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Sound's good but are they Right?
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/techandscience/4k-ultra-hd-blu-ray-specs-are-great-but-is-it-too-late/ar-AA8qozy?ocid=EIE9HP
Hi Bv7,
Thank you for that and indeed an interesting read! Will it survive and in what quantities will it sell? Maybe very much a niche market or maybe the prices will drop and people may buy them to upscale their DVD box sets from the olden days or Blu-Ray discs.
Gotta say, I use iTunes, Vimeo, YouTube & Netflix for my viewing and I love it but I've kept a blu-ray player for the occasional DVD that I play once a month or so.
I noticed yesterday that LG 4K TVs are now £499 at Richer Sounds so I guess those prices are falling pretty fast!
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.
Of course it is not too late.
But the UHD-BluRay will be a niche product - will never go mainstream.
The wast majority will be content with less - as it is today with music.
People have become used to inferiour quality.
At least the manufatorers of the next gen UHD-tv's will need it,
to show, what their displays can deliver
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Hey MM,
I really don't think that peoples music sounds worse today. Certainly in the UK, during the whole of the 1980s, the best selling music format was the compact cassette. Now I remember how badly recorded the majority of these were. Most sounded so dull and lifeless. I personally think the AAc MP4 256 that Apple offers on its iTunes store sounds rather good and I love having my entire collection with me wherever I am in the world :) Also in the 1970s most people had those horrible music centres with BSR turntables and cheapo tape decks and speakers and they listened to radio 1 on 247 medium wave so I really do think that today's MP4 generation have a far better sound quality as well as an incredible luxury of being able to take their music and HD videos with them. I love it and I would not want it any other way :)
That was not, what I was talking about.
I mean bad production/bad mastering/compression....
That the files prefered then mostly are at a 128kbps level does not make things better.
A lot of people are not 'listening' to music - they are 'using music' as some sort of background entertainment.
They don't give a damn about higher SQ - and surely won't pay the extra for the better PQ of the UHD-Bluray.
That is fine - who am I to judge?
As long as I can have my music from a CD/from lossless FLAC rips or from streamed lossless via WiMP/Tidal.
Even I listen to Spotify/320 downloads, when I am driving my car.
And on my iPad I don't need Bluray PQ either.
For Me!...Physical Media Blu-ray or Dvd or Cd (don't have many dvd's 30 tops but have 150+ Blu-ray which keeps growing and 2000+ Cd's) is nice to have in your hand and unlike a drive if it goes wrong you still have the Media But its also nice to have the quickness of a something on a drive but I will always go what gives the best pic/sound per format and for me at the mo that is a Disc and will be the same with 4k Blu-ray untill streaming can match the same rate as a disk.
Also try watching Streaming on a 8 to 10ft projection screen no contest I'd think!
Remember Video is Diffrent from music..Music is only sound.Video has sound and picture,so much more to En-code De-code.
The thing holding back Hi res streaming is Broadband but when Sky come on board say 2016 with there new box things will change and Freeview Connect is coming later this year! who knows how things will turn out?????
Paul W: Hey MM, I really don't think that peoples music sounds worse today. Certainly in the UK, during the whole of the 1980s, the best selling music format was the compact cassette. Now I remember how badly recorded the majority of these were. Most sounded so dull and lifeless. I personally think the AAc MP4 256 that Apple offers on its iTunes store sounds rather good and I love having my entire collection with me wherever I am in the world :) Also in the 1970s most people had those horrible music centres with BSR turntables and cheapo tape decks and speakers and they listened to radio 1 on 247 medium wave so I really do think that today's MP4 generation have a far better sound quality as well as an incredible luxury of being able to take their music and HD videos with them. I love it and I would not want it any other way :)
Most cassette recordings were crap! You needed a good player to get good results and a "chrome" tape was a minimum requirement for reasonable recordings, "metal" were better. Your typical (still considered better than the rest) TDK Ferric C90's were OK to record the Top 40 from FM radio on a Sunday night!
however!, - most people's limitation was and still is their speakers or headphones! (in general the electronics are always better than the mechanicals)!!
Ban boring signatures!
It's an interesting one MM & BV7 but I guess we are talking age demographics. I can't see today's young generation buying into the physical media of tomorrows players etc.
BV7, you mentioned SKY but to me, SKY is yesterdays brand. I think of it as a 1990s brand. I get my viewing from Pluto TV App now as it has sports channels that I love - surfing, snowboarding, skate boarding etc along with Vimeo. Being honest, I used my Sky box for the first time in two years, last Sunday in order to watch CNN for the very sad Paris events gathering. I guess a lot of the now generation have grown up with iPads and their apps so that's going to be the 'normal' way for them to say Airplay their content.
Interesting anyway. But I gotta say, I don't miss the days of sticking and freezing of DVDs etc.
I guess I'm, lucky that although I've only opted now for a 6meg speed broadband, it is rock solid and i've never had a single problem. I now have an option of 150meg fibre optic so I guess that would be pleasant for 4k users :)
All exciting stuff :)
Haha Puncher nice cassette memories! Actually for some reason, the cassette deck in the Century made incredibly accurate recordings on even the most basic TDK D cassette :) I remember the TDK AD was the choice of many :)
@ Paul.. Yes all exciting stuff in the new world of 4K Tv.
Yes TDK in the good old days of recording and the good old days of Dam the Cassette jamed again lol
Haha jamming. And head cleaning with Allsop 3 head cleaners :) Owwww and NICE Blaupunkt cassette players in cars! (With Pioneer speakers was all the rage!)
Maybe B&O could reintroduce a turntable from its old pressings? Turntables don't really age - look at the Technics 1210 in production for 30 years and now Pioneer has launched one based on it! I have a BeoGram 1500 in my library room gathering dust. (Sentimental value as it was my Grandad's along with BeoMaster 1900, BeoCord 1900 & 35 speakers. The teak wood is falling off the turntable sadly now :(
Article dead before the ink dried.
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Paul W: Maybe B&O could reintroduce a turntable from its old pressings? Turntables don't really age - look at the Technics 1210 in production for 30 years and now Pioneer has launched one based on it! I have a BeoGram 1500 in my library room gathering dust. (Sentimental value as it was my Grandad's along with BeoMaster 1900, BeoCord 1900 & 35 speakers. The teak wood is falling off the turntable sadly now :(
Vinyls do!
A Vinyl record has a "before date" as being a physical record in the true sense of the word it will deteriorate from needle pressure. Not to mention mishandling, and miss-storage.
On the whole, I'd say people are not getting used to "inferior" quality. People are getting used to "great quality" and like me, realizing Full HD on a 50" screen is as good as I need. So is 16Bits at 44.1khz.
In the "old" days people listened to crap. Old vinyls crapped out from wrong needle pressure. Tape re-recorded 100 times. 480p TV screens (or less!).
People where happy.
But this was before the internet, humans had a life! The days before when there was suddenly a forum for people to tell other people how they should think.