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Nite nite everyone.
I came across and ad for a phillips pronto device full in box.
And wanted to check with you that this is the only hardware needed to learn "any" IR code to feed the Beo6?
I think I've understood that i will need some more software to convert formats: are this software available and is the conversion something easy done?
You have understand my goal: being able to use the Beo6 with any IR controllable device and being autonomous to program it as needed.
Did a quick search on this forum and the archived one but didn't find and clear answer and some intel about "protected codes" add confusion to me.
Thanks a lot.
The Philips Pronto was state of the art in terms of remote control, much more advanced than e.g. Logitech Harmony remote controls and there where many code converting possibilities. If you like the Pronto and it can learn all IR codes you need, go for it. Try the software on your computer before if possible. Keep in mind that Windows 10 is a source of problems, too with older hard- and software (driver support for example).Other systems that can lean IR codes:- RTI- Crestron- LintronicEasy learning and convertig of IR codes into B&O format is done with the Lintronic converter which can generate XML files, too:
www.lintronic.dk
http://www.lintronic.dk/CodeLearn.pdfIf you have Pronto codes, you don't need the Lintronic hardware according to Keith's helpful site:http://beo5.beoworld.org/Using%20the%20Lintronic%20Software.htm
There was a Beo 5 XML converter on Beoworld, too.
RTI is easy, too. Here's the biggest problem: Where to get the software. They have very great and capable hardware and the software is relatively easy, too. Crestron can do everything but is very complicated and the software is not accessible for private customers.
Hi TWG,
Thank you for your answer. This things doesn't seems to have an easy answer!
Well, to me it was more the offer making the possibility: Fond a Pro,to RU950 as new, full in box for 50€. SO i wondered if it gonna be enough to be able to clone "any" remote into the Beo6. But seems it's not that easy and the problem would be more to transfer the code after relevant conversion into the B&O remote.
What I understand from your answer is.
- The Pronto device should be able to learn the code. But it will need conversion.
- You need the intronic software for that: but the link you provide is dead and as far as i understand the software need a paying license.
- Other solution are or complicated or difficult to find. And i suppose they will need a complementary specific hardware too?
I've have 3 beo6 which i get for free ro close too, And i like to "play" with it like I did with the CT to display full size pictures on the screen.Meaning that i would rather a "cheap" or "free" solution. Or at least not an heavy investment.
There is a lot of topics about IR codes, conversion, timings, but they're all quite difficult to understand to my "copy/paste" knowledge :-)
Anyway, thanks for helping.
Well after a little more digging I've found this old thread which seems to confirm that there's no "easy" solution to convert Pronto codes to Beo6 natively understandable IR codes (appart from the iPad app if I'm not wrong, but won't work for me as I do not own such device).
https://archivedarchivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/t/31348.aspx
I've looked around to find a copy of the old Lintonic configurator named in the thread, which do not need hardware to work but without success.
Please feel free to tell me i'm wrong!
You may wish to look HERE
You may also wish to look HERE
With knowledge you can create an XML file for Beo5/6 for almost any product. There are a few limitations, but for all the common remotes there is no problem.
If for example the remote IR signal you are trying to convert is the very common NEC 32 bit protocol then everyone one can be converted as it is built into the Beo5/6 firmware.
Regards Keith....
Hi Keith,
To be honest I was hoping you will chime in at a certain point.
Thanks to pointing me those links. I've have already seen them but as you mentioned them I took care to read them carefully.
I've then learned that NEC and RC5 type IR codes are natively compatible with CT.
The second part is a little bit more fuzzy to me: "and for others I use the little understood "Bitstream" encoding to achieve ALL the functionally of the original remote for 99% of third party products." Could you explain or orient me to understand it?
I've also understood that the "missing link" between Pronto RU950 and Beo6 is the tool you have developed. But from what I read it is not publicly available.
So here I am still. Thank you anyway.
Reply with a few commands you have pronto codes of and I will convert them to a working XML file for your Beo6
I will then explain how the conversion is achieved and "Bitstream" in detail which will take me sometime to write because its complex.
In laymans terms "Bitstream" means constructing every part of the IR waveform including pulse and pause (space) width, carrier frequency within the pulse, start pulse and pause widths and checksum calculation. It means you can construct ANY IR signal no matter what protocol it uses from any IR transmitting remote.
Thank you Keith for your proposal.
Right now it wouldn't make sense to send you any pronto codes. I hanvent bought the device yet so any codes i would send wouldn't be of any use to me after you convert them.
Hum, the Bitstream method looks like very complex. Not sure i would be able to use it so maybe it's not worth spending your time in explaining it. At least for me only. But thank you anyway.
Regards.
Hi Kieth,
I have downloaded "Beo5 3rd Party XML Generator Upgrade Version 1.1.0" from here but when I open it it is asking me which program I want to open it with.
Can you give me some help on how to run it. I either have a Windows 10 64bit PC or a Windows XP 32bit Virtual machine which I use to programe my Beo5.
Many thanks
Stoobie
Maybe an answer here?
https://archivedarchivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/t/32453.aspx
Hi Matador.
That did help. When you download the the file it has no extension. I added ".msi" and it has installed
Thank you
Happy it helped,
Please keep us posted about your investigations with the tool.
You need to know that I wrote this programme before Windows 8 & 10 existed, but it should work.on Windows 10.
Also this is a very basic first version of automatically building an XML convertor, but it does work, but limited functionality. I am prepared to offer on a case by case basis my final version for any member who really wants to get into creating XML files if they sign up as a gold member.
Like many members all those years ago I started by using the Lintonics to learn IR codes, but could not get positive results on all remotes, so I ended up using a PicoScope which is what B&O used for creating the PUC entries and I also used IR Widget with IR Scope for the most complex remote protocols.
As you may guess the most complex IR code to decode is B&O code. Having said that have you ever asked yourself why the batteries in B&O remotes last so long? This is a question for all members and I will give you the answer in a few days time.
Keith Saunders: You need to know that I wrote this programme before Windows 8 & 10 existed, but it should work.on Windows 10.
It does open on Windows 10 64bit. When you download it it does not have a file extension so I had to add . msi and then it opened.
Keith Saunders:As you may guess the most complex IR code to decode is B&O code.
Keith,
I don't want to argue or kind of negotiate (remember i'm not english native speaking so some nuances could be lost in translation)…
But I believe most people including me want the opposite: not decode B&O streams but decode non B&O streams and encode them for use with Beo5/6 for those who still use it and believe in it.
You look like having the solution but keeping it. I understand that and respect your choice. That's why I'm not pushing to ask for anyone to "share" the clue.
But making mysteries or conditions (constant pushes to membership) is not helping the whole forum image and just keep some profiles "leeching".
Again, I respect you because I've read a lot you wrote, and you helped me even without knowing it. But I also believe some things needs to be said.
Maybe it's not the right time. Maybe it's not the right way, and I apologies for that. Feel free to delete my post if it's offending. And I would be happy and honored you discuss if you fancy.
Anyway, the battery lasting, teasing is very… Teasing.
Regards and respects, Keith,
M.
matador43:But I believe most people including me want the opposite: not decode B&O streams but decode non B&O streams and encode them for use with Beo5/6 for those who still use it and believe in it.
Of course you don't want to decode B&O IR protocol, that was not the point. The point is that some IR protocols are much harder to decode and convert than others like, say the NEC protocol and I offered the B&O protocol as one of the hardest to decode for many reasons, then I offered a teaser as to why that was the case.
Keith Saunders:Of course you don't want to decode B&O IR protocol, that was not the point. The point is that some IR protocols are much harder to decode and convert than others like, say the NEC protocol and I offered the B&O protocol as one of the hardest to decode for many reasons, then I offered a teaser as to why that was the case. Regards Keith....
You are correct.
The pulse width is very small (Nano seconds) where as most IR protocol codes like the popular NEC has pulse width of 1.12 milliseconds and a carrier frequency of 38 Khz.
The circuit only draws current from the battery when the emitting semiconductor switches on which is just a few nano seconds.
Also the carrier frequency only exists with the pulse, not the pause (semiconductor off situation)