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BeoSystem 3 vs BeoSystem 4

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Sjock601 Posted: Tue, Feb 7 2017 8:17 PM

I have a BeoSystem 3 running a BeoVision 11 with a pair of BeoLab 5's as front speakers and a pair of BeoLab 9's  as rear speakers.  The BeoLab 5 speakers have a direct digital feed from the BeoSound 5. I also have ML throughout the remainder of the house.  In one other room in the house,  I have a BeoSound 9000 MK1 CD player which I am unable to use because, (as I understand it), you cannot have 2 Masters on the same ML system.  Would installation of a BeoSystem 4 combined with the BeoLink NL/ML Converter help with this issue?  Could I also expect better sound and better picture?  The other aggravating issue for me here is;  in the room with the BeoSound 5, BeoLab 5's, BeoLab 9's and the BeoVision 11, when listening to just the BeSound 5, the screen on the BeoVision 11 has to turn on which for me takes away from some of the ambience to sit there listening to just music looking at a dully lit plasma screen.  Also, when using the volume control on the BeoSound 5, the full blue line always lights up no matter where the volume is set. Would installation of the BeoSystem 4 also help with solveing these issues too??  I would also like to install the gateway to allow for use of iPad and iPhone as remotes.  I would sincerely appreciate any thoughts anyone might have.   Thanks!

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Why is beosystem 3 running your BV11 ?- is has beosys 4 build in ! At least I Europe that is.

if you move to beosystem 4, you will loose the CD command, that opens the spdif on your BL5 !!!

imo, the build quality of the Beosys 3 is superior to that of beosys 4. Better components that is. 

I have a similar setup, just with BV12-65, and had the same thought. But due to the missing Spdif on BL5, I dropped it.

Peter

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Sjock601 replied on Tue, Feb 7 2017 10:01 PM

Thanks! Peter,

       You are correct, please excuse my ignorance!  I have the BeoVision 12 - 65 plasma.  Just thought adding the BeoSystem 4 would help with adding the BeoSound  9000 to the ML system.  I really dislike having such a nice piece of electronics sitting around on display but not working.  I also have a BeoCord 8000 and BeoGram 4002 player that I would love integrated in the same ML system.  Yes, that has always been one of my major reasons for not upgrading.  I would lose the digital feed for the BeoLab 5's. I constantly ask myself if I'm ready to give that up?  Just glad to know that someone else is experiencing these same frustrations.  Thanks for helping me understand that I am not alone and not crazy.  Any ideas or fixes for the BeoSound 9000 issue and other components?  Also will adding the Gateway allow me to integrate my B&O Lutron light controls as well as other network products?

 

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Since your BS9000 is a MK1, you'd need to have it upgrated (if possible).

The later versions could be set to Option 6 for link room mode.

Have a look at this old thread for inspiration:

http://archivedarchivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/t/34580.aspx

As for the possibility of connecting your BL5 via SPDIF - it is your choice.

I'd have no problem with connecting my BL5's (if I had any) using PL.

That the BSys should be superiour to the BSys4 is imo a myth - created from those who haven't experienced the possibilities of the new audio engine (yet).

As for changes on the ML-side - ML stays ML even if you integrate with NL using the BeoLink Converter.

Did you know that you can use multiple (NL/ML) BeoLink Converters - one for each ML product - in a setup.

As for tour question aabout the use of Lutron and the BeoLink Gateway - best make a seperate thread about this.

There are some guys on the forum, who are pretty clever with these things.

MM

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Sjock601 replied on Tue, Feb 7 2017 10:45 PM

Thanks! Peter, 

      Please excuse my ignorance!  You are correct. I have the BeoVision 12 - 65 plasma.  Same as you do.  I constantly struggle with the idea:  Is sacrificeing the digital feed to the BeoLab 5's worth the other potential benefits?  Nice to know that I am not alone with this frustration, wanting something that is unreasonable that no one else wants.  Wonder if waiting for a " BeoSystem 5, " is anything to look forward to with help in this regards.  Think I will keep the BeoSystem 3 for now.  Just looking for a way to incorporate the BeoSound 9000 into the same ML system.  I also have a BeoCord 8000 and a BeoGram 4002 that I would love to include on the same ML too. Really dislike have such nice pieces of electronics that sit around on display but don't work.  Do you have any other additional suggestions that might help with resolving this issue?  Also would adding a BeoGateway allow me to operate the B&O Lutron light controls as well as other network integrated products from the iPad and iPhone B&O app?

 

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Sjock601 replied on Tue, Feb 7 2017 10:45 PM

Thanks! Peter, 

      Please excuse my ignorance!  You are correct. I have the BeoVision 12 - 65 plasma.  Same as you do.  I constantly struggle with the idea:  Is sacrificeing the digital feed to the BeoLab 5's worth the other potential benefits?  Nice to know that I am not alone with this frustration, wanting something that is unreasonable that no one else wants.  Wonder if waiting for a " BeoSystem 5, " is anything to look forward to with help in this regards.  Think I will keep the BeoSystem 3 for now.  Just looking for a way to incorporate the BeoSound 9000 into the same ML system.  I also have a BeoCord 8000 and a BeoGram 4002 that I would love to include on the same ML too. Really dislike have such nice pieces of electronics that sit around on display but don't work.  Do you have any other additional suggestions that might help with resolving this issue?  Also would adding a BeoGateway allow me to operate the B&O Lutron light controls as well as other network integrated products from the iPad and iPhone B&O app?

 

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beojeff replied on Wed, Feb 8 2017 12:34 AM

Edward A Wortham Jr:

Thanks! Peter, 

      Please excuse my ignorance!  You are correct. I have the BeoVision 12 - 65 plasma.  Same as you do.  I constantly struggle with the idea:  Is sacrificeing the digital feed to the BeoLab 5's worth the other potential benefits?  Nice to know that I am not alone with this frustration, wanting something that is unreasonable that no one else wants.  Wonder if waiting for a " BeoSystem 5, " is anything to look forward to with help in this regards.  Think I will keep the BeoSystem 3 for now.  Just looking for a way to incorporate the BeoSound 9000 into the same ML system.  I also have a BeoCord 8000 and a BeoGram 4002 that I would love to include on the same ML too. Really dislike have such nice pieces of electronics that sit around on display but don't work.  Do you have any other additional suggestions that might help with resolving this issue?  Also would adding a BeoGateway allow me to operate the B&O Lutron light controls as well as other network integrated products from the iPad and iPhone B&O app?

 

I agree with you that the upgrade to a BeoSystem 4 from a BeoSystem 3 just cannot be justified right now. The technology of the BeoSystem 4 is just too lagging. It's time for an updated BeoSystem with UHD and Dolby Atmos support -- if that ever comes. That will be my next upgrade.

You will love the BLGW. It's perfect for your situation. Yes, you can control your Lutron system with the app. HOWEVER, even more interesting is to think in the REVERSE. You can use those Lutron button keypads to control your B&O system! For example, I have a tabletop keypad with engraved buttons to turn on the TV, turn OFF the system, turn on and tune the tv to NEWS, trigger CINEMA mode, and ... my favorite and most used button... PAUSE. You can very easily create some pretty amazing macros to fit your needs. Also, you can seamlessly integrate Philips Hue lights to be controlled along with you Lutron lights. You can get an inexpensive $100 Lutron module to switch on and off switched devices. For example, you can use it to turn on/off your Christmas tree lights. Least we forget, you can also add an Amazon Echo to have voice control over everything.

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beojeff replied on Wed, Feb 8 2017 12:39 AM

Edward,

PM me anytime you need help with your home automation. We have similar systems. Welcome to BeoWorld!

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beojeff replied on Wed, Feb 8 2017 12:40 AM

Edward,

PM me anytime you need help with your home automation. We have similar systems. Welcome to BeoWorld!

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Thanks,  for all your help!  I will definitely keep you in mind.  

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beojeff:

Edward,

PM me anytime you need help with your home automation. We have similar systems. Welcome to BeoWorld!

Would be nice to have these Q's and A's from/to Beoworlders on the forum too.

Maybe it is time for a dedicated BLGW subforum?

MM

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Hey Beojeff,

          With the current setups that we both have, I.e. BeoVision 12 - 65, BeoSound 5, and BeoLab 5's, when playing music from the BeoSound 5 in that room, does your BeoVision have to turn on and show a "back lit" screen and the blue light volume control indicator on the BeoSound five completely lights up instead of showing a progressive blue increase or decrease indication of the volume?  (Hope that I am makeing myself clear here?). Do you know if there is a fix for this problem?  I thought a while back that there was? And yes, THANK YOU! so much for all your help.  A sub forum for the BLGW would be nice.  

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TWG replied on Thu, Feb 9 2017 6:57 AM

The behaviour of the Beomaster 5 is not a problem! It's normal when you have configured it as a slave system. Volume control is done through BS3 / Beovision 11 or whereever your speakers are connected to. The volume control of the Beomaster 5 is disabled when it's set to slave in a ML-Network.

We should have a MLGW AND BLGW subforum :-)

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Hi Edward

I think you would be very happy with MLGW. I've bought a second hand unit, and also a ML/NL converter.

I feel that the combo, with my BS3, is up to date. The `BeoLink app, provides easy browsing in the BS5 library. The ML/NL converter links all the new NL products to the old Masterlink. Work really well. 

Peter

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beojeff replied on Thu, Feb 9 2017 12:44 PM

gysse2004:

Hi Edward

I think you would be very happy with MLGW. I've bought a second hand unit, and also a ML/NL converter.

I feel that the combo, with my BS3, is up to date. The `BeoLink app, provides easy browsing in the BS5 library. The ML/NL converter links all the new NL products to the old Masterlink. Work really well. 

Peter

I agree with Peter that a MLGW could be very sufficient your needs, Edward.. If you're not interested in integrating Philips Hue or Amazon Echo or a menu overlay control on a BeoVision, the MLGW works well with integrating Lutron. I've had both MLGW and BLGW. I actually prefer the way that the MLGW handles the programing for Lutron. It seems more logical and organized. Sadly, though, if you would ever want to move from MLGW to BLGW, the configuration cannot be migrated You would have to start from scratch programming the BLGW.

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TWG replied on Fri, Feb 10 2017 12:56 PM

Please note, that you can control Philips HUE with the MLGW, too!
The configuration on the BLGW is easier as it knows Philips HUE from the factory, but the MLGW does everything you need with HUE.

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