps they changed the mechanism when they upgraded the TV with a 3D panel and, as a result, the upgrade also supported both True HD and DTS-MA? Still annoyed I parted with an extra £1000 with my BV7-40 purchase, to get internal Blu-ray and it wasn't supported but, in hindsight, an external Blu-ray player was likely to be a wiser idea (so perhaps I'm more angry with myself than B&O!).
One thing I need to do is rip some of my Blu-rays to my NAS drive.
If your blu ray with decode Dolby TRu HD 7.1 and output into LPCM 7.1, then I think an updated BS3 will deliver the 7.1 surround with appropriate speakers attached.
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You are right Rauber, I just check the specs too on the web: http://www.bang-olufsen.com/specifications?productid=746
The service just did a sw upgrade only on the DVD/BD, it didn't work. So they will come back and do one for the TV later. Not sure, as Moxxey mention is not SW but HW....
Thanks
Hi Davidson,
I have the new BV 7-40 3D, but I can´t check TrueHD sound because I have no Bluray/DVD with TrueHD (only Dolby Digital and DTS).
But please try another audio format in the settings (Re-encode or Bitstream instead of Standard). To change this setting press MENU on Beo4, but WITHOUT Bluray or DVD in the tray.
Regards
Räuber
I believe beosystem 3 can't decode dts hd either . Looks like it desperately needs an upgrade.
I was going to get the bv7 40 3d , but now I'm leaning towards the bv10 and using other gear to do the playback.
I don`t think the BS3 will be able to decode multichannel HD formats. In the BV7 the first built in BD player could decode DD True HD, the newer one can decode DD True HD and DTS HD. The BS3 can receive and play decoded (from source) multicannel HD formats as multichannel PCM.
I have a 150 Euro BD player that decodes all HD formats and my BV7 gets a multichannel PCM audio.This only works via HDMI, so no need for spdif connection.
For decoding HD formats in the Beovision we have to wait for the new video engine, which was just introduced in the new V1, I`m afraid.
Beo, correct me please, if I`m wrong.
Stefan
stefan: For decoding HD formats in the Beovision we have to wait for the new video engine, which was just introduced in the new V1, I`m afraid.
Am I the only person who thinks that is incredibly crazy? Sorry BV7-40 MKV (non-3D) Blu-ray users, but the V1 supports more formats than your recent £11K TV! No wonder users despair at times.
So , moxxey , does that really mean you can't play an off the shelf blu ray through your top of the range tv ?
Seems utterly ridiculous to me.!
I still think that you must let the player decode the HD signals and send multichannel PCM to BS3.
I have a BV7-55 MK1 with BR, and I just started Transformers 3. I selected DD TrueHD as audio, and in the TV it says:Inputformat: PCM 7.1Outputformat: Multichannel Speaker 5
I think the main thing for the BS3 (now) is to be able to decode DD for i.e. HD TV signals. Here is where we still need the BS3 to make decoding, The new V1 does not support that much (yet) regarding decoding formats. And I am not sure it ever will.
Flappo: So , moxxey , does that really mean you can't play an off the shelf blu ray through your top of the range tv ?
No, the other way around. If the player does the decoding and sends the audio as LPCM, then, yes, you can (clearly B&O has upgraded the internal player since the 3D launch). However, what I mean is, anyone who bought a BV7-40 MKV (before the 3D version), with Blu-ray, can't decode certain HD audio formats from the *internal* Blu-ray player which cost an extra £1000.
Shames me to say it, but Razlaw was correct to say that his external Blu-ray player does all the decoding for the BV7. So that works, whichever BV7 you own.
No-one at B&O warned customers of the issue when they sold them the internal Blu-ray player. Under UK law, you could probably claim you've been misled under the trade descriptions act :)*
*note for certain American users, there's a smiley there for a reason.
In America everything i possible. If I remember correct, then B&O had problems to find a drive in that has a very good quality (i.e. the components used) AND that could fit into the TV. In other words, for MK1, where the drive can not decode DTS-MA, I think this was a trade off.
For the MK2, where the drive can decode DTS-MA also, if you look close, then the drive does not fit as well as in MK1, it seems that the TV Frame is bigger now. The drive and the frame does not have the same height anymore.
Hi
Some updates to my problem, the tech guys helped upgrade my TV software to something like 11.47 and the dvd software, but it didn't work. So i am still stuck.
Just the past weekend I took my trouble MI-4 bluray disc to the dealer and it played on there 7-55. So i was wondering if a mark3 version has come out or is this still a software version fix or I should forget about this codec for HD 7.1 sound.
Davidson
Hi Raeuber,
Other languages works because English is the only one with Dolby True HD 7.1 for Mission Impossible 4.
So the 7-55 3D came about a year ago. Does anybode know if a Mk3 version is in the works with updated BS3 for TrueHD as discussed above and Beonet compatible?
Maybe a silly question but would you hear a difference if you were just playing through a BL 7-2?
Finally, its Fixed.
It turns out it was the whole DVD/BD module that had to be replaced.
Yes Rauber,
They change the decoding module first, but it wasn't that, so they thought the last thing is the DVD/DB module, so they order a new one and replaced it and its fine.