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will runk
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will runk Posted: Sat, Nov 3 2018 3:50 PM

greetings from tulsa!

i've been a long time fan of b&o but never managed to acquire any pieces until now. 

i came home with a 3000-2 tuner last night along with a beogram cd3300 and a cd-x. the tuner is fantastic! the cd-x looks brand new and all functions appear to be operating as they should but when i use the rca cables on a sansui or kenwood receiver i hear no music. the counter counts as the player plays, just no output.  am i going to need to use the rca to 5pin adapter? that would allow me to plug it in to the 3000-2 unit (which is my plan of course).    

the cd 3300 unit has a 7 pin plug that won't fit anything i have to this point. is it only compatible with b&o units from the time period?

any help is appreciated and thank you for your time!

 

wilson

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Peter replied on Sat, Nov 3 2018 4:51 PM

The CDX has captive RCA plugs - make sure you are plugging them into the correct sockets - the CDX is usually pretty bullet proof. The two extra pins on the CD3300 will unscrew and will fin into a 5 pin socket. Which BM3000? The flat touch sensitive one or the slide rule one?

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hi peter,

i saw the screw pins but i'd never thought to just remove them. but i did and now i have music from the 3300!!  thank you for the advice!! 

the 3000-2 is the slide rule model. it's totally a piece of art to me!!  the man i picked these up from also has a bm 2400 which i thought i would go back and pick it up and give it a whirl. i only have to pay for what i want to keep and he wants a happy customer.   

the 3300 does chatter a bit when the door raises and closes. i'll address that after i figure out what is up with the cd-x.

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Peter replied on Sat, Nov 3 2018 5:46 PM

Very nice receiver. The only problem I had with mine was a noisy transformer - the core delaminates. The 2400 is a lovely device - was the first piece of B&O I bought!

Peter

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beojeff replied on Sat, Nov 3 2018 6:15 PM

Also, do you know that the CD must be played upside down in relation to how we normally load a CD? Perhaps that is the issue?

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hi beojeff,

the upside down loading didn't do it. it didn't even start to spin.

after loading and pushing play everything appears normal, just no sound. i can hear something and when i push stop i hear that something come to a stop.   i've never had a cd player act like it's working, reading the cd and counting through the song and not hear it.    i thought i'd try to use an rca to 5 pin adapter but couldn't find one here in tulsa.      i'll keep trying!   thank y'all for your help!!

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Only the Beogram Cd50 plays with the CD Upsidedown. The BM3000-2 has RCA inputs for both tape inputs if I remember right so you should be able to use them. If no sound from known working inputs on known working receivers, my first suspect, if it is playing and counting, would be the RCA ends.
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will runk replied on Sat, Nov 3 2018 11:24 PM

that's my next plan of attack!!   thank you for the suggestion!

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latest update:

i noticed that the case was askew a bit in the back where the rca cables come out. turns out they have been worked on in the past sometime and were crimped by the case itself. there was a crude splice and it was  taped up with duct tape (of all things!).  my watchmaker here locally used to be a b & o dealer and he's going to replace the rca cables for me hopefully this next week as i'd love to listen to it soon.  on another note the cd 3300 is playing right now spectacularly through my kenwood kr-9400 (i want one of these b & o's connected to my 3000-2 but i don't have any speaker connectors yet)  the opening mechanism does chatter a little when opening and closing and i'll have that addressed as well from the mechanic.   

thank you guys for the input.  

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beojeff replied on Mon, Nov 5 2018 9:56 AM

I have a CDX2 that plays with the CD upside-down. I had thought the CDX might be the same.

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will runk replied on Sun, Nov 25 2018 6:04 PM

here's the latest on my cd-x.  i had switched out the rca cables, put the machine back together and plugged it in to one of my amps and all i got was noise. i perused another site and posted my dilemma with the cd-x and the owner of the site said he had the same issue with his and after it was on for about ten minutes it would play fine.  so i turned it on and let it play and three songs in it was playing!!!    the only downside now is that it only plays out of one side.   i went back in and resoldered the connections and still get the same result.    but, leaving it on did the trick.    (by the way, i did reinstall the old rca cables and they wouldn't play at all.  they are in the trash again)      so now i'm closer to a usable piece instead of one that just looks cool and is amazing to look at!    

thank you again beoworld and everyone that reached out!!

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chartz replied on Sun, Nov 25 2018 9:58 PM
Hi again,

The answer may be straightforward: there are reed relays at the audio outputs that go bad over time in many Philips first and second gen players (the CDX being a CD104 at heart).

Those relays cut the audio signal to prevent noises at startup.

They are glass tubes that pass through a coil.

There are two: one for the audio output and one for de-emphasis.

A classic failure that costs pennies to fix, if you can DIY that is!

To check which one is bad, just short extremities.

Do try that first.

Jacques

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will runk replied on Mon, Nov 26 2018 12:24 AM

wow!!  thank you for that insight!!  are they on the same circuit board as the rca outputs?  i'm all for a diy fix if i can track down what i'm looking for!!

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Dillen replied on Mon, Nov 26 2018 8:00 AM

Only short them while playing - or you will send all TOC-content etc. to the amplifier and that can be an unpleasant experience - for you and your tweeters

Martin

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will runk replied on Wed, Nov 28 2018 2:35 AM

wow!  very cool info!!   a bit daunting though when you factor in the post from martin below though!  funny thing now is, i only have 4 cd's and the machine won't read two of them but reads the other two just fine.  jeez, it's always something isn't it??    maybe i'm better off letting a professional work this player over??

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