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Dear members,
I have trouble with my newly acquired Beosystem 3. I have connected it via Masterlink for testing purposes to a Beosound 9000. Works fine. Also a DVD2 is connected. Also works, although not the Beo4 control, but I have already read here on the forum that a Scart only connection apparently is not enough. I'll try to get a HDMI cable. Much better anyway.
My main problem right now is that the internal TV tuner of the Beosystem 3 (digital DVB-C) doesn't seem to find any programs. The Beosystem 3 is connected to an old Beovision Avant via HDMI to Scart converter. But that probably isn't the problem since DVD is working and I do get a picture. The Beosystem just doesn't seem to find any channels. However, the Humax receiver that I used before did.
Any ideas what could be the cause? I haven't found anything in the manual or on the internet so far and am getting quite frustrated.
Greetings,
Kai
Is the DVB/C tuner enabled ?
Using the wrong antenna port, maybe?
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Thanks for the answers, guys. Please see picture for connections. I've also tried the analogue input with the same result. TV is enabled. Otherwise I wouldn't get to the program set up menu, would I?
One thing is that I do not know what screen to select. B&O only allows me to pick Beovisions 4 and 12. So that is not correct. Non-B&O is not correct either. However, that's what I opted for lacking a suitable alternative. And I put it to standard in the subsequent selection menu.
I have two Beosystems 3 that actually behave the same. A defect is highly unlikely given that. And compatibility with the old Avant RF probably too because I am able to get the mnu on screen and can watch DVDs. I just can't seem to tune in TV programs, which is probably an issue with the Beosystem 3 itself rather than with the screen.
Cheers,
HI Again
Please goto (MENU,MENU) DTV- CHANNELS-TUNING-INPUTS- Which of the tuners are available and enabled?
I don't seem to get into the service menu. Neither menu-menu nor 0-0-go seem to work. Any ideas? Kai
Manbearpig:I don't seem to get into the service menu. Neither menu-menu nor 0-0-go seem to work. Any ideas? Kai
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Thanks very much. This has ultimately helped to at least get to the menu. I now get the following screen. Is this informative for my problem of no TV reception?
You are in the wrong place!
Start by following the sequence in my previous posting. The tuners are enabled or disabled in the normal menu structure, no need for the device menu. The (MENU,MENU) simply means you need to get to the main setup menu, if you are already in the DTV mode you will need to press menu twice!
Do a screenshot when you get to the destination! It should look something like this:
Thanks again for the answer, Probably I'm too naive to understand, but how to I get to DTV mode? Please recall that I am using an old Avant CRT connected via DVI to HADMI cable and HDMI to Scart converter. I have tried (menu, menu) in all sorts of places but it never seemed to do anything for me.
The problem probably is that when I press menu once, I get to the menu of the Beovision Avant. On this menu I select V.Aux, to which the Beosystem 3 is connected. As soon as I press menu again, I'm out of the menu because the Avant is still receiving the signal and not only the Beosystem. I don't know whether there is a way for the Beosystem to start the Avant so that I can put the Avant in option 0? That would probably resolve the issue and get me one step closer to the solution.
Now I am @ loss...
Your BS 3 is a complete television, the only thing missing is the display, and I was under the assumption you had hooked up the AVANT as a simple display?
The tuner I am referring to is the one built into the BS3, at this point in time there is no way you will have the analog tuner in the AVANT pick up anything!(tecnically there is a way, but lets cross that bridge another day)
PS Cover the IR receiver on the AVANT with a heavy towel, its located left of the little red dot matrix display, that way you will only operate the BS3
Your BEO 4 could have a SAT button instead of a DTV, same thing though
Am I understanding you correctly ?
Now I'm getting closer. Your "you are in the wrong place" comment combined with the SAT button did the trick. The manual and navigation are really misleading when using the Avant just as a screen as you say (that is precisely what I do). There is a search option in the regular menu. However, I do need to put the Beosystem 3 in DTV mode first and then there is another search option there. This one seems to work. Don't ask me how, because I was just randomly pressing buttons trying to change from radio mode to TV mode (both seem to have distinct menus?) and get somewhat close to the place you pointed out, but eventually I ended up right where I wanted to be and am at least able to tune in radio and TV stations now.
Part of the problem is probably that the screen is cut at the edges. Therefore, some of the information is always missing. What would be the appropriate resolution setting in the Beosystem 3 for an RF 16:9 Avant?
Another question: should I also register the Beosystem as SAT then (I have now configured the AV input as V.AUX)? Would that allow me to turn on screen and Beosystem simultaneously?
Thanks again for your help. If you know how to do it, it's simple. But I haven't found anything on the net and therefore this was quite tricky...
P.S.: TV reception works perfectly now. Good picture!
Hi again
A few questions before i can properly guide you into this wonderful piece of equipment.
Are the sound playing through the AVANT speakers or do you have a speaker setup?
Do you realize you can hook up TWO displays to the BS3? This is actually the cool part the FORMAT 0 will close the curtains on the first display transfer the image to the second display and open the curtains. As much as i love the AVANT CRT it doesn't really utilize the power of the BS3. Suggestion: Get a cheap 1080 non smart TV and hook it up to the primary output (it could actually be a 1080 PC monitor) and then the AVANT to the secondary output. FORMAT 0 will then switch between the two of them.
One way of getting control of both units without the remote controlling both is simply setting the AVANT into link mode, I believe the details are in the user manual on the B&O website.
Turning OFF both units is simply a matter of keeping the power button pressed for a couple of seconds, while turning ON is tricky, remember the BS3 cannot control the AVANT it simply provides a video stream.
Your resolution issue is most likely due the SCART converter, Did you try 576i/p?
No B&O setup is far from simple, especially due to the notorious lack of proper, typenumber based documentation. Take your AVANT for one it really could be anything. It exists in literally 100s of permutations. What type do you have ?
Keep asking questions, its the only way to learn ;-)
Edit: From you screenshot I am guessing its an RF model 32" properly DVD?
Edit II The FORMAT commands 1,2,3 allows you to adjust the picture size on the AVANT.
Edit III The best remote for the AVANT is actually the BL1000 Sound and picture adjustment are primary functions no menus! . Much faster than the BEO4, and belive it or not it will also operate the BS3 just as easily.
Hey again,
thanks for all of your help. Actually, the solution is already quite satisfactory now, but there are a couple of things that can still be improved.
To answer your questions:
- Many speakers linked to Beosystem 3, no speakers linked to the Avant. However, can I still use internal Avant speakers as center speaker and if so, how?
- Type numer 8430
- Two displays sounds really wicked, but my living room is already filled with speakers. I will therefore only use the Avant.
I have now tried SAT (STB) as an option on the Avant for connecting the Beosystem 3 and set the Avant to option 1. This works nicely in TV mode. However, although I have linked the DVD 2 via Scart and HDMI to the Beosystem 3 now and registered all connections in the menu of the Beosystem 3, I can't seem to control the DVD2 via the Beo4. Any idea why that is?
I have found out that I can change between TV and radio by using DTV (SAT) and then pressing menu - 0 - 0 - Go. However, even in radio mode the screen always stays on. Can I turn the screen off in radio mode with the radio still playing somehow?
Thanks again!
Hi
One of the pieces I have yet to acquire is the DVD 2, which means I honestly dont know anything about it!
But I am not convinced the double connection will work as you expect it, since there technically are TWO different signals in the BS3 an analog and a digital path. For kicks try disconnecting the jumper HDMI cable, you will still have DVT although in SD only.
The red key should switch to radio as well, where did you find the menu 00 go info?
The BS3 and most BVs have a "picture mute" functionality, all you have to do is adding the P MUTE to the BEO4 list menu. Might even work on the AVANT cant remember to be honest, and my AVANT RF DVD is currently relocating.
There is a Picture in Picture mode as well and that command does work on the AVANT.
Thanks again. Menu - red works as well. Just figured out by chance that menu - 0 0 Go does the same thing.
How can I switch between sound modes by the way?
Picture mute works with AV - Source. If I now could still switch programs with muted picture, that would be quite something. Radio quality is surpisingly good, just like the picture quality.
I'll get the DVD2 problem sorted. Probably, I'll need another cable.
What audio source would you use to feed into the Beosystem 3? Beosystem 7000, Beocenter 9500, or Beosound 9000? I have a feeling that the 1611 converter needed with Beosystem 7000 and Beocenter 9500 has adverse effects on sound quality.
Manbearpig:How can I switch between sound modes by the way?
LIST menu item SPEAKER 1 to 5. However you cannot select a mode that requires more speakers than indicated in the setup, however the BS3 dosent know if you actually connected what you input on the speaker setting menus, so you can fake the system into accepting all 5 modes. Your AVANT works exactly the same way!
You can switch with the picture muted,- just have to verify my memory stand by on this one. Or did you mean switch source (input)? If you really want to pursue the full functionality of the BS3 I might suggest adding a BL1000 to your collection. The menu system of the BEO4 (LIST in particular) lets be honest,- sucks! And will effectively prevent you from using some of the cool features, it simply to difficult. On the BL1000 nothing is more than two key presses away.
As to the Audio systems, tough one!
The 5500, 6500, 7000 all have the fantastic 2 way remotes, and unfortunately you cannot use these remotes with the BS3 or the Avant, although you can operate them with a BEO4 or BL1000. The two way remotes are almost mandatory since only the most rudimentary information is available on the front panels of these systems. My preference would properly be the BS9000 with the CD as a digital input. As to the quality you are properly right. The input feeding the 1611 is a single ended signal, whereas the ML is nativity differential.
Personally I am running a significant part of audio through the HDMI interface... dont get me started on that one...
PS both the service menu and the customer menu are accessed the same way on both the AVANT and the BS3.
Perhaps you could share some pictures of your setup ?
I didn't mean switch sources. Just channels with picture muted. I do have two Beolink 1000s ;-)
Speaker 1-5 doesn't seem to work for me.
Two way on Beomaster 7000 works even in Option 0 with Software 1.3.
How do you run the Audio through HDMI and what do you mean by single ended signal?
What would be the best way to register the Avant as screen by the way? I have now used non-B&O TV, which, however, is not correct. But all alternatives are not correct either, so...
Thanks so much again,
Manbearpig:I didn't mean switch sources. Just channels with picture muted.
As I said it does work,- simply operate use arrow up/down or key in the number. I am pretty sure there is a way to change source without "unmuting" the picture as well.
Manbearpig:Two way on Beomaster 7000 works even in Option 0 with Software 1.3.
Works with what except the system 7000?
Manbearpig:What would be the best way to register the Avant as screen by the way? I have now used non-B&O TV, which, however, is not correct. But all alternatives are not correct either, so...
Doesn't really matter, this is for the BV4/12 /BS3 combo.
Manbearpig: what do you mean by single ended signal?
All the signals running through the DIN connectors are single ended (including PL!), all the signals share the same return path (GND), a differential signal has a positive an a negative signal, any noise being injected into the pair will effectively be canceled out, pure math really. This is why the masterlink can run for 100s of meters,- its differential!
Manbearpig:How do you run the Audio through HDMI
Apart from my B&O "sources" everything else comes from my NAS, each TV has a small mediabox (Old Q180 Lenovos mostly) connected through HDMI. Extremly flexible and it does all the things the B&O systems cant! So whenever technology changes I just update a bit of software. This actually allows me to handle every conceivable audio format out there, video as well including most of the 4k flavours.
Arrows and keys didn't work for me with picture muted. Will try again, though.
The DVD2 meanwhile also works with connections via HDMI and Scart.
I'm getting closer and closer. Solution so far seems much better than just using an external DVB-C tuner.
Is there a way to still use the internal video in the Avant? I mean to get the sound to the speaker connected to the Beosystem 3?
Can I somehow use the Avant speakers as center speaker?
Manbearpig:The DVD2 meanwhile also works with connections via HDMI and Scart.
Great,- then I know what to do when I get my hand on one of those!
Manbearpig:Is there a way to still use the internal video in the Avant? I mean to get the sound to the speaker connected to the Beosystem 3?
If they are not to far apart, you could simply do a SCART connection to the BS3 The signal should be present on the decoder SCART . Or go all in on retro and use the RF modulator in the AVANT (video link) and then use the analog tuner in the BS3 to tune in... I does require a coax RF connection though.
Manbearpig:Can I somehow use the Avant speakers as center speaker?
Yes, provided you have set up the speakers in the AVANT to show more than internal speakers. SOUND 3 on the BL1000 as an example would turn the internal speakers into a dedicated center channel. On that note: If you do, try closing your eyes and slowly adjust the stand, you will be able to hear exactly when the TV is perpendicular to you position. This the due to the two speakers in the AVANT. There is only on place in space where the phase is correct. That is why a true centre should be ONE speaker only.
Thanks again. Concerning the last point: but then I need a powerlink connection between Avant and Beosystem three, don't I?
I could probably also try and connect the Avant's second scart to the DVD2 rather than the Beosystem 3. Would probably be the better solution.
Manbearpig: Thanks again. Concerning the last point: but then I need a powerlink connection between Avant and Beosystem three, don't I? I could probably also try and connect the Avant's second scart to the DVD2 rather than the Beosystem 3. Would probably be the better solution.
Sorry I still get confused on this particular setup, are your speakers centered around the AVANT? (picture ?)
And do you want to use the speakers in the AVANT as centre for the input provided by the BS3?
Speakers all connected to Beosystem 3. Everything else doesn't make any sense. That's why I'm asking whether I can still include the Avant speakers as center in my setup.
As for the second part: yes. Avant as center speakers for input by Beosystem 3 - all other speakers directly connected to the Beosystem.
Cheers, Kai
I think I get it... think!
With a bit of cable fetish yes,- you just need to get the Centre PL output hooked up to the audio pins in the SCART connector from your HDMI to SCART CONVERTER. Sacrifice a PL cable and jerry rig it into the SCART connector of the cable! Pin 2,4 and 6.
One caveat though: you need to control the volue on both the BS3 and the AVANT. Obvioulsy to can resolve this by going max volume on the AVANT but that would expose the the shortcomings of a SCART/CRT combo,- the buzzing!
Your basic problem is the audio isn't embedded in the HDMI signal since your BS has the DVI output.
Double post
Hm, that sounds complicated. Use of SPDIF is not possible? I mean, the Avant does have corresponding inputs. Probably something like a powerlink to SPDIF cable could work, don't you think? Kai
Manbearpig:Hm, that sounds complicated. Use of SPDIF is not possible? I mean, the Avant does have corresponding inputs. Probably something like a powerlink to SPDIF cable could work, don't you think? Kai
Its not,- its a simple case of "strip some wires", usually the SCART connector has plenty of room to simply twist the wires around the pins, no soldering required. You might even be able to find a SCART break out box or in your case "break in" somewhere
You have no digital sound output!
The ONLY Beosystem or Beovision with a digital sound output are ironically based on the Beosystem 3 type 77xx they have audio embedded in the HDMI output, you have a 9xxx type... The digital input on the AVANT is tricky since it changed along the way to support DTS, so even if you do a sting of converters to get a digital signal from the PL output, it still might not work, depending on the actual software in your AVANT.
Can you solder? There is another more intrusive way, but it would be the correct one? (Patching directly into the power amps, Very easy!)
That's very good information. Thank you!
I'll approach another issue first. I still can't seem to change between pre-defined speaker-settings. The speaker command doesn't work. The only way I can switch is by entering the menu, going to options, etc. But that's quite a procedure if I just want to engage a different pair of speakers. There has to be a better solution, but the manual is silent about that. It just makes reference to the speaker command, which doesn't do anything in my case apparently.
You need to have enough speakers to activate a specific mode! I.e modes 4 and 5 are not available if no surround speakers have been assigned.
Did you assign a centre? is the AST enabled in the sound menu,- last item? The SOUND button works the same way as SPEAKER on the BL1000 try that.
Its a lot easier to help you if you support you question with a specific example, I am not entirely sure I know what you are trying to achieve. I does sound a bit like something different form the what the speaker modes can do?
Keep on pushing beovox141 ;-))))
Hey Millemissen and Beovox141,
first of all Beovox141 apparently seems to know a lot and has helped me quite a bit in this thread. The Beosystem 3 is a complicated beast and the manual insufficient given its capabilities. I'm almost where I wanted to be with my setup now and that's to quite an extent due to Beovox141's help. Millemissen, you yourself have always been very polite and helpful on various occasions in the past. Both of your contributions to this forum are much appreciated. But I recognize that this is now a very long thread. However, it's more me who is to blame than anybody else because I have a hard time operating the Beosystem 3 in my setup. Beovox141 is just trying to help me out.
As to your questions: I have connected a sub, no center speaker and three pairs of speakers (Beolab 4000s, 5000s and Pentas). All recognized in the menus and I have also defined some speaker profiles and AST is enabled. Essentially, I have done everything that is in the manual but still speaker 1-5 don't seem to work. Too few speakers connected is not the problem. Or is it the center that's missing?
I can switch between sound profiles by running through the on-screen menus, but there has to be an easier way without having to engage the screen. Thats's what I am asking.
There is an older thread, where somebody else had the same issue. However, in that thread, there was no solution to the problem given.
Manbearpig: But I recognize that this is now a very long thread. However, it's more me who is to blame than anybody else because I have a hard time operating the Beosystem 3 in my setup.
But I recognize that this is now a very long thread. However, it's more me who is to blame than anybody else because I have a hard time operating the Beosystem 3 in my setup.
That should not be a problem - as long as it help you to a useable solution.
Personally I must confess that I find that particular setup a bit odd - and therefore can’t add much here.
BEOVOX141 is very persistent and knows the BeoSystem 3 well - he (and others) will surely be able to help and guide you.
What's odd about that setup? Just because I am using an older screen? For now, that didn't cause any problems. My current problem principally applies to any Beosystem 3 user. Even if speaker 1-5 is working I have a hard time imagining that it is possible to define all sorts of audio profiles without being comfortably able to switch between them. Switching is possible for me, but it's way too involved having to engage the screen, go to the menu, options, sound profiles and then select the one you wish. There has to be an easier way. Unfortunately, I have so far not figured out how.
I guess you are using AST, and not just the basic configuration. The switching will follows the input/output and I am not aware of any way of doing the switching in a quick way. I have the same issue trying to switch formats for decoding of audio, the B&O assumption is it happens automatically!.
Speaker 1,2,3 should work but that is not what you are after!
Try looking at it this way, AST will allow you to have a different listening position e.g for two displays, and obviously the assumption is if you switch potions (FORMAT 0) the sound image needs to rotate, which then happens automatically. In your case it might be switching between audio and video. Remember the AVANT is fully capable of doing a separate 5.1 speaker setup, which might be an alternate way of achieving what you want?
I tried for a long time to make AST work, but I never really managed to get a satisfactory sonic result, perhaps due to different speaker types. The idea is great, but doesn't really work in the real world. In the end it was brute force,- another set of speakers..... Perhaps someone with an actual working AST setup could chip in?
Perhaps I should give the AST a revisit later tonight
As you mention, there is a lot of "Easter egg" functionality in the B&O products, sometime it just very, very hard to find!
Yes. But I don't not seem to understand what the sense of defining audio profiles is when you later can't make use of them - at least not easily and at least not of all of them.
Maybe a Beo 6 helps?
Manbearpig: Maybe a Beo 6 helps? Kai
Exactly...
From the User Guide for the BV7-40/55 about the AST feature:
’To enjoy the advantages of this setup, several speakers and a Beo6 remote control are necessary. If you have only a few speakers or a Beo4 remote control, this setup is not recommended and you should choose the setup without Adaptive Sound Technology’
Just wanted to say that Beo5/6 resolves the issue of speaker selection. Apparently, this can only be done with the use of those remotes, but not with any other B&O remote. But the way it can be done with the Beo5/6 is very satisfactory nonetheless. Easy navigation and perfect selection opportunities. Great remotes by the way, now that I have come to use and understand the config tool. Why are they so unpopular? There are several clear advantages.