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I am thinking about buying a BV11-55 and I have a few things spinning in my head.• I want the HDD recorder built into the BV11, but I don't think it is worth 5000 SEK. I could add a hard drive myself for almost nothing. So my question is, is this possible? I have been looking at a prototype BV11/BeoSystem 4 board and it looks like it has a SATA-port but I have to see it in better resolution and what kind of cables they use. If standard serial ata and power connectors I think it is possible to just connect a hard drive and that the system will recognize it. Perhaps I´m wrong but that would be very good. • I have a BS9000 that I want to use with the BV11 in the same room. For FM-radio, CD and A.AUX sources. Is this a good idea, and how should I connect it? I might buy the NL/ML converter in the future but it is too much money to spend at the same time so I will have to wait with that. Perhaps it can be used equally good via a audio line-in to the TV? The problem is that I want the TV to turn on the speakers and all without me having to put it into P.MUTE. (I wonder why B&O Engineers haven't made it possible to setup a source to NOT show any picture and just act as a sound input in the V1/BV11/BS4-platform, it should be easily done with a software update, I might suggest it to them but it is impossible to get in touch with the developers unfortunately.).• I don't like the idea to replace my current home cinema setup with a TV that has to turn on to be able to play audio sources. But perhaps that can be fixed in the future, or do anyone have any good ideas? I know about the BeoSound Essense and Playmaker but I can't see that they are supposed to work together in a NL environment or with a TV setup. It would be superb if I could use the speakers without having the TV turn on and then P.MUTE it. The BV11 hardware could probably do the same thing as a playmaker or Essense. • I am very interested in how the BV11 looks inside, I haven't found many pictures of it, just some of it´s assembly in very low quality small pictures. Do anyone have any good pictures of the hardware? • Perhaps it is possible to visit the factory in some way. Since I live just about two hours away I am considering it. If anyone here has the right connection or ideas how to do it. Please let me know!
• B&O currently has a campaign that offers some money of on a trade in of your current tv. It is 13 000 SEK which and I wonder if this is because a new model is on its way? I don't want to buy a tv that is "old" in a few months. Perhaps a new model is on its way with outputs for a projector or something else. Anyone updated on this?
• Another question is regarding sound formats. I will play a lot of video from DLNA and it is very important that it can play back surround formats like DTS, DTS HD-MA and Dolby TrueHD, Dolby 5.1 and so on. I understand that this might be impossible and that B&O recommends that the device (blu ray player for example) is set to output PCM audio and decode the signal in itself. Since the DLNA is built in it makes it impossible to do what B&O says. And not all devices can decode those formats. I should not have to buy a certain device just because B&O don't pay licenses to DTS/dolby. Should not that be in a TV for such a big amount of money? Perhaps it can be fixed with a software update? Or perhaps it just works? Anyone knows? According to the "Supported formats guide" on B&O webpage it does only support DTS 2.0 (it is the same file for V1 which makes me think it might be wrong).
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The BV11 hard disk module also incorporates the satellite module, pre-programmed with all satellite positions.
I found it to be well worth the money, including the programme guide and linked recording options.
Graham
vikinger: The BV11 hard disk module also incorporates the satellite module, pre-programmed with all satellite positions. I found it to be well worth the money, including the programme guide and linked recording options. Graham
Thanks Graham. Are you sure they are both the same part? I don't have a dish on my roof. I have a fibre connection with tv over dvb-c that is already built into it. The TV is so expensive that I can't add on more expensive things to it, perhaps if I can add it later on. On my current 55" samsung I have a usb-hdd that does the same thing without any added costs so I think it is too expensive.
On the BS9000 front, I have connected my BS9000 to the TV via SPDIF connectors on both, so just needed a cable. However you do need to turn on the TV, Pmute, and in addition you lose remote functionality to the BS9000, and radio. Eventually I may get a NL/ML box for true integration. I have another post on the details of how to connect the BS9000 with just the cable.
BV11-55, BS9000, BL1, BL19, Transmitter 1, Beo4, Beocom 6000, BeoTalk1 200, Sennheiser HD600, McIntosh MHA100
Michael:It would be superb if I could use the speakers without having the TV turn on and then P.MUTE it.
Actually with a BLC the BV11 will p.mute itself after some time, when a audio source is choosen
The dealer advised me that they were the same part and that a sat tuner was not available built-in and separate from the hard disk. The sat tuner has twin LNB connections for separate reception and recording. You can record from terrestrial or satellite sources, and you can combine a mixture of all sources into different channel groups if you want to. I used my TV for some time using the terrestrial channels before adding the satellite dish.
Carolpa: Michael:It would be superb if I could use the speakers without having the TV turn on and then P.MUTE it. Actually with a BLC the BV11 will p.mute itself after some time, when a audio source is choosen
What is a BLC? I want to mainly play music/audio from Apple TV, BS9000 (CD/RADIO/A.AUX). The Apple TV in particular is interesting since it is both for audio-video and audio. I would want to add it as two separate systems but I think it is impossible. Perhaps If I use a optical to spdif converter and connect it both by hdmi and spdif
vikinger: The dealer advised me that they were the same part and that a sat tuner was not available built-in and separate from the hard disk. The sat tuner has twin LNB connections for separate reception and recording. You can record from terrestrial or satellite sources, and you can combine a mixture of all sources into different channel groups if you want to. I used my TV for some time using the terrestrial channels before adding the satellite dish. Graham
I see, hm. Well I just want a hard drive, not satellite tuner. Perhaps impossible to do then.
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Tonker: Having just been looking at OLED and UHD LCD sets in my local store, I'd seriously consider any investment in any AV equipment at the moment. Not a dig at B&O in any way, they must find it very frustrating as a small company to make something in 2013 like the 11, only to find in 2014 it's relatively old hat. Please note the word relatively before anyone jumps on me for being slightly cautions. Nobody loves this stuff more than I, but the brutal truth is that the AV market is moving at such a place, nobody even including companies like Sony and Panasonic can keep up. Beovision 11-46, Beolab 14, Beovision 8-26/32, Beovision 3-32, Avant RF 28, Beosound 8, Beolit 12, Beocom 2, Beotime, H6 and Form 2, Beo 4's and a 6.
So you think I should wait until OLED is on the next Beovision? I would want one of those I think but who knows when that will happen? Why did you buy a BV11 Chris? Knowing this also.
mibook84:So you think I should wait until OLED is on the next Beovision? I would want one of those I think but who knows when that will happen? Why did you buy a BV11 Chris? Knowing this also.
Chris Townsend: No problems with either Apple TV box since they have been removed from the compartment. Heat or interference maybe?
No problems with either Apple TV box since they have been removed from the compartment. Heat or interference maybe?
Isn't that 'Compartment' actually the space for the motorised hinge? (One on each side for the hinge and cable entry, but supplied with totally enclosing blank panels if you have the TV on a stand?)
My unused 'Compartment' is very cold inside, but has no ventilation. Do Apple require the Apple TV to be ventilated?
Edit. Apparently the Apple TV needs lots of ventilation.
I exchanged my 10 for an 11 because of its much better speakers, and slightly better picture. Don't be sold on nonsence Apps etc, they are available everywhere. The Spotify App on my Roku box is far better than the one on the 11. I still wish i had a Beovision that sounded as good as my old Avant, without the clutter of all the extra speakers.
9 months ago there were very few UHD OLED TVs around, this evening at least 50% of the Tv's available were UHD's, and at least 10% OLED. I'd wait.
Chris Townsend: I exchanged my 10 for an 11 because of its much better speakers, and slightly better picture. Don't be sold on nonsence Apps etc, they are available everywhere. The Spotify App on my Roku box is far better than the one on the 11. I still wish i had a Beovision that sounded as good as my old Avant, without the clutter of all the extra speakers. 9 months ago there were very few UHD OLED TVs around, this evening at least 50% of the Tv's available were UHD's, and at least 10% OLED. I'd wait.
I don't care for UltraHD at this time. Our swedish broadcasts are in 576p still and I am happy about 720p/1080p for movies. What difference does 4K make on a 55" screen if you sit in your sofa? I have a V1 in my bedroom already so I know about the apps and that they are quite useless but I want to connect my speakers to the TV instead of a receiver as I do today. And I like the interface and design. I thought the BV11 had speakers better than the Avant, too bad if it doesnt. I have the Avant in my work room and it is very good. Are you sure there is 10% OLED today? If I browse on a swedish price comparing website I get the following info:Out of 1602 tvs there is 2 OLED tvs for sale in Sweden, 90 plasmas and 1174 LED tvs and 141 CCFL LCD tvs and 197 unspecified sets. Both OLED sets are from LG and cost 69 995 SEK/99 990 SEK, both 55 inch.How about the lifetime of a OLED today? Don't they have the same issues as plasma, I mean that they burn out - and burn in.
Raeuber: mibook84: So you think I should wait until OLED is on the next Beovision? I would want one of those I think but who knows when that will happen? Why did you buy a BV11 Chris? Knowing this also. Take a look at an actual TV with OLED and 4K, really fantastic picture even with HD sources because of an effective upscaling. If I wonna buy a TV I would wait for a Beovision with 4K. This year almost every brand will present 4K TVs or had already done it. B&O will be for sure the last brand presenting a 4K TV, but they can't wait until 2015 (if they want to survive in this market). For an actual, almost outdated BV 11 I wouldn't spend more than 1.000 EUR. Just my 2 cents... Räuber
mibook84: So you think I should wait until OLED is on the next Beovision? I would want one of those I think but who knows when that will happen? Why did you buy a BV11 Chris? Knowing this also.
Take a look at an actual TV with OLED and 4K, really fantastic picture even with HD sources because of an effective upscaling.
If I wonna buy a TV I would wait for a Beovision with 4K. This year almost every brand will present 4K TVs or had already done it. B&O will be for sure the last brand presenting a 4K TV, but they can't wait until 2015 (if they want to survive in this market).
For an actual, almost outdated BV 11 I wouldn't spend more than 1.000 EUR.
Just my 2 cents...
Räuber
Look back at what you thought was the latest technology say 6 years ago, and look at what is available now.
The only use for 4k would be for super-sized screens where you also wanted to get real close to read some small print online. At normal room sizes and normal screen sizes HD is already over specified for average viewing and what your eyes can actually perceive.
You need to pick what is best for your present purposes within your budget. There is no point waiting for some future technology because there is always a future technology and it will always be sold as 'better' even if you don't really need it.
I agree with that, and thats the problem isn't it. 15 years ago say, you bought a Beovision knowing that its the best of everything, a great investment for years. Today you can see Avant's being lobbed into the tip. Because of how the market is changing it's very hard to guarantee your very expensive set will not be outmoded by even modest brands and their newer technology.
I have already bought an 11 like i said, and although very impressed with the stuff i saw today, i'll ride out the first generation sets and see how it all goes. I wouldn't buy one today though. I'd invest in speakers.
What we hear about 4K taking too long and costing too much, we all heard when the nay sayers were all dooming HD. And broadband before that, then even car airbags etc etc etc etc
My 11 46 has a sat tuner and no hard disk as I have sky.
my dealers showroom 11 has a hard disk and no sat module
rednik: My 11 46 has a sat tuner and no hard disk as I have sky. my dealers showroom 11 has a hard disk and no sat module
Interesting. Maybe the options changed after the initial launch, or the 11/40 is different.
Options from the beoworld 11/40 product page: (other BV11's not shown at present)
T2/C, T2/C/S2 or Dual T2/C/S2 HDD
EDIT Unless someone knows different, if you have a hard disk you have all the tuners inc sat. You can have a sat tuner and no HDD, but you can't have HDD without sat.
Anything we buy today will be outdated within 18 months. The fact is that the BV11 is a fantastic TV specially the sound and integration capability, and with the exception of some minor issues the picture is quite amazing. And on top there is the B&O design that no one can match. Because there is a "better" screen in the future, it does not mean you would not be very happy with what there is now for years to come.
Chris Townsend:On the subject of Apple TV and the 11, I have had my picture go black intermittently when in its dedicated compartment. I thought the Apple TV had failed so I brought down upstairs. The same happened and whilst fiddling I left it just hang loose on the back of the 11. No problems with either Apple TV box since they have been removed from the compartment. Heat or interference maybe?
Sadly I have this problem, too. Never happens on the BV10-32 though! Only the BV11. No way out of it, apart from disconnecting the Apple TV and re-connecting the power. Mental.
OLED yes, UHD no because of the size. Samsung say that OLED will not be a widely available(affordable) product for a few more years yet, although LG seem to have come from nowhere and produced some fantastic looking sets. The technical reason given by Samsung will need to be explained by somebody closer to the business. Basically go and have a look. 55 inch OLED £4,500.
4K only looks really effective on larger screens i.e. 55 inch minimum, but when it does work it is immeasurably better than the current sets. Netflix will apparently start broadcasting this year, and 4K Blurays are also on the way later this year i.e. 2015! Again LG make some amazing looking machines, and i believe they are tying up with Harmon Kardmon who will integrate their speakers and technology! Cheap TV, great speakers!!! I'm sure it's LG anyway.
Apart from the trade in offer, how about a 7-40 Mk6. Great picture, much better sound, integrated Bluray! Apart from the automatic software updates, ignore the wireless apps nonsense. A £50 Roku box has a much better Spotify and Youtube app.I'd wait if you can be bothered.
Chris Townsend: OLED yes, UHD no because of the size. Samsung say that OLED will not be a widely available(affordable) product for a few more years yet, although LG seem to have come from nowhere and produced some fantastic looking sets. The technical reason given by Samsung will need to be explained by somebody closer to the business. Basically go and have a look. 55 inch OLED £4,500. 4K only looks really effective on larger screens i.e. 55 inch minimum, but when it does work it is immeasurably better than the current sets. Netflix will apparently start broadcasting this year, and 4K Blurays are also on the way later this year i.e. 2015! Again LG make some amazing looking machines, and i believe they are tying up with Harmon Kardmon who will integrate their speakers and technology! Cheap TV, great speakers!!! I'm sure it's LG anyway. Apart from the trade in offer, how about a 7-40 Mk6. Great picture, much better sound, integrated Bluray! Apart from the automatic software updates, ignore the wireless apps nonsense. A £50 Roku box has a much better Spotify and Youtube app.I'd wait if you can be bothered.
I like BV7 but I would not want a 40" to replace a 55" top of the line samsung. Also I want a slim design, BV7 is quite thick. I very rarely watch bluray discs (altough I do have two bluray players). I would not discard BV11s software as wireless apps nonsense, it is a much more updated hardware that actually looks updated - the BS3 menues looks very oldish and it matters to me. What also matters is the TrueImage sound processor which is much more intelligent than BS3/BV7. I use an Apple TV for spotify and youtube, but the built in Youtube app is really good! You can start it from any tv-channel directly by your iphone/android youtube app. You just press the "kind-of-airplay-like"-button and press the tvs name and the TV will change to youtube on its own.
I don't think 4K will make a lot of difference on 55". Perhaps in games since the higher resolution will make it easier for developers to "hide" sharp edges and such (since they need higher resolution). There is a limit to what your eye can see on a distance of perhaps two to three meters and while it will make difference on non moving media such as web browsing perhaps, I don't think you can notice much change on a movie source. Not to say it is bad, I do want 4K but it would be more useful on a bigger screen. Another problem with 4K displays is that you will need much more processing power, better sources and better scalers. Just imagine how a regular SD-picture would look scaled up eight times its original size. You would need quite an impressive scaler for it to work good. Even regular HD sources would have to be interpolated.OLED is amazing but it still suffers from manufacturing issues and they don't last as long as a LCD display. They display tremendous color but I think it might also be too much. Reality is best and excessive color/contrast is bad. I haven't watched an OLED for more than a few minutes so I can't say for sure but I also think it will take a few more years. LCD is very good now and I like how it looks. The one thing that is better on BV7 is the backlight that is a real backlight instead of edge lit. However, the BV7 is outdated now and the BV11 is much more up to date (easier to add PUC codes, speaker groups and many other things). Too bad it lacks ML and Projector output :(.
Chris Townsend:I'm glad it's not just me then. When I installed an entirely new Apple unit exactly the same thing happens. Didn't happen on the 10, and doesn't on our 8 either! Weird
Didn't happen on the 10, and doesn't on our 8 either! Weird
See earlier post. Almost certainly a lack of ventilation problem. (Google 'Apple TV' and you will find lots of problems linked to a lack of ventilation and the unit running very hot). If I am not mistaken, when you get the alternative corner back panel to accommodate the motorised hinge you get a pair in the package and discard the one you don't need. I think that If I was putting an Apple TV in the unused hinge compartment on my BV11 I might put the extra hinge cover over it. It's not too attractive but it has lots of ventilation!
A B&O dealer who has installed BV11's with motorised hinges probably has some spare / unused corner panels. If you have a stand mounted BV11 it probably makes more sense to mount the Apple TV somewhere on the stand or even remote from the TV. I might yet succumb to adding an Apple TV, but I am in the fortunate position of having somewhere behind the wall on which the TV is mounted to put it.
vikinger: See earlier post. Almost certainly a lack of ventilation problem. (Google 'Apple TV' and you will find lots of problems linked to a lack of ventilation and the unit running very hot). If I am not mistaken, when you get the alternative corner back panel to accommodate the motorised hinge you get a pair in the package and discard the one you don't need. I think that If I was putting an Apple TV in the unused hinge compartment on my BV11 I might put the extra hinge cover over it. It's not too attractive but it has lots of ventilation! A B&O dealer who has installed BV11's with motorised hinges probably has some spare / unused corner panels. If you have a stand mounted BV11 it probably makes more sense to mount the Apple TV somewhere on the stand or even remote from the TV. I might yet succumb to adding an Apple TV, but I am in the fortunate position of having somewhere behind the wall on which the TV is mounted to put it. Graham
It´s strange B&O havent changed their instructions regarding this if this is a real issue. A friend of mine has a BV11mk2 without any issues. Perhaps they fixed it - if there even was a problem. Which kind of Apple TV do make the problem? And do you have a lot of cabling in the same compartment? I have an Apple TV mounted in my V1 without good ventilation and it seems to work very good. I haven't noticed the ATV getting more than mildly hot. The newest Apple TV (Gen3mk2) has a smaller SoC that probably develops a little less heat also. I think it might be wise to put the IR-cable roll in the back of the BV11 instead in the same place as the ATV and also use a very thin HDMI (like the one apple sells) to allow for a bit of air to circulate around it. If anyone has a IR-heat meter it would be easy to check if there is a real issue.
vikinger: Chris Townsend:I'm glad it's not just me then. When I installed an entirely new Apple unit exactly the same thing happens. Didn't happen on the 10, and doesn't on our 8 either! Weird See earlier post. Almost certainly a lack of ventilation problem.
See earlier post. Almost certainly a lack of ventilation problem.
But this is on immediate system switch on and you can still hear the sounds from the Apple TV, just the picture is black. I can't believe this is a ventilation issue from turning on the system.
moxxey: vikinger: Chris Townsend:I'm glad it's not just me then. When I installed an entirely new Apple unit exactly the same thing happens. Didn't happen on the 10, and doesn't on our 8 either! Weird See earlier post. Almost certainly a lack of ventilation problem. But this is on immediate system switch on and you can still hear the sounds from the Apple TV, just the picture is black. I can't believe this is a ventilation issue from turning on the system.
Agree.
Sorry but I got the impression from other posts that the problem was resolved by taking the ATV out of the hinge compartment.
I have the BV11-55 mk1 and ATV gen2 and it works great. Havent had the black screen problem. Only minor nitpick is that the TV doesnt "wake" the ATV when I select it as source so I have to push the joypad on Beo4 to wake it up.