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Having got my BC8000 up and running, I think maybe I'd like a Beolink 1000 just because why not, really? So, I went on eBay, found that there were plenty, and ran a "completed listings" search, to see what sort of price they really end up at. What I found astonished me; prices well under a tenner for ones with a bit of wear, up to £20 or so for shiny ones, but a specialist reseller had listed and sold a used one for £68! I can understand why you might pay £500 or so for an older Beocentre from such a reseller, because it will have been tested and come with a warranty etc, but this seems like an immense amount of money for a remote, am I wrong? B&O seems to have a particularly active base of professional resellers, perhaps because of the strength of the brand, and the fact that new B&O has always been bought by people who can think about quality and service and not really worry about money, so I suppose buying used or vintage, they tend to think the same way.
"The usual suspects" i would say. There are a lot of more or less professional sellers out there. Often the price of their products is higher than the typical auction price. You can only by their products for a higher price.
The interesting fact is, that even if some products are online for a long time, the price doesn't change.
I would not support this business. First because there are a lot of nice auctions if you can wait. And second because (here in Germany) the tax office doesn't like this (often) unannounced commercial trading.
An exception seems to be lifestyle AV. I think you can trust them.
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Good luck with the £10 or £20 auction buys, most of them don't work and the sellers won't accept returns.
They will not work for a multitude of reasons which include worn out buttons internaly, worn buttons externally, buttons missing altogether and the usual battery leakage causing corrosion in the battery compartment.
Whatever you pay, there is nothing worse than a remote that works intermittently!!
I have been a professional reseller on ebay for around 8 years. I am registered for all the government clubs that cost money to join! I am not allowed to advertise on BeoWorld, so I won't.
Those £10 or £20 auction remotes, I throw them in the spares box because they are un-saleable, in my opinion.
I charge between £40-£60 for a BL1000 depending on age and condition and the price is unlikely to be reduced as I am in no rush to sell. For that you get brand new Duracell batteries in every remote which has been fully tested on my own B&O systems. Most have been used by me for a week to check them out.
If you are not happy, for any reason, you can return the remote within 7 days of receipt for a full refund, BY LAW and according to eBay and PayPal rules. In addition, if the remote fails, in normal use, within 90 days of purchase, you can return it for free repair or replacement, if I cannot repair it.
Now, crappy cheapo auction or Professional Reseller, the choice, as they say, is yours!
Regards Graham
Agree with Graham - pay more and you get a remote that has probably had a new keypad and will work. Beolink 1000s are the best remote B&O have made - sturdy and very versatile - worth every penny. I have 4 or 5 around the house.
Peter
I'm with Graham - used cheap remotes are always a crap shoot. If you need a new button mat for example to make it useable, it won't probably be a cheap buy any longer.
The cheapest good remotes come with TVs, often for much less than the remote alone would be worth. I recently paid 20€ for a beautiful, apparently very little used piano black MX4000 for my bedroom - and got a quite nice Beo4 with it.
If a remote looks externally like a 100 monkeys have been using it to build a garden shed, that usually is the case as well! If you buy four of those, you can usually make one or two out of the good parts if they happen to be interchangeable, there are a lot of internal differences between Beolink 1000 versions as well...
--mika
I had luck buying a Beolink 1000 for 25€ plus postage. The former owner didn't take much care of it and spilled a glass of red wine over it. After a complete cleaning the remote looked brand new, no scratches, no damage to the paint or the rubber mat .It works like a charm 'til today.
One can not say in general that remotes for a low price on ebay are crap. Sometimes you can have luck to make the real deal
Regards
Martin
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I don't think that is what we are saying. Auction sites offer the opportunity to get a product cheaply. That is where some resellers will get their equipment n the first place. However they will then fix the bits that don't work. You take a risk that things will not work - the reseller factors into his prices the cost of such repairs and a profit margin. He will however spread the repair costs in such a way that each item will be acceptably priced.
SamWise72:So, I went on eBay, found that there were plenty, and ran a "completed listings" search, to see what sort of price they really end up at
So you're one of them who just watch and don't buy
Brengen & Ophalen
BeoIce: I had luck buying a Beolink 1000 for 25€ plus postage. The former owner didn't take much care of it and spilled a glass of red wine over it. After a complete cleaning the remote looked brand new, no scratches, no damage to the paint or the rubber mat .It works like a charm 'til today. One can not say in general that remotes for a low price on ebay are crap. Sometimes you can have luck to make the real deal Regards Martin
Your remote was certainly not perfect when you bought it as, by your own admission, it had drunk a glass of red wine!!
Some people are either incapable or unwilling to dismantle a remote control, clean it properly and re-assemble it. They expect their purchase to work 100% on delivery.
Happily, they are quite willing to pay for this type of service and backup from a professional.reseller, as my eBay feedback will testify.
How would you get that from me running a search on completed auctions? It's true I've watched a lot of B&O items in the last month, but in my defence, I've bought a BC8000, a BC2002 with S30s, a pair of S45.2s, a Beogram 1202, and a BC4000 with speakers that may never materialise. Those were all more or less bargains, but I bid on lots of other things and just didn't win.
Back on topic, I guess I have my answer. I agree that the work of someone else in refurbishing something should be recoopable, but I can't afford it, so I'll take a risk. I've done this on musical instruments, bicycles, cars and other things, and 8 times out of 10 I've come out on top, defeating expert opinion on what can be done ("You'll never get a decent melodeon in playable condition for £50!" Oh yes I did, and I'm still playing it 4 years later without a drop of work being done. It came from Germany and is in a slightly obscure tuning, but it suits my purposes perfectly). Of course, there is the risk attached to having things posted; all the B&O so far I have picked up, so I've been sure I was getting what was advertised. Still, £65 for a remote I don't really need to go with my £89 Beocentre is not going to fly.
(Above post was in reply to the "You're the one who watches and doesn't bid, but I managed to screw up the quoting!)
A perfectly fair response - and you will win quite a lot of the time. But one day you will get something that seems to work only to fail a short time later and which will cost serious money to fix. I know as I have done this myself! However it is all part of the game! These days, if I want something, I want it just to work and as Graham says, I will be happy to pay for the privilege. There are some things that it is definitely worth paying the money for though - tangential decks being one of them!
I have a couple of spare Beolink 1000's lying around, have sent you a PM. I will of course provide a refund if they aren't as expected
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I appear to have bought a BNIB Beolink 1000 for £21, which probably settles all possible discussions :)
Well done!
Yes, well done.
Sorry if I sound like a smart-*** (there's definitely that side to me). I'm just pleased with how it turned out. Watch now as it turns out looking like it's been shot to the moon and back, and working less well than Venezuelan foreign policy.
Just for the record, it's not me who sold that Beolink 1000 to him.
'seems to be..........I think you can trust them' isn't exactly a stunning endorsement of Lifestyle AV is it? They are certainly a good outfit........... along with others.
Have you had personal experience of using LSAV to make such a comment and experience of other resellers such as Beo4Life, Iconic-AV, morethanAV etc. to make such a statement or is it because of the slogan adapted from Mercedes Advertising and plastered all over Beoworld?
Beoworld was independent but admittedly since Lee started running this as a business with subscriptions etc. it is far better, congrats to Keith et al on the new forum - as Graham has noted he is not allowed to advertise on Beoworld and neither are others.
Ask yourself why Beocentral (the Jarman brothers) have removed all references to morethanAV in light of their involvement with LSAV - if they want to spill some silly excuses on this forum I am sure I can find the email where one talks about 'protecting his own interests and doing what is best for Beocentral in the future.'
My mark is that it was me who suggested to Lee the strap line for Beoworld 'For Everything Bang & Olufsen' which has been slightly adapted but so what? Just annoys me when the impression is that some people are blinkered and potentially would distract interested partied from considering the product range and services/warranty offered by other legitimate trading concerns.
I'm happy to have my product range and warranty compared with any other Company, that is what business is about, not by restricting the general publics awareness of other resellers by restricting advertising on a supposedly independent forum. Beoworld is not independent, simple as. It is run for the professional advancement of LSAV, not that my business is suffering presently simply because people open their eyes and look around on the web!
I never sold the Beolink 1000 either, but if I stood by it with a 12 or 24 month warranty £68 is wholly justifiable.
Søren Hammer:Just for the record, it's not me who sold that Beolink 1000 to him.
your heading says about second hand B & O generally well tbh i'm very disappointed after trying to sell my complete system on ebay and having 10 people watching but no bids or offers.i don't think i was unreasonable in what i wanted for the system 8500 + penta 3's + B &O stand.. £1000 or offer with a 2 months left guarantee. what would you guys think ?
considering how much i paid for this about 4 months ago from a business specialising in second hand refurbed systems i think i was reasonable ?
para999:i don't think i was unreasonable in what i wanted for the system 8500 + penta 3's + B &O stand.. £1000 or offer with a 2 months left guarantee.
Without knowing anything about the condition, I would not call that a bargain. As a private seller, you can never ask as much as businesses do - and the buyers will not pay you as much, because they are not getting the benefits of buying from a professional seller, and are taking most of the risks themselves.
tournedos: para999:i don't think i was unreasonable in what i wanted for the system 8500 + penta 3's + B &O stand.. £1000 or offer with a 2 months left guarantee. Without knowing anything about the condition, I would not call that a bargain. As a private seller, you can never ask as much as businesses do - and the buyers will not pay you as much, because they are not getting the benefits of buying from a professional seller, and are taking most of the risks themselves.
Indeed, if it's the listing I've seen the Beolabs have dents on them. Additionally he'd be better to split the items into separate auctions and put the product name into the heading for search results. Even sell the stand separately. Get rid of the hidden reserve price, nobody likes that and put better pictures showing the dents. Finally look at previous sold items to gauge how much to put them up for.
If you think nobody cares, try missing a couple of payments.
thanks for your reply and in particular to answer the last post from stonk
i cannot take pictures of the small dents as its brushed aluminium and it just doesn't show up.i have researched how much a system like this would cost from a business and its well above what i was asking and it does come with the remainder of the guarantee. although in fairness i ommitted to say that in my listing.i know someone ( private ) is asking in the region of £800 just for the pentas.
para999: i cannot take pictures of the small dents as its brushed aluminium and it just doesn't show up.i have researched how much a system like this would cost from a business and its well above what i was asking and it does come with the remainder of the guarantee. although in fairness i ommitted to say that in my listing.i know someone ( private ) is asking in the region of £800 just for the pentas.
The material is actually stainless steel!
Your pictures look like they were taken during a power cut!
I would not give you any chance of selling it all together, except at a very low price. Split it up into the components, take good pictures, preferably during daylight hours.
Are you sure that the warranty is transferable? If yes then mention it.
The Beocenter 8500 is not the most desireable in the range. One has just sold for a little under £200 which would appear to be average price.
If the Pentas have been refurbed, what has been done, in particular to the midrange drivers? They are expensive to fix. If they really have been refurbed then you might get £650-£700 for them. Remember there is a difference between asking price and price achieved!
The table might make £100-£150
and you have nearly got what you wanted!
I have owned and refurbed a few pentas now. They were mint so once fixed I was getting offers of £1000 or more, but for shipping abroad (so needed boxes). Sold for £560 in the end but that guy also shipped them to Brazil. Pentas, lovely, easy to fix and cheap if you do it yourself. Let me know if you ever need any doing.
ok stainless steel it is but in order to capture the "small" dents the photograph bounces off the surround area i will try photograph them in an area which is lighter.
the warranty is definately transferable i have spoke to the dealer i bought the system from but this transferable warranty is only on the whole system not on individual items. so if i plan on selling the items individually it will only apply to one item. unless one person buys the whole lot.
the pentas have been refurbed by a company called iconic av and what has been done i don't know but in order to offer a full warranty i would imagine all that needs to be done has.
para999: ok stainless steel it is but in order to capture the "small" dents the photograph bounces off the surround area i will try photograph them in an area which is lighter. the warranty is definately transferable i have spoke to the dealer i bought the system from but this transferable warranty is only on the whole system not on individual items. so if i plan on selling the items individually it will only apply to one item. unless one person buys the whole lot. the pentas have been refurbed by a company called iconic av and what has been done i don't know but in order to offer a full warranty i would imagine all that needs to be done has.
That's OK if you can afford to imagine. I would be inclined to ask Jason what he did, as your potential customers are going to want to know, if you want the best price for them.
Well, it's here!
It's clearly genuinely brand new, and works perfectly. Weighs a ton! Nice to have a remote made of metal.
Very well bought!!
Proper bargain!
A B&O dealer would ask over £100 (exchange) for that.
Chris.
That looks like a real bargain.
My experience of buying a Beolink 1000 on eBay:
Great looking photograph, seller described it as perfect and working and would be supplied with new batteries. Bid succeeded at £24.
It was sent rattling around in a home made box, with no packing material whatsoever and the new batteries lying loose in the box. Deep scratch on the black bottom panel (not visible in the photograph). Fully working however and no wear on the pads. So not perfect but probably OK for the price. This highlights one of the great perils of buying on eBay: half the sellers haven't got the first idea about how to pack something properly. A dealer regularly selling particular items is more likely to know how to pack them.......... and the original B&O boxes are hard to beat.
Graham
How to pack properly, that's a big issue, especially with B&O as more than most products B&O O's desirable because of its appearance. And it's really vital on things like their turntables, which can easily be destroyed by bad packing.
Thats one thing that's depressing about shopping on eBay, you see so much B&O gear that's been horrendously abused. It breaks my heart to see such works of are so badly damaged and cared for.
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.