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Will the Beosound Moment -- or more aptly -- how quickly will the beosound Moment have Apple Music available for subscribers through a software update?
That would involve Apple opening up their API. Seeing as they never did with iTunes I can't imagine them doing so with Apple Music. Spotify won't open up their API either.
Ah, you know... A little B&O here, a little there
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.
Spotify have a developer API... But I agree that it is unlikely that Apple will.
Beoworld app with direct photo upload and emoticons.
Chris, sound will be 256AAC.
Graphic design layout looks excellent. I won't subscribe to it simply because I like to buy and own my music but for those who stream, it looks fantastic. I still love TuneIn for its quirky stations :)
Raeuber:I was very impressed by the presentation of Apple Music yesterday. Another reason why I would never buy a Moment, because I want to be independent regarding the music streaming service I want to use; I don't want to wait or to pray for software updates from B&O that will never come. I think I will switch from Spotify to Apple Music, especially when the new Apple TV will be available later this year, surely with a great implementation of Apple Music. Regards Räuber
Raeuber:I think I will switch from Spotify to Apple Music, especially when the new Apple TV will be available later this year, surely with a great implementation of Apple Music. Regards Räuber
StUrrock:Quite agree just having Deezer as the one streaming service, Is a great disadvantage in today's market place. It's like saying in UK TV terms, sorry this TV only works with Virgin sorry it won't work with Sky or BT Vision. I know for a fact that TV buyers would not stand for that.
Regards
Räuber
One of the main reasons, that B&O has choosen to cooperate with Deezer is, that they are the only ones, that allows for playing multiple streams with one account in a setup like the B&O NL.
This will be one of the main advantages of the coming multiroom update.
Spotify, WIMP/Tidal.... won't allow for that.
Since we - from an overall point of view - have access to the same artists/albums/titles, I have no worries there.
If you the native app's of the streaming services, the interface might be the reason to pick one over the other.
With the integration in the interface of the BS Moment, you would hardly notice any difference.
Apple Music seems great, but you are stock with AirPlay (which is not everyones delight) and only one stream.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Chris Townsend: Why do Sonos buyers who spend a fifth on their speakers, get Deezer flak lossless quality, whilst somebody driving some Beolab 5's has to make do with 320 mbps? Madness
Why do Sonos buyers who spend a fifth on their speakers, get Deezer flak lossless quality, whilst somebody driving some Beolab 5's has to make do with 320 mbps? Madness
It seems that Sonos has managed to negotiate an exclusive deal with Deezer.
Sonos is a major company, B&O isn't.
I expect, that - sooner or later - the lossless version of Deezer will be available to more companies - and so to B&O on Moment etc.
P.S.
'At least the Beosound 5 supported Spotify, and had a search function!!!!'
The Spotify-search function on the BS5 was/is a pita ;-(
Millemissen:One of the main reasons, that B&O has choosen to cooperate with Deezer is, that they are the only ones, that allows for playing multiple streams with one account in a setup like the B&O NL. This will be one of the main advantages of the coming multiroom update. Spotify, WIMP/Tidal.... won't allow for that. Since we - from an overall point of view - have access to the same artists/albums/titles, I have no worries there. If you the native app's of the streaming services, the interface might be the reason to pick one over the other. With the integration in the interface of the BS Moment, you would hardly notice any difference. Apple Music seems great, but you are stock with AirPlay (which is not everyones delight) and only one stream. MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
Millemissen:Since we - from an overall point of view - have access to the same artists/albums/titles, I have no worries there.
I agree with this to a point as i mainly use radio like TuneIn Radio - so all the same radio stations are there, just like in the Avant, so the one service is fine for me and if that's deezer thats cool, but i generally buy music, so radio is fine.
But I am not sure if all streaming music services have access to the same artist albums, etc? I know not all streaming video services have access to the same TV shows / movies.
What is interesting is that the growth of all of these music services and the choices they offer.
With spotify, deezer, tidal and apple music (as well as others) do you really believe each of them has enough to survive and compete? Surely in the next year or so one will emerge as the definitive choice?
Ben
Wat I didn't see in Apple Music introduction is the support of major record labels.
To my knowledge Apple doesn't have an agreement with the major companies yet.
Someone above here remarked not to be dependable on the Moment and the possibilities of the Moment. But, with succes, isn't this exactly the business model of Apple.
Will the next step be, to stop iTunes so everybody must stay with AppleMusic? Then they recreated the dependancies like in the iPod days again.
I believe the last of the big companies to agree happened on Sunday, the day before the conference. That last big company to agree was Sony.
The reason why Apple decided to stick with 256AAC is simple - it works for them and it works well. There simply is not the demand to go lossless. It's clear that the most powerful company in the world is doing continuous research. The hardest part for the new generation is getting them to part with a tiny amount of money each month to pay for this service. Why do you think rumours of Apple lossless for iTunes has remained a rumour since 2010? If the majority of people are now listening via Bluetooth headphones, Bluetooth speakers and in their car, they are not going to hear the difference between a well recorded 256AAC or a Lossless.
Carolpa:Wat I didn't see in Apple Music introduction is the support of major record labels. To my knowledge Apple doesn't have an agreement with the major companies yet.
Ben_S: What is interesting is that the growth of all of these music services and the choices they offer. With spotify, deezer, tidal and apple music (as well as others) do you really believe each of them has enough to survive and compete? Surely in the next year or so one will emerge as the definitive choice? Ben
If you'd wait for what might happen, you'll never be able to chooce any service.
And B&O would not be able to offer a modern music system.
Don't forget Apple Music has the backing of Jimmy Iovine. He's the biggest contact in the music industry and believe me in the music industry, that's what it's all about. They have the backing and finance and creativity to make it truly work!
Apple Music will be integrated in the Autumn to Apple TV.
Raeuber: Carolpa: Wat I didn't see in Apple Music introduction is the support of major record labels. To my knowledge Apple doesn't have an agreement with the major companies yet. With Apple Music you'll have access to 43 million songs of their ITunes library, with Spotify to 30 million. I have already checked ITunes for artists and songs not available at Spotify: I found them all at ITunes!
Carolpa: Wat I didn't see in Apple Music introduction is the support of major record labels. To my knowledge Apple doesn't have an agreement with the major companies yet.
With Apple Music you'll have access to 43 million songs of their ITunes library, with Spotify to 30 million.
I have already checked ITunes for artists and songs not available at Spotify: I found them all at ITunes!
What can I say - other than go for it!
Will be fine in a ML-setup like yours.
B&O won't be able to built a (NL-) BS around Apple Music.
It is your choice.
Raeuber:With Apple Music you'll have access to 43 million songs of their ITunes library, with Spotify to 30 million. I have already checked ITunes for artists and songs not available at Spotify: I found them all at ITunes!
How impressive! That woud take me >200 year continiously listening to hear them all (assumption: every song has a duration of 3 min)!!!!
With 15000 own music files I don't have time available to listen to them regulary. And stll I want to discover new music.............. So whats the point of the amount in iTunes or in Spotify
The BEATS 1 radio station on Apple Music is great for discovering new music Carolpa. Plus it's commercial free which is fantastic news. The UK radio has now killed off music with their 8 adverts in a row! Zane Lowe really knows his stuff and will make this a very interesting listen!
Paul W: The BEATS 1 radio station on Apple Music is great for discovering new music Carolpa. Plus it's commercial free which is fantastic news. The UK radio has now killed off music with their 8 adverts in a row! Zane Lowe really knows his stuff and will make this a very interesting listen!
How do you know? Is it already broadcasting? Or is it a presumption?
How does one station give great discoveries for everybody? Do they know I'm in for classic? Or not and do I prefer jazz, or rock?
My point: maybe it will be a great station, but be realistic, it cannot serve everybody!
Carolpa:How impressive! That woud take me >200 year continiously listening to hear them all (assumption: every song has a duration of 3 min)!!!! With 15000 own music files I don't have time available to listen to them regulary. And stll I want to discover new music.............. So whats the point of the amount in iTunes or in Spotify
Raeuber: don't want to listen to ALL songs. But with a library of 43 million songs I have a better chance to find what I'm looking for.
And you have a hugh pile of sh#t you never think of listen to.
What make you sure, what you are calling "stealing", won't happen in AppleMusic. Maybe you are rigth maybe you're not!
One can expect something from Apple, but don't give them to much credits on forehand
NB: did you ever thought about the source of the amount of differences in iTunes and Spotify
Also, FYI, slightly misleading from yesterday!
http://9to5mac.com/2015/06/09/apple-music-itunes-catalog/
You're right Carolpa but Beats 1 is moving radio in a damn good direction. The UK radio scene died a death because of the fat cats buying the really creative stations and then watered them down. An example is Heart. A very popular station in the UK with less than 22 songs on a playlist and 8 really poorly produced adverts every few minutes. You can stop listening to this state for FIVE YEARS, switch it back on AND you'll hear Robbie Williams with Angel. Certainly it was radio station like this that killed off radio and made streaming services so popular. Apple should be congratulated for taking radio back to the golden age of radio with this new way forward!
Ben_S:Also, FYI, slightly misleading from yesterday!http://9to5mac.com/2015/06/09/apple-music-itunes-catalog/ Ben
Raeuber:At the end of the day buying CDs will remain the best option for me. Then I'm the owner of the music, not only a listener!
I totally agree; or buy BR - DVD -SACD
And often (almost) the same price as for the download!
And you can rip (some easy; some hard; some not) it to the format(s) you want and/or prefer.
Raeuber: At the end of the day buying CDs will remain the best option for me. Then I'm the owner of the music, not only a listener!
At the end of the day buying CDs will remain the best option for me. Then I'm the owner of the music, not only a listener!
Does it really have to be an 'either one or the other'?
I do both - and I spend less money on it, than before.
My CD (or rather physical disc) shopping habbits have changed.
Now I buy, what I can't have on the streaming service, special editions with a DVD included, multichannel music, BluRay Audio disc etc...
No worries there.
I have acess to much more music, than before - and I have less discs on my shelve, that I only listened to once or twice.
Why make a problem of something, that is no problem
Paul is correct on this one again.
This is a worldwide implementation of Apple Music and the update of iTunes. Almost all of the big labels and indies are onboard with this and it will be ready in July. Beats 1 means there will be more Beats as in 2,4,5 etc and in various languages. Beats 1 is the first because it is in English and the easiest to get started. I expect the Chinese to have a Beats station soon. Apple could do high resolution if necessary but why? Everyone is using devices in which 256 AAC sounds great.
The pace of the WWDG presentation was very fast. They all spoke quickly and gave really quick demos. The reason is they had a lot to present and it was done in 2 hours. I had to watch it twice to more fully understand. The Apple TV wasn't mentioned but it very important. It will be the home music center, home automation device, and much more especially with developer apps. That will be the competition for the Beosound Moment or at least B&O needs to come up with a way they can work with Apple TV on the local network. Apple TV using HDMI on a Beovision is the easiest but not everyone likes that.
For Apple, there is much more coming.
Finally there is Deezer. It is not available in the US. When it launches, nobody will care. One can imagine if you ask what Deezer is you may get curious answers. Deezer is a loser. Tidal is too expensive. I do like Qobuz because it helps me improve my French but really it won't get too far in North America much less China.
@linder
Can I borrow your crystal ball for a while
One wonders if Apple logo'd knee pads are part of the swag at WWDC...
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
Too right Linder. Apple Music launches on the Apple TV platform in the Autumn and my gosh, that beautiful graphic design layout will look amazing on the big screen. Certainly it will look incredible at the B&O showrooms on say on BV11. Again, this is my argument why the Apple route is the best bet snd why the B&O PLAY range in particular has such a strong future!
It's also very interesting for B&O with a SONOS equivalent as Apple Music has made the SONOS system rather redundant due to the fact that it can't use it! Don't forget up to 6 multiple account are available on Apple Music for 5dollars more a month.
Millemissen: @linder Can I borrow your crystal ball for a while MM
Ok. I will admit it. I watch Apple very carefully because I am a shareholder (not large) and a beta tester. I also own a Mac Pro cylinder and have had Macs for a long time. I was a fan of Bang and Olufsen before I was an Apple fan.
It really doesn't require a crystal ball. Apple has a lot of money and has hired a lot of really smart people. You can expect they will innovate their own products or look at trends and then make it their innovation. Steve Jobs never said they would build a television but did say Apple had solved the TV situation. He then kept insisting Apple TV was a hobby. What a hobby! The rest is history and now the future. B&O should see that.
we tend to forget there is more to design than designing.
I'm really enjoying this discussion. I'm keen on learning as much about Apple Music as I can. My wife is very excited about Apple Music, as she's constantly moving around with her A2 streaming from her iphone -- so the Moment doesn't interest her. For me though, I've been seriously considering purchase of the Moment as soon as it is launched in the States. The prospect of never having Apple Music integrated into the Moment is an important consideration. As I currently use HomeMedia and Apple TV to listen to music through the speakers attached to the BV11. I'd love to just use the Moment to consolidate all of my online and local music sources. Isn't that the purpose of the Moment anyway?
If the Moment's SW updates don't begin to include popular services (which don't have licensing issues attached, of course), that is a significant obstacle to the product's long term success. This is B&O's flagship audio master, after all. Apple has already said Apple Music will be available on Android, why stop there. I think B&O should reach out to Apple and engage. Maybe they are already! (crossing my fingers)
Maybe the girls and boys at the California firm which is apparently now in charge of the Moment's SW have already plans in place to integrate Apple Music.
My next purchase in B&O products just got a bit more complicated.