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i thought it was odd how my local bno store more or less ignored the thing in favour of the beo4 and the ipad app
i wonder what they could be bringing out ?
Not a great loss. It would have performed stronger without such a pathetically poor WLAN antenna. Hope B&O concentrates on tablet based remote apps with full capabilities.
I agree. Tablet or smartphone apps with full capabilities are the way forward. I use my iPhone more than any other device I have ever owned. I have a Beo5 which is now essentially a paper weight.
Flappo:i thought it was odd how my local bno store more or less ignored the thing in favour of the beo4 and the ipad app i wonder what they could be bringing out ?
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.
we tend to forget there is more to design than designing.
w5bno123:As from today you can no longer order the Beo6, it has been marked obsolete.
I agree with Griebel on the Beo6.
Personnally I never had one - it has never appealed to me.
For some people it was (is) a great device.
But you need the will and the skill to deal with it.
A well-programmed Beo6 can be usefull - especially in a non-NL setup.
I know many, who have enjoyed it a lot - and still do.
But I certainly don't agree on the Beo4.
It is the Bang & Olufsen remote control, and will be in the future, I guess.
I know the 'List' of my Beo4('s), and I mostly don't sit in the dark listening to music or watching tv
How much I am going to use the iPad app in the future, will depend on if and on how they are going to improve it.
I guess a combination of Beo4 and the app will be my final solution.
In the end it can't surprice anyone, that the Beo6 stops. After all it is a 'pre-tablet remote control-solution' - and hasn't enough potential for the future tasks in a NL-setup.
P.S. Those who can't get warm with the 'iDevice/app solution', please do consider that you don't have to use the (small) iPhone, or the iPad, that is always occupied of your wife and kids...
A dedicated iPad only for controlling your B&O setup will come much cheaper than the Beo6.
Greetings Millemissen
There is a tv - and there is a BV
The problem with depending on iPhones or iPads is that such products have a more limited lifespan than the likes of the beo4. I am not convinced that depending on someone else's technology is a good idea. It May be expedient at the moment but in 5 years plus it may well be a foolish move. B&O products have a considerably longer lifespan tha mayfly Apple products. My b&o setup is around 5-7 years old and still functions perfectly. My 4 year old iMac is ready for retirement by comparison. My version 1 iPad has retired.
they really need an updated dedicated device.
@rmclachlan
Are you willing to pay the price that a 'B&O tablet' would cost - if there would ever be one?
MM
A programmable remote that is easy to setup by the user would be ideal. I like the idea of the 6, but I think having to get it programmed by a dealer at additional cost is a bit unrealistic.
Just compare with the Logitec Remotes. Easy to setup by anyone on their website. If they were made from zinc and glass we'd all have one!
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In defense of the Beo6, it's a great remote if properly programmed. For simple audio control, I reach for the Beo4. However, with a video system with multiple video devices connected, the Beo6 is essential. Its buttons are much easier to use than using the BeoSystem 3 menu overlay. Also, by changing the colors of the most-used soft buttons (such as "List," "Guide," and "Info" for TV dvr), it makes it fast to access what you use most. However, what has been very lacking has been the configuration software and that it hasn't been made available to the user. B&O dealers will say that it's too complicated and not intended for programming by the user. What's frustrating is that it's ALMOST THERE. The config program can actually be fun to use with the icons and all. B&O just needs to hire someone skilled with ergonomics to spend just a little time (maybe even just a day?!) working with the software programmers to make it user-friendly and intuitive. Some of the commands need to be more understandable. For example, the command "CIPHER." "CIPHER"?! Really?! It really shouldn't be that hard to make the config program more user-friendly.
I would LOVE to see a more advanced tablet remote (while I'd love an iOS app, I'd still buy a nice B&O tablet). However, I'm worried that B&O still won't offer a way for the end user to program the tablet according to individual needs. It would be the same problem as the downfall of the Beo6.
Actually, I am considering one of those!
There is some intention of developing an evolution of Beo4? Something like "Beo4.2" with more capacities and improvements?
Beovision 10-46, Beocenter 1, Beo 4, Beocom 4, Beolit 12, Beosound 4, Beosound Essence, Beolab 6000
jldmelb:A programmable remote that is easy to setup by the user would be ideal. I like the idea of the 6, but I think having to get it programmed by a dealer at additional cost is a bit unrealistic. Just compare with the Logitec Remotes. Easy to setup by anyone on their website. If they were made from zinc and glass we'd all have one! What time is it? Beotime!
I think a new remote that could be programmed from the remote itself is the best remote. I also think the remote should be able to configure itself quite good when using it with NL-enabled devices since it can aquire information on connected devices etc from the TV itself.
I like the Beo4 and prefer the feedback on my fingers rather than my eyes but it would not hurt to add leds to the display in the Beo4 for night usage.
Beolab 50, Beolab 8000 x 2, Beolab 4000 x 2, BeoSound Core, BeoSound 9000, BeoSound Century, BeoLit 15, BeoPlay A1, BeoPlay P2, BeoPlay H9 3rd Gen, BeoPlay H6, EarSet 3i, BeoVision Eclipse Gen 2 55", BeoPlay V1-40, BeoCom 6000 and so much else :)
I like the beo6 a lot ... I can control my complete home with it.I installed Domintell home control system and together with a lintronic box i'm able to sent RS232 commands to the home control system.Of course i use the config tool myself and it is really not to hard to program it.I can control the home system also with my iphone/ipad, but this is much slower to do...You have to open the phone, start the app and than you can change something.With the remote it is instant and that is what a remote should be,instant control.
What i do not like is the battery life and the way the BS5/BM5 is integrated. The wifi is draining the battery a lot and you do not have enough information.
I have 5 beo4 remotes all over the house, but with this one it is hard to control the home automation. I do not like the "list" thing and the for example light1 light2 etc ... I know what it is doing but my wife will never use the beo4 for controlling home automation system or netmusic If B&O would make a beo pad which can give instant access like the beo6 than it will be different
nico
The best thing with the Beo6 is that it combines the ir commands and the network commands.
Since the new NL products are network based it seems that we are sloooowly going from ir controls to controlling over the network.
I would still say, that a combination of network based commands for the 'complicated controls' such as 'source and content choosing' and 'where to play it' is best done with a touch/tablet device - and that 'simple direct controls' such as skipping tracks, volume adjustment, putting into standby etc is done by a small (handheld) device with feedback for your fingers, is the best way to go.
As things are now for this we would need a tablet app AND a Beo4 similar device.
If making a dedicated B&O tablet - a 'BeoPad' - should make any sense, this would have to be a combination of both, a device that unites the ir- and the network controlling.
I do not have a Beo6 but I absolutely love my Beo5s - with them I can easily control all 3rd party products (like Apple TV, Panasonic TVs, PS3, Cambridge receiver etc.), create advanced macros etc.
BUT… I have spent loads of hours getting them the way I want which besides from the config tool has included creating and editing XML files in Notepad - probably not what the average B&O customer would like to do or expect from the brand. As many of you have said, this is where B&O has fallen short. They failed to create an easy tool for editing / adding new buttons / products to the remote resulting in very frustrated owners.
(why did it note include a learning remote function as the Harmony remotes for instance)
SOme pictures of my Beo5s below, showing the possibilities for the GUI:
My B&O products: Beosound 9000, Beosound 2300, Beosound Century, Beolab 8000, Beolab 6000, Beolab 4000 x2, Beolab 3500, Beolab 2000, Beolab 10, Beolink Active x2, Beotime, Beo5 x2, Beo4, A9 keyring x2, LC2 dimmer x6 and growing....
jldmelb:Actually, I am considering one of those! What time is it? Beotime!
Tonker:The new one comes out anytime soon, so wait a bit. Beovision 11-46, Beolab 14, Beovision 8-32, Beovision 3-32, Avant RF 28, Beosound 8, Beolit 12, Beocom 2, Beotime, H6 and Form 2, Beo 4's and a 6.
Beolab 28s Beolab 9s Beolab 12-3s Beolab 1s Beolab 6000s 2 pairs Beolab 4000s Beovision 7-55 Beovision 10-40 Beoplay V1 32 inch Beovision Avant 32 inch Beosound 1 (CD player) Beosound 3000 Beosound 5 Core Essence MKII Beoplay M5
Razlaw: Tonker: The new one comes out anytime soon, so wait a bit. Beovision 11-46, Beolab 14, Beovision 8-32, Beovision 3-32, Avant RF 28, Beosound 8, Beolit 12, Beocom 2, Beotime, H6 and Form 2, Beo 4's and a 6. A new remote? A new Beo 4? I was planning on buying a new Beo 4 today. Should I wait?
Tonker: The new one comes out anytime soon, so wait a bit. Beovision 11-46, Beolab 14, Beovision 8-32, Beovision 3-32, Avant RF 28, Beosound 8, Beolit 12, Beocom 2, Beotime, H6 and Form 2, Beo 4's and a 6.
The new one comes out anytime soon, so wait a bit. Beovision 11-46, Beolab 14, Beovision 8-32, Beovision 3-32, Avant RF 28, Beosound 8, Beolit 12, Beocom 2, Beotime, H6 and Form 2, Beo 4's and a 6.
A new remote? A new Beo 4? I was planning on buying a new Beo 4 today. Should I wait?
He means the Lumigon phone! (The current T2 model is on sale again at Expansys.)
Graham
@Rivenflush: Your photos of the Beo 6 look wonderful! Would you mind sharing how you've managed to design it so nicely? You can send me an email if you want.
beaker:All they have to do is re-release the Beo4 cinema. I bet they would sell well and be easy and quick to bring to market.
bno used to be famous for their amazing remotes
look at the ones for the 80's audio systems !
impressive even now
TWG: @Rivenflush: Your photos of the Beo 6 look wonderful! Would you mind sharing how you've managed to design it so nicely? You can send me an email if you want.
I wholeheartedly agree. When I saw the pictures in this thread I knew that this must be Rivenflushs work. Truly impressive. He really gets the best out of the Beo6.
I never invested in the Beo6, as I didn't have any B&O stuff that would have taken advantage from the WiFi.
I do have my Beo5 still, and use it quite often. Especially now after I put a new battery in it.
Too long to list....
Jonathan: ....If they were made from zinc and glass we'd all have one!
....If they were made from zinc and glass we'd all have one!
always thought so