Sound delay when using Sonos through Line-In on Beovision Eclipse

I have connected a Sonos “Connect" through the Line-in jack to my Beovision Eclipse. However, when I play Sonos on other (B&O) speakers in the house, there is a noticeable delay from the Eclipse. Is this a known issue and caused by sound processing or ??  

Sonos is connected through Line-in in the source settings.   Any work arounds?

I tried the same thing on my Beoplay V1 both on the analog AV port and the digital S/PDIF port and there is also a noticeable delay of the sound from the Sonos unit in both cases.

I guess it is the sound processing in the TV as you also say

My solution was to buy an Almando power link switch https://almando.com/index.php/b-o/bo-und-sonos/almando-multiplay-stereo.html and connect in between the Sonos connect, the tv and the external speakers normally connected to my tv.

This way the Sonos Connect will play through the external speakers, but when the tv turns on the sound from sonos will be cut of and the TV takes over the speakers.

I have seen other members on the forum recommend this product which will do the same https://shop.oneremote.dk/en/product/oneremote-powerlink-switch/

Of course these solutions will only work if you have external speakers connected to hour tv

malherbe_dk:

I have connected a Sonos “Connect" through the Line-in jack to my Beovision Eclipse. However, when I play Sonos on other (B&O) speakers in the house, there is a noticeable delay from the Eclipse. Is this a known issue and caused by sound processing or ??

Sonos is connected through Line-in in the source settings. Any work arounds?

Do you have all of your products hard wired to a network? If not have you adjusted the network delay settings within Settings > Sound & BeoLink > Network Delay.

Can I ask what is the Sonos bringing to the Eclipse setup and other B&O speakers?

w5bno123:

Can I ask what is the Sonos bringing to the Eclipse setup and other B&O speakers?

Sonos is a multiroom sound system with integration of a lot of different music services. If there is sonos speakers in the rest of the house it makes good sense to use a sonos connect with a tv and its connected speakers

madskp:

Sonos is a multiroom sound system with integration of a lot of different music services. If there is sonos speakers in the rest of the house it makes good sense to use a sonos connect with a tv and its connected speakers

The OP has an Eclipse TV with multiroom audio sources integrated that can handle different audio sources, there’s also other B&O speakers around the house so why would you need a Sonos unless the Sonos ZP is connected to the B&O speakers?!

All equipment work on WIFI so no hard wiring at all.... Just trying to get sound through the speaker on the Eclipse....

 

I use Sonos as the multiroom music system - some rooms have a Sonos proprietary speaker and some rooms the Sonos is connected to B&= speakers for better sound...

So I received a reply from B&O's technical department;

The delay on the Eclipse is due to the sound processing in the ASE (Audio Stream Engine) in the SoundCenter. Right now all sound inputs are routed through the ASE, which causes a small delay in the sound when using Line-in. We have a "Request For Change" in our system to have this as an option on the Eclipse, but I have no update on when this will be a feature.

Thanks to all for input!

I finally ran into this issue with a customer who we upgraded to Sonos everywhere.   The TV set has the toslink connection from the Sonos.  The delay is obvious when you join a few of the close by zones to the group.   Hopefully the delay can be removed by firmware.   

I have asked B&O multiple times for this to no avail.

The sound needs to bypass the eclipse sound processing unit and apparently this is not high on the priority list...

I’m looking at buying an Eclipse and would be looking to join to my existing Sonos network for multi-room.
The new Sonos Port (that has replaced the Connect) has support for AirPlay2. Rather than connecting the Sonos Port to the Eclipse via Line In would it be possible to connect the Sonos Port via AirPlay2?

My thinking is that Airplay2 is more for playing music straight off of your Apple device rather than using is to connect from Sonos to the BeoVision Eclipse. I may not be understanding Airplay2 correctly. 

Thanks 

Liamba:

Rather than connecting the Sonos Port to the Eclipse via Line In would it be possible to connect the Sonos Port via AirPlay2?

Alas not.  The Sonos Port can *receive* sound via AirPlay2.  Only an Apple device (Mac, iThing) can *send* sound via AirPlay2.  So (for now, with the current Apple licensing scheme) the Sonos cannot send sound via AirPlay2.

 

Ok, thanks for the quick reply. 

I think I have a solution. If you have an Apple device you can use AirPlay 2 but you will need one of the Sonos zones you want to play to be one of the newer AirPlay 2 devices.

I have just tested Spotify from my iPhone to connect via AP2 to a Samsung TV and an AP2 Sonos device and once connected I was able to add all of my non-AP2 Sonos zones. Replace my Samsung with your Eclipse and it’s a replica of your set up.

in this example you don’t even use the Connect you have attached to your Eclipse but I would imagine you would retain them when playing in the one zone  

I’m keen to buy an Eclipse but this delay has put me off until now. Does mean I’ll need to replace a Sonos Connect Amp with the new Sonos Amp in the next door room to give me AP2 in the neighbouring zone. 

Next decision is whether to hold out for the new Eclipse.  

You are correct.  There are 3 caveats: (1) Spotify works fine via AirPlay2 to all sources, and should even be in sync across the grouped Sonos zones as well -- but you cannot use Spotify Connect as you could with the Sonos gear.  Therefore you cannot turn off your iDevice while playing because it is the source of the music, not Spotify's servers "bare" from the Internet, as it would be with Spotify Connect.  (2) You are not using the Sonos app.  So no multi-service search integration with the local library.  (Of course local library can still be played back, via iTunes->AirPlay2 instead.)  (3) You really really really need good Wi-Fi coverage to all your destinations (speakers).  Yes, you can rely on the SonosNet 2.4GHz mesh to pipe the music to all your grouped old Sonos zones, but for all the AirPlay2 destinations, a good, uninterrupted signal is required, even given AirPlay2's better buffering versus AirPlay(1).

The answer to your question is that for each Sonos zone where you wish to use it *singly*, and not in tandem with your (one?  main?) AirPlay2 Sonos zone (via a Sonos group), then yes, you need to replace it so that zone also supports AirPlay2.  Alternatively, depending on how much fussing around with groups you can tolerate, the one, "main" AirPlay2 Sonos zone can be silent!  E.g. a Sonos Port, connected to nothing at all, just sitting there being an AirPlay2 renderer, to which you group your other old Sonos zones, even for just one room!

Obviously a B&O aficionado will tell you that "tap to join" is *soooo* much easier to use -- put down that d***n iThing and stop with the Sonos group-grope already...  If only the B&O speakers as of this date all supported that, and if they didn't cost a factor of 4!