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Pretty interesting:
https://news.samsung.com/us/samsung-smart-tvs-launch-itunes-movies-tv-shows-support-airplay-2-spring-2019/
The market seems to be so brutal that even Apple is apparently abandoning their AppleTV.
Sadly, it seems like this will be exclusively on Samsung for the time being...
BeoVision Eclipse have already airplay 2 support from november :)
so thats is not exlusiv samsung tv.
Not quite the same.
On the named tv’s (from Samsung) this is a part of the tv software.
With the Eclipse it is part of the B&O provided streaming funcionallity (the Sound Center).
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
And what the different?
Souncenter of the eclipse is the main part of the TV.. so IT support AirPlay 2:) work very good:)
Samsung will get Airplay 2 video support. So not the same at all andybandy.
According to another press release from the CES, AirPlay 2 will also be supported by some other «big » brands (no brand cited precisely), but iTunes app is a Samsung exclusivity
diisign.com
So here we have the Airplay 2 (and HomeKit) brands announcements :
LG, Samsung and Vizio will be compatible
tigerisak: Samsung will get Airplay 2 video support. So not the same at all andybandy.
And this is pretty darned useful. Means you can stream from your iOS device to your TV. Your iPhone just becomes a handy visual remote.
Can't see Apple ditching their Apple TV though. Plenty of devices need that third-party support.
@moxxey you are right, only (!) Samsung is getting to use that special app for iTunes video. It is quite another "hell froze over" moment for Apple fans... ;-) (remember iTunes for PC?). So it is indeed good to have Apple TV for the foreseeable future for other (and older than 2019!) TV (do not count on it for long, though!).
However, good to hear that other brands at least get the AirPlay video streaming. I can't wait to hear prices for the rollable LG OLED, that would definitely be my new TV, even though the base looks kind of big (but it is at the same time a fantastic soundbar, apparently).
Too bad Samsung is not up to par when it comes to picture quality. Oh, and I so wish B&O would at least continue to be a part of these new developments!!! :-( Even Sennheiser announced their new Soundbar...
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jarnim:The market seems to be so brutal that even Apple is apparently abandoning their AppleTV.
:P Hardly.. But giving manufacturers the possibility to add AirPlay 2, Homekit and iTunes Store means advantages for Apple since for now most systems are easy to use with Android phones and not iOS devices due to the lack of AirPlay. Now they give TV manufacturers the possibility to add this, making a ecosystem with iOS devices and different TVs a simpler solution without cables. It also means people can now rent movies from iTunes store which of course is revenue making for Apple. More possibilities to rent out movies without having to buy a separate box. Apple TV is great but most TV´s are thin, and we already struggle to fit them inside our B&O TVs - since we neither want to see them. Im confident Apple will continue selling the Apple TV due to its amazing user interface, speed, smoothness and app support in the IOS world. This news is simply extra ways to stream, rent and to use homekit devices. I believe the HomeKit implementation will still require an Apple hub like Apple TV or an iPad, but HomeKit integration at least means that we will be able to turn our TVs on by our phone, apple watch or computer, or connected switches etc. That I believe is really, really cool! For example, today I use my GPS fence to turn the lights on depending on time of day when I come home, and turn off when I leave. Now this would be possible with the TV too. Either schedule or act on action. It is not exclusive for Samsung either, LG, Vizio, Sony etc has already promised support and more will certainly come.
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https://www.apple.com/airplay/ is a good place for true information.
AirPlay 2+HomeKit support announced by Sony today on its future TVs.
Michael: jarnim:The market seems to be so brutal that even Apple is apparently abandoning their AppleTV. It is not exclusive for Samsung either, LG, Vizio, Sony etc has already promised support and more will certainly come.
It is not exclusive for Samsung either, LG, Vizio, Sony etc has already promised support and more will certainly come.
My point is not the AirPlay 2 possibility -- my point is Samsung (exclusively) offering an iTunes Movies and TV Shows app, apparently programmed by Apple, which includes access to the iTunes Store as well as access to your complete library. The experience will be just the same as running an Apple TV! Eddie Cue looks "forward to bringing the iTunes and AirPlay 2 experience to even more customers around the world through Samsung Smart TVs".
andy_js:Implementing Airplay in the Eclipse sound bar is looking like it wasn’t such a great idea. I love B&O, but if I can stream audio from my TV to other parts of the house using Airplay like you can with Beolink, I might be tempted to jump ship.
Interesting - it does raise the question of whether all TV audio (on say the new LG) will be distributable via AP2.
Right now, audio from Apple TV content can go multi-room, but not broadcast TV.
Will the new AP2 capable TV's be able to share all its audio?
How does it work on the Eclipse? Is broadcast TV or any of the LG native apps share-able via the AP2 protocol, as opposed to B&O NL?
jarnim:My point is not the AirPlay 2 possibility -- my point is Samsung (exclusively) offering an iTunes Movies and TV Shows app , apparently programmed by Apple, which includes access to the iTunes Store as well as access to your complete library. The experience will be just the same as running an Apple TV! Eddie Cue looks "forward to bringing the iTunes and AirPlay 2 experience to even more customers around the world through Samsung Smart TVs".
Sandyb:Interesting - it does raise the question of whether all TV audio (on say the new LG) will be distributable via AP2.
My understanding is that it's a one-way possibility : you can stream to your TV from any of your Apple products, but nobody never said that it would allow to distribute TV (sound or image) to the Airplay protocol. It's just impossible as there is no other Apple product than the Apple TV that can act as a Airplay "receiver".
That's why there are still strong reasons to use Beolink instead of AP2. Those are complementary technologies.
About using AP2 instead of Beolink: please remind that Airplay 2 needs to stream from the iDevice, so you may drain your battery uselessly instead of streaming directly music to a Beolab from the internet...
mbee:Sandyb:Interesting - it does raise the question of whether all TV audio (on say the new LG) will be distributable via AP2.My understanding is that it's a one-way possibility : you can stream to your TV from any of your Apple products, but nobody never said that it would allow to distribute TV (sound or image) to the Airplay protocol
It means "you can stream to your TV and others devices from your iDevice, and everything will play in sync".
BeoFrederic: mbee: Sandyb: Interesting - it does raise the question of whether all TV audio (on say the new LG) will be distributable via AP2. My understanding is that it's a one-way possibility : you can stream to your TV from any of your Apple products, but nobody never said that it would allow to distribute TV (sound or image) to the Airplay protocol We need to understand the meaning of this provocatively ambiguous statement: “You can even play music on the TV and sync it with other AirPlay 2–compatible speakers anywhere in your home.” www.apple.com/AirPlay
mbee: Sandyb: Interesting - it does raise the question of whether all TV audio (on say the new LG) will be distributable via AP2. My understanding is that it's a one-way possibility : you can stream to your TV from any of your Apple products, but nobody never said that it would allow to distribute TV (sound or image) to the Airplay protocol
Sandyb:
My understanding is that it's a one-way possibility : you can stream to your TV from any of your Apple products, but nobody never said that it would allow to distribute TV (sound or image) to the Airplay protocol
We need to understand the meaning of this provocatively ambiguous statement: “You can even play music on the TV and sync it with other AirPlay 2–compatible speakers anywhere in your home.” www.apple.com/AirPlay
I´m quite sure it refers to the possibility to send music from your device to the TV and "sync it with other AirPlay 2–compatible speakers anywhere in your home", meaning you sync from your device and not your TV.
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It's going to be great feature for Samsung, LG, Vizio and Sony (i believe)
mbee:About using AP2 instead of Beolink: please remind that Airplay 2 needs to stream from the iDevice, so you may drain your battery uselessly instead of streaming directly music to a Beolab from the internet...
Hiort: BeoFrederic: mbee: Sandyb: Interesting - it does raise the question of whether all TV audio (on say the new LG) will be distributable via AP2. My understanding is that it's a one-way possibility : you can stream to your TV from any of your Apple products, but nobody never said that it would allow to distribute TV (sound or image) to the Airplay protocol We need to understand the meaning of this provocatively ambiguous statement: “You can even play music on the TV and sync it with other AirPlay 2–compatible speakers anywhere in your home.” www.apple.com/AirPlay I´m quite sure it refers to the possibility to send music from your device to the TV and "sync it with other AirPlay 2–compatible speakers anywhere in your home", meaning you sync from your device and not your TV.
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1547088002
So yes, it seems the new AP2 TV's will receive streams from an iPhone, iPad etc....but the TV audio cannot be shared to other AP2 speakers.
So as it stands, NL is still necessary for me - as I like to share the TV audio (of any type) to other rooms.
The new AP2 TV feature is a useful sub-set of course.
I'm not even sure Sonos (via a Sonos sound-bar) setup can even do the sharing of any TV audio to Sonos speakers in other rooms. Maybe it can, but I'm struggling to find confirmation of this.
Anyway, NL lives on, for new at least.
Sandyb:I'm not even sure Sonos (via a Sonos sound-bar) setup can even do the sharing of any TV audio to Sonos speakers in other rooms. Maybe it can, but I'm struggling to find confirmation of this.
(Regarding the forwarding of AirPlay2 sound, just keep a simple rule in mind: All Apple has licensed is the ability to make an AirPlay2 *receiver*. They have reserved being an AirPlay2 *transmitter* all to themselves. Regarding whether Apple might be "forced to abandon" making AppleTVs in the future, what they are aiming for is to collect monies for doing nothing -- well, nothing but holding, and maybe streaming, bits. Wouldn't it be lovely, they think, if they could make money without all that annoying manufacturing nonsense, actual *building* of (eww!) *things*...)
Thanks for the clarification re Sonos, good to know.
As for the Airplay "limitations" with the new TV's, yes this was as I expected it to be, even before seeing the flatpanels article.
Someone else raised the question earlier in this thread, as to whether Airplay can replace NL.
My response then, as has been shown, is that the AP2 capability of the new TV's may well be restricted, and not act as an Apple TV for example.
So yes, no great surprise, though good to have some clarification from flatpanels......NL lives on.
At least for those who use it / do multiroom in a variety of ways with a variety of sources.
Whether that will be the case in 5 years time, who knows.
So let me get this straight, a 2019 LG TV for example, cannot send the TV sound to say, to a Beoplay M3 in the kitchen? Or are you guys only talking about video streaming from an Idevice to a television?
ptrv: So let me get this straight, a 2019 LG TV for example, cannot send the TV sound to say, to a Beoplay M3 in the kitchen? Or are you guys only talking about video streaming from an Idevice to a television?
Yep, doesn't sound like it - worth reading the flatpanels article, but they seem pretty clear.
it sounds like the new TV's will do the following :
1. Allow users to stream video from an i-device to the TV (assuming the app supports airplay streaming, though many do)
2. Allow users to use the TV as a Muti-room music speaker, in conjunction with other speakers in the house.
But it does not turn the TV into an Apple TV.
NL is more all encompassing with respect to sharing whatever TV audio with other NL-speakers, be that broadcast TV, streaming, Blu-Rays etc etc.
The new AP2 features on these new TV's is a useful nice to have subset - and welcome to that extent.
andy_js:You’re wrong. Airplay 2 can stream from the cloud, though I think Apple Music might be the only service to support this right now.
I've never seen such behavior: do you have an example?
I think that if you use Siri on an iDevice to say "play Music X on the HomePod", (where music X is from Apple Music) then the HomePod is able to get its music directly from the cloud, but it's the only device that does this, and this is not Airplay 2.
Not quite - if you play Apple Music (or even Tidal) using the native Apple TV apps, then they stream directly from the cloud. (So not just the HomePod that acts this way) .And this is using the Apple TV remote, not Siri (which won't work with Tidal of course anyway).
If you ask other Airplay 2 speakers to then join in the music from the Apple TV, it is the Apple TV that shares the stream to the other speakers. So you're phone is not involved, bar the play / pause functional control.
But otherwise you are correct - if you stream to an Airplay device from your phone / tablet, then the chain is cloud - phone - speaker.
From the reports it seems as if the new TV's will act as a receiver / like an AP2 speaker only - and as such the audio from, for example broadcast / cable TV, won't be share-able to other AP2 speakers.
For that you'll need to continue using Network Link-ing - which was the most salient question that the new AP2 TV's raised, at least to me.
Thanks for your clarification, Sandyb