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Hello guys new to the forum
I have a Beosound 9000 which has been sitting there for the past 2 years and decided to start using it again. However I found that I put the CD in a slot, I could select the player to move to and mount. When I press play the CD will only move about 5 to 6mm and the display would only read the CD Number and 00:00.
After looking through the internet I found that it is a common problem that the lasers fail so I have now replaced it but it is still exactly the same.
Any ideas about what else I could try?
I think the laser is not the problem, the complete cd-drive needs to be replaced
Ingo
BeoVision Eclipse 55“ wallmounted, BeoRemote One BT; BeoSound 9000(ex-weiss), BeoLab 9; BeoLab 8000 rot; Beosound 1 grün; BeoPlay H6; Beo4
Ingo: I think the laser is not the problem, the complete cd-drive needs to be replaced Ingo
I agree. You need to obtain the correct CD mechanism kit for your particular model from your B&O dealer. Worked every time for me!
Regards Graham
There's the laser diode, the laser suspension (which goes out a lot on the VAM1250) and what B&O call the "turntable motor". All of these are points of failure so it all comes as a kit.
Thanks for the replies, I have only just seen this now as I didn't get an email notification for some reason. I have been trying to source the CD mechanism from the internet rather than straight to B&O but having no luck.
Can anyone point me in the right direction?
Thanks in advance.
Your only option is direct from B&O as they are not a standard Philips part. They were produced specifically for B&O and the kit you want will depend on your model and serial number.
Try your local service centre.
Just to let you know I have the same problem. I had not used my 9000 for about 3 years. CD 5 doesn't play at all and the others play when they feel like it. The system is quite noisy as well. I spoke to the service agent. He explained that the lasers have a life of anywhere between 3 and 5 years and not using the system has the same wear and tear as using the system.
You may need to replace the laser system or CD drive (not sure of the correct terms) as suggested on the other posts. In Australia this costs about $500
Hope this helps
Hello all
I just bought through eBay Beosound 9000 MK1.I have to say that the seller failed to disclose that a lot of things that were wrong.Among other things, cd player does not work.It is placed in the rightmost position.I can not put on the CD, and when I press the play appears CD1 and 00:00After a few seconds, pause.Original mechanism VAM 1205.As I researched the possible change in the mechanism of laser-laser meanizem 12.04 and CDM12.10 because the name of the same motor as 1205.VAM 1205 laser processor has also TDA1302T as CDM 12.4VAM 1205 has the same brusless motor as the CDM 12.10
Please advise.
I am not in position to pay 300€ for new upgrade...realy to much topay!! :(
eBay = cheap 😂😂😂
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
works or not ?
anyone done it? ..with ebay CDM ..
conlie: Just to let you know I have the same problem. I had not used my 9000 for about 3 years. CD 5 doesn't play at all and the others play when they feel like it. The system is quite noisy as well. I spoke to the service agent. He explained that the lasers have a life of anywhere between 3 and 5 years and not using the system has the same wear and tear as using the system.
Is this really true, what a piece of sh*t if that's so... I have not got that impression of the Beosound 9000 though...
My B&O products: Beosound 9000, Beosound 2300, Beosound Century, Beolab 8000, Beolab 6000, Beolab 4000 x2, Beolab 3500, Beolab 2000, Beolab 10, Beolink Active x2, Beotime, Beo5 x2, Beo4, A9 keyring x2, LC2 dimmer x6 and growing....
Right, the laser that waits in stock for you, is wearing and tearing as we speak...
so..
one more time ..plase let me know if anyone solve problem with aftermarket CDM on Ebay?
I know B&O is a complex device but it is not NASA device.
Please help...realy want to repair my BS 9000 MK1
Can't belive that you have no experiance with repairing low budget way.
LewHand: Can anyone point me in the right direction?
a good (re)seller on german ebay has one for sale: LINK
EDIT: Sorry, just MKII/MKIII, just noticed you got a MKI..
Ralf
Living Room: Beosystem 4, Beolab 7-2 (Center), Beolab 9 (Fronts), Beolab 8000 (Rears), no Subwoofer. Screen: Sony KD-85XH9096Dining Room: Beosound Essence MK II with Beolab 4000 on stands, fed by Amazon Echo Show 8Home Cinema: Beosystem 4, Beolab 7-4 (Center), Beolab 1 (Fronts), Beolab 4000 (Rears). Projector: Sony VPL-HW55Home Office: Beosystem 3, Beolab 7-4, Beolab 5000, Screen: Sony KD-55XH9005 on Beovision 7-40 stand, ML to Beosound 9000 MK3 and Beosound 5/Beomaster 5 (1 TB SSD version)Bedroom: Sony KD-65XH9077, Beosound Essence MK II with Beolab 6002 and Beolab 11 (all white, wall-mounted)
In storage: Beolab 5000/Beomaster 5000 (1960s).
One more time........it can't be done on the cheap. Your only option is to buy a kit specific to your 9000's serial number direct from B&O service.
If you don't want to pay you should not have bought a BS9000 as they have had this problem since day one.
Sorry to be so blunt.
Hi:
I have successfully repaired my BeoSound 9000 Mk II with an eBay sourced CDM12.4 laser at about $15.00 USD. I never wrote a complete DIY about it but some of the detail was presented in my BeoSound 9000 MK III / VAM1250 focused blog post:
http://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/t/6067.aspx
I'm a bit short on time at the present but can tell you that if you have a failed BS Mk II, you must purchase your eBay sourced CDM12.4 from the right seller. I believe that the one that worked for me was purchased from eBay USA seller foolnme. (I purchased 3 from various sellers and cannot be sure anymore as to which one was the best.) I purchased the CDM12.4 laser only and integrated it into the existing carriage which was not that difficult. (There is an on-line photo tutorial somewhere on that process available.)
My results were great and it went through the two post-repair setup/adjustment modes perfectly. The best part about using an eBay CDM12.4 laser-only for repair of the BS Mk II's, in my opinion, is that you are not forced to replace the Mk II / CDM12.4 logic board with the VAM1250 version as you would if you purchased the $245.00 BS Mk II / VAM1250 conversion kit from B&O. And that is because Philips does not manufacture lasers any more and the VAM1250 (with the linear and "no metal cover" laser crown, hint, hint!) is impossible to purchase from anyone except B&O. For they purchased the last of the Philips VAM1250 production for their BeoSound 9000 repair inventory. And one cannot purchase the laser only VAM1250 from B&O. It is only available in a complete carriage mounted kit. I repaired my Mk III with that one and even at $185.00, it saved me hundreds over having it done for me (est. at $600.00).
So, in my opinion, if you own a never-converted BeoSound 9000 Mk II, then you would be best to work to maintain it as a CDM12.4 machine to avoid the obvious end-of-the-line scenario on the already obvious depletion of correct Philips VAM1250 lasers. For me, an eBay sourced CDM12.4 laser-only worked beautifully on my BS 9000 MK II!
For the sake of clarity, if you own a BeoSound 9000 MK II - which was originally fitted with the Philips CDM12.4 Laser - and you have it repaired by a B&O authorized service center or purchase the repair kit from B&O, you will be purchasing an "upgrade" kit which includes a new VAM1250 Logic Board as well as the VAM1250 carriage-mounted laser. Your old CDM12.4 logic board is removed (and tossed, I assume) and replaced and your Mk II is now essentially a BeoSound Mk III. Thus the higher cost of $245.00 for the Mk II kit to cover the cost of the included logic board. The BeoSound MK III kit does not include the logic board and cost me $185.00 from Atlantic Systems in Hanover Massachusetts. You are using the existing VAM1250 board that came with your MK III.
Got it?
Also, for those of us with injured BeoSound Mk III's, we are really heading toward a potentially hopeless situation as B&O will eventually run out of their stock of the Philips VAM1250 lasers. And please know that the typical eBay sourced VAM1250's DO NOT WORK!. I've tried them and this was my experience. As I discussed in my above referenced earlier BeoSound 9000 posting, the eBay (fake) VAM1250 lasers are distinctly different then the original Philips VAM1250 in that they have a circular laser crown solder point assembly (indicating a non-Philips laser diode used) and have a metal covering continuation over the top of the circular laser diode solder crown. My photos of the authentic Philips VAM1250 laser (see my earlier post) show the distinctive linear black plastic protruding laser diode solder crown and no metal cover.
And finally, I believe that the vast majority of failed BeoSound 9000 Mk III's can be repaired easily by doing a solder re-flow on the 12 solder points (6 and 6 each side) at the laser diode crown board. I recently purchased what I strongly believe are original eBay sourced Philips VAM1250's from this eBay auction:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/151045618465?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2649
I received two units and both have cracks in the solder joints. It is apparent to me that these original Philips VAM1250's have a design problem in that the top circuit board flexes leading to the cracking of the vertical/horizontal solder contact flows. When it is time to use them, I will simply re-flow the critical joints and wish for the best.
Michael Ready - USA
joeyboygolf: One more time........it can't be done on the cheap. Your only option is to buy a kit specific to your 9000's serial number direct from B&O service. If you don't want to pay you should not have bought a BS9000 as they have had this problem since day one. Sorry to be so blunt.
Completely untrue and completely unnecessary as a reply to a legitimate inquiry!
I feel for the newcomers to this forum. BeoWorld is one of the most consistantly unfriendly of all of the blogs that I vist.
Lee and moderators please take note....
Michael
Michael Sean: joeyboygolf: One more time........it can't be done on the cheap. Your only option is to buy a kit specific to your 9000's serial number direct from B&O service. If you don't want to pay you should not have bought a BS9000 as they have had this problem since day one. Sorry to be so blunt. Completely untrue and completely unnecessary as a reply to a legitimate inquiry! I feel for the newcomers to this forum. BeoWorld is one of the most consistently unfriendly of all of the blogs that I visit. Lee and moderators please take note.... Michael
I feel for the newcomers to this forum. BeoWorld is one of the most consistently unfriendly of all of the blogs that I visit.
I find that BeoWorld is one of the most helpful and friendly places on the Internet to visit, on many occasions overly friendly.
Not all of us do this "best friend" approach and believe that if you have something to say then say it and have done with it.
We are, however, all entitled to our opinion, mine is based on the fact that it is not only the laser that fails and the way to guarantee a successful repair is to buy the correct kit from B&O.
My "one more time" post was, in fact, in answer to a post that started the same way. I hadn't realised that I had to explain myself.
joeyboygolf: I find that BeoWorld is one of the most helpful and friendly places on the Internet to visit, on many occasions overly friendly.
Really joeyboygolf? Well as someone who's life experiences have equipped him to comment on such things as unnecessarily abrasive treatment with a good deal of authority, I can pretty much sum that up by saying that no matter how many good deeds one does, all it takes is one bad deed to negate them and make it all for not.
I visit many different blog forums on a regular basis and have a very clear and defined means against which to compare. And I can tell you that there is far too much infighting among regular contributers here on BeoWorld and a very snarky response attitude by some on here toward newbies who are daring to reach out for help only to be given the "tough love" response.
I visit BMW E46 sites to learn how to repair my car, welding sites to learn how to weld, various electronics and mechanic sites to enhance my skills in just about anything and everything. And guess what? I have never read or received a grain of hostile and insensitive drivel that I have read directed to blog participants here on BeoWorld. I have been spared but am always a bit on edge whenever I contribute to this forum understanding that for every paragraph I dare to write that I too may be on the receiving end of some member's "bad day".
Michael Sean: Hi: I have successfully repaired my BeoSound 9000 Mk II with an eBay sourced CDM12.4 laser at about $15.00 USD. I never wrote a complete DIY about it but some of the detail was presented in my BeoSound 9000 MK III / VAM1250 focused blog post: http://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/t/6067.aspx I'm a bit short o............solder contact flows. When it is time to use them, I will simply re-flow the critical joints and wish for the best. Michael Ready - USA
I'm a bit short o............solder contact flows. When it is time to use them, I will simply re-flow the critical joints and wish for the best.
One of the best and most informative posts I've read here. Clear, Objective and informative. Too many posts are biased in a direction that makes them unreliable.
Keep up the good work!
//Bo.A long list...
I replaced the laser mechanism.cd rotate 3 times and then stops and writes a pause.So progress has been previously did not even turn the CD.Glass is not installed on the device.How to BS 9000 MK1 get in your test mode with the Beo4 remote control.please help.
I have connected to the BS9000 used BeoLab 4000 and plays great only radio.
The BS9000 does all sorts of peculiar things when the glass is not fitted!
I suggest that you fit the glass, turn any bright bench light off, connect the speakers and try again.
To make the self test work with Beo4 you must add the SHIFT command to the list button.
Then SHIFT 90258 in CD mode should get you into self test , eventually!!!!
eventualy..:( yes ...or i must buy old version of remote
Definitely easier with Beolink 1000, in my opinion.
novelty!!!I have replaced the Chinese version VAM 12.4 for 15 usd.BS 9000 started to play CDsSome will not play. bad copy or scratched discs.I have not yet come to set the test mode to optimal performance.I and not yet fixed the glass pannel so probably for that reason does not want to moved between the different discs.
small battel won
successfully WITH NO PROBLEM launched a test mode operation on my BEOSOUND 9000 MK1.sequence on the remote BEO 4:
STAND BY, SHIFT, 90258, ( DISPALY SHOWS : TESTMODE ON) CD OR RADIO....THEN TEST MODE No: ...
Hi Guys
Didn't realise this thread had went on for some time.
I had replaced the turntable motor and laser assembly. First impressions was that it was the motor as after that was replaced it played no problem for hours.
Once stopped it would not play again, it would move slightly and then the disk would spin backwards. However if you lie it on it's back then 8 out of ten times it will play no problem (Mounts on back adjusted accordingly).
Only other possible thing we could think of is the Motor Decoder board (if that's the correct phrase) but apparently these are no longer manufactured.
Anyone have an idea where I could source a used replacement?
Thanks
Lewis
I, too, have a Beosound 9000 that is almost 20 years old. The CD player has refused to work many times and I think it is time to take it to the repair depot.Again. Previously a solder failed on the speaker circuit board. How much did I pay for this beautiful unit?
With due respect to the Danish engineers and please let me mention I have visited Denmark many times, but the engineering on this unit is not reliable nor commiserate for the price paid for a B&O product. There is a reason Denmark has not launched a rocket into space and the B&O engineering division is yet one more hindrance to the country's aspirations. I don't wish to wave the nationalist flag too vigorously because In the United States we have had similar disastrous engineering failures: the Chevy Vega comes to mind. If B&O truly believed they had created an outstanding, unique product, then I suggest B&O would stand behind the product for its lifetime. I would feel much better about B&O and would be more likely to trumpet the company if I knew that all problems, no matter when a shortcoming occurred, were the responsibility of the company. If so, I would gladly put up with occasional product failures. But because I will (again) pay the repair tab for poor product engineering, I would never hesitate to recommend NOT to purchase a B&O product. If you want to purchase disposable electronics then you should enjoy Sony or Panasonic products. But B&O: I thought you stood for a higher standard and you certainly don't hesitate to charge the highest price as you project that image.
And with that I've got the frustration off my chest. I shall not anticipate a warm welcome at the Copenhagen airport on my next visit. B&O engineers: good luck and be thankful you have a job in a competitive world economy. Take your marketing people out to lunch this week because they do a tremendous job to project an image that is not justifiable by your work.
Before giving your Beosound 9000 to repair or for laser replacement try at least to clean the laser lens. Now, when the service manual is available it's not a big deal. Simply follow the instructions 1 to 9 on pages 6.4 to 6.7. Be only careful with a clamper arm assembly as the external part goes through the internal one. When you reach the laser lens ( you dont't have to dissassemble the CD mechanism, just the cover) clean it with a microfible for glasses. If you want to use liquid - use distilled water from pharmacy ( for injections) . Don't use any alcohol nor isopropanol as it may damage lens surface.
My last researches about cleaning liquid shown that 30% alcohol with 1 small drop of washing liquid can be used as well.
As far as I know, there no more available spare parts for the Beosound 9000 MK I coming from B&O Denmark.
The hardest is to fix MK1, the other MK2...MK3 no problem.MK1 has a mechanism CDM and 12.6 and on eBay..or like for little money is not easy to find reliable and high-quality lasers.
You have 10% chance that will work.
CDM 12.6 has different ( older ) pcd than other version.
I fix many of them so i speak from my experiance.
In the moment i have 5 units MK1 to fix..and i'm not happy to start with.
Any original upgrade it is hard to find and it is to much money for old unit max 500 EUR worth.
If any one have easy way ...please to share :)
I have Mark III with laser VAM1250. Luckilly I have found on e-bay a Maranz DR4050 having the same laser, it cost me really cheap.But with my BS9000 I have a problem that sometimes it has difficulty to start playing. Sometimes it spins a CD very very quickly one or other side and then starts playing. Sometimes is waiting and I have manually choose another disk and another until it starts to rotate. Then everything goes normal. It looks like it has to 'warm up". Based on your experience does it mean that the laser is anyway used up ...or just not cleaned enough ?
1. laser it 's on the end of road... :(..bin it.
2. yust clean it ..outsine and inside lens.
3. sometime you can take vam 12.4 ant it work fine :)
4. if it is laser with vertical laser connection check it.... If it is laser with roud pins...change it.
hope it helps :)
I went back through beoworld topics and found that need for warming up may be caused by cracked solder joints which have to be checked/resoldered.
When you put VAM12.4 do you replace PCB 41 ? or make any other adjustments e.g. for cables to fit ?
Cleaning inside lens - do I have to dismantle something ?Do you use any precautions against electrostatic ?
When you put VAM12.4 do you replace PCB 41 ? or make any other adjustments e.g. for cables to fit ? ( NO )
Cleaning inside lens - do I have to dismantle something ? ( yes..take the laser head from mechanismus and improvise with toopick and some cotton. )Do you use any precautions against electrostatic ? ( yap...it is sensitive to static el . )
Because of bad weather outside I had a chance to change the laser mechanism to a one from Marantz as described by me some posts above.The laser mechanizm was VAM1250 but not exactly as the one in Beosound 9000. The existing laser mechanism has one additional black wire going to chassis/ground and a cover for laser that only lens are visible, the rest seems to be the same.But unfortunately the new laser didn't work meaning disk didn't spin.
I had to put the old laser back and still have the same problem - when I swich on I have to go from one disk to another until the laser (?) warms up enough to start, then it plays normally. Maybe something else has to warm up not a laser itself an therefore the new laser didn't work.
Any suggestions ?
Just to add - i double checked the laser in Marantz player - works OK. I should add ( solder) to it the extra grounding wire and then carefully assembly the Beosound (initially I too quickly wanted to check whether it works) and try to play. Theoretically as the first row numbers on both mechanisms are the same - it should work. I will inform you then.
Finally I have replaced the laser mechanism again. I looked on laser pickup number in both mechanisms and they are exactly the same 1VC0573 so if not working I should blame the PCB41. I have soldered extra grounding wire and cleaned with alcohol all ribbon wires: laser pickup, laser mechanism, 2 coming to PCB41 and 2 coming to clamping mechanism. Then I carefully assembled everything back and ......................................... working !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hurrah !!!!!!!!!!