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As the mistress is not at home this evening i had the chance to have some "fun listening session".
But i am wondering, whether i am missing a Beolab2.
So here is what i did:
Listening to my set of favorite DVDs (not Blu-Rays) with music concerts from:
- Jarre in China from Jean-Mechel Jarre, mostly the "drummer track"
- Hell freezes over from the Eagles, only first Track Hotel California
- Pulse from Pink Floyd, Tracks Sorrow, One of these days, On the run, Comfortably Numb, Run like Hell
- Live at the Albert Hall from David Gilmour, Tracks Red Sky at Night and Comfortably Numb.
So, basically a lot of bass-tended songs. I played them with a fair sound level (i really appreciated, that the mistress was not at home ;-)
My current setup is a Beoplay V1 40 with 2 Beolab 9 in front and 2 Beolab 3 in back.
My former setup was Avant 32 DVD, 2 Beolab Penta MKIII in front, 2 Beolab 8000 MKI in back and a Beolab2 as Subwoofer.
I own the above mentioned DVD since years, played them frequently.
And it seems to me, that my former setup performed better (at least in the way i like it) than my current, although the "Bass-Setting" of former setup was about "+2" and in current setup it is maxed.
I am missing the punch in the gut i was used to with my former setup!
When i look to the specs...lot's of Bass power more in the current setup than in the former setup, but do i miss the low frequencies below 120khz?
Would an additional Beolab2 have a huge impact? What about a Beolab 11? Or should i play with the advanced audio settings?
Last option: Could it be that my ears are tired of listening to this kind of sound and therefore fool my cognition?
Any advise is appreciated,
Kiwi
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.
I think a Beolab 11 would be too subtle for your needs.
Next time she is away for a weekend with the girls, arrange to borrow a Beolab 2 from a friendly dealer with insurance and max out
BeoNut since '75
As Chris rightly says, the Beolab 2 is very effective for movies, less so for music, particularly electronic music. I got rid of my BL2 years ago.
However, I now own two BL11s and am pleased with the performance. Granted, they are no way near the level of the BL2, but they do improve the bass performance for both movies and music. One BL11 is connected to my BL3s and has improved the audio, the other connected to my BV11.
The BL11s were both ex-display units from my dealer, so they were worth purchasing.
The Pentas you had also had a slight bass uplift at around the 120Hz mark (to mask the lack of really low bass ability). A lot of people like this characteristic which you will miss in properly set up BL9s, which have a much flatter and truer response. I still have my inaccurate Pentas!
Peter
Sorry for the slight thread hijack - Moxxey, how do you find the BL11 with your BV11? (I have a BV11-46, and have just added some BL6002's, so keen to know whether you notice a big difference with the BL11 connected).
Thanks, Matt
mjones007: Sorry for the slight thread hijack - Moxxey, how do you find the BL11 with your BV11? (I have a BV11-46, and have just added some BL6002's, so keen to know whether you notice a big difference with the BL11 connected).
I've not tried the BV11 without the BL11, so difficult to make a call. The BL11 is a throwback to my BV10 days where it did make a big difference. I'd assume there's an improvement, just not as much as the BV10.
I found the BL2 a little too loose for music so I sold it, but it is a fine piece no less. I removed one of the passive radiators on mine once to look inside and make sure it was clean and was pleasantly greeted by a huge transformer and very high quality electronics. The really nice thing about the BL2 is the custom crossover for different Beolab speaker types.
It probably works best with BL1s but I just didn't find that it was what I wanted for music. For movies it would be up there with the best. And at 3500.00 it better be.
Thanks moxxey, I'll see if I can borrow one from my local dealer for a test at some point in the near future and see if there is a noticeable difference (substantial enough to justify the cost of adding one to the set-up).
eddie1lancs:I have a similar interest, at the moment we have a Beosound 5 & a beovision 7-32 (soon to be replaced by a 10-46). We are missing a sub but as we use the system for both music and films, I am wondering if either of the B&O subs are appropriate for our system. I have been looking at the B&W PV1-d and it looks quite good, anyone have any experience with this product, and is it easy to integrate with B&O? Cheers
Cheers
It looks like it's got about half the power of the Beolab 2 (not that it necessarily matters). I don't know if you mentioned having separate B&O speakers, but that is where the Lab 2 really shines. As it connects in between the source component and a power link speaker set, crossing over the frequency within the sub itself so no other setup is necessary. The B&W sub would have to come off a line level output in some form or fashion, such as a powerlink to RCA conversion cable, but it can certainly be done. It will be independent of the speakers and you'll have to adjust the xover.
Playdrv4me:It looks like it's got about half the power of the Beolab 2 (not that it necessarily matters). I don't know if you mentioned having separate B&O speakers, but that is where the Lab 2 really shines. As it connects in between the source component and a power link speaker set, crossing over the frequency within the sub itself so no other setup is necessary. The B&W sub would have to come off a line level output in some form or fashion, such as a powerlink to RCA conversion cable, but it can certainly be done. It will be independent of the speakers and you'll have to adjust the xover. Beosound 9000, Beocenter 9500, Beogram 9500, Beomaster 8000, Beomaster 7000, BeoLink 7000, BeoLink 1000 1, BeoLink 1000 2, Beo4, BeoLab 1, BeoLab 5, BeoLab 6000, BeoVox RL6000, BeoVox S80.2, JBL XPL-140
eddie1lancs: Playdrv4me: It looks like it's got about half the power of the Beolab 2 (not that it necessarily matters). I don't know if you mentioned having separate B&O speakers, but that is where the Lab 2 really shines. As it connects in between the source component and a power link speaker set, crossing over the frequency within the sub itself so no other setup is necessary. The B&W sub would have to come off a line level output in some form or fashion, such as a powerlink to RCA conversion cable, but it can certainly be done. It will be independent of the speakers and you'll have to adjust the xover. Beosound 9000, Beocenter 9500, Beogram 9500, Beomaster 8000, Beomaster 7000, BeoLink 7000, BeoLink 1000 1, BeoLink 1000 2, Beo4, BeoLab 1, BeoLab 5, BeoLab 6000, BeoVox RL6000, BeoVox S80.2, JBL XPL-140 I do have other B&O speakers, 4x Beolab 6000's at the moment, I will be upgrading 2 of those to 8002's at some point. I don't want to compromise the set-up by buying something that doesn't integrate as well as a B&O product would. Having said that I am also aware of some people's opinions on here that a Beolab 2 can be a bit too much when listening to music. Maybe I should try and demo one!
Playdrv4me: It looks like it's got about half the power of the Beolab 2 (not that it necessarily matters). I don't know if you mentioned having separate B&O speakers, but that is where the Lab 2 really shines. As it connects in between the source component and a power link speaker set, crossing over the frequency within the sub itself so no other setup is necessary. The B&W sub would have to come off a line level output in some form or fashion, such as a powerlink to RCA conversion cable, but it can certainly be done. It will be independent of the speakers and you'll have to adjust the xover. Beosound 9000, Beocenter 9500, Beogram 9500, Beomaster 8000, Beomaster 7000, BeoLink 7000, BeoLink 1000 1, BeoLink 1000 2, Beo4, BeoLab 1, BeoLab 5, BeoLab 6000, BeoVox RL6000, BeoVox S80.2, JBL XPL-140
Beosound 9000, Beocenter 9500, Beogram 9500, Beomaster 8000, Beomaster 7000, BeoLink 7000, BeoLink 1000 1, BeoLink 1000 2, Beo4, BeoLab 1, BeoLab 5, BeoLab 6000, BeoVox RL6000, BeoVox S80.2, JBL XPL-140
I do have other B&O speakers, 4x Beolab 6000's at the moment, I will be upgrading 2 of those to 8002's at some point. I don't want to compromise the set-up by buying something that doesn't integrate as well as a B&O product would. Having said that I am also aware of some people's opinions on here that a Beolab 2 can be a bit too much when listening to music. Maybe I should try and demo one!
If you have the luxury of having a B&O store nearby then by all means arrange a demo, or arrange one with someone from the forum if they own one and live nearby. There is a switch on the BL2 that selects the speaker type and the middle position is for Beolab 4000/6000 and 8000 if I recall correctly, it will do all the work from there. You may indeed find it to be too much. I didn't get that impression, I just felt it was a little too slow to react in fast music passages.
Buy one. Can't be wrong.........
Peter. You are always the wise one. I wish you well Teddy. You're as good as Leslie!!!!!
Thanks for your input...i know what to do: meet my B&O dealer and ask for a test of a Beolab 2.
Next problem: convince the mistress to spend that amount of money for something, she will never experience, as i will use it only when she is not at home. I think, i can handle this ;-)