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Hard decision, beosound Monent or Beosound 5

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Newbie Posted: Sat, Oct 15 2016 10:03 PM
I want to buy a new Audiosystem.

What do you think wich one will suit better to my setup?

Beosound 5 or the Moment.

My setup:

Beosystem 3

Beovision 4-65

Beolab 9 (soon Beolab 5)

Hope you can give me some hints.

Thank you :-)

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Opman replied on Sat, Oct 15 2016 10:21 PM

Hi Newbie

The BeoSound 5 is a Masterlink product so will easily connect to your BeoSystem 3 with a Masterlink cable. The BeoSound 5 will give access to Spotify.

The BeoSound Moment will access Deezer and is a Network Link product. If you want full integration with your BeoSystem 3 you will need an NL/ML convertor which will also have to be hard wired to your router.

As the BeoSound 5 is now end of line I wouldn't expect any more software updates to this product. The Moment is current and will continue to receive updates for bug fixes and potentially new features.

I realise I haven't answered your question, I have just pointed out some differences you may not have been aware of.

Hope that helps.

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The primary use of the BM/BS5 is playback of local files.

The primary use of the BS Moment is playback of music streming services.

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beojeff replied on Sat, Oct 15 2016 11:39 PM

Both play local files as well as streaming services. While the BeoSound 5 streams Spotify, the Moment streams Deezer. For the Moment, you need to budget an extra $1000 for a NL converter; whereas, the BeoSound 5 will integrate perfectly. Another consideration would be that of control. You can readily control the Moment with a smartphone. However, you would need a MLGW or BLGW to control a BeoSound 5 with a smartphone. However, you get 2-way control of the BeoSound 5 with a Beo6 remote!

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Razlaw replied on Sat, Oct 15 2016 11:58 PM
A third option might be a Beosound 5 with a Beosound Essence connected to it's aux in.

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Newbie replied on Sun, Oct 16 2016 8:47 AM
Thank you for answering.

I did not know that I need an extra converter for the Moment :-(

I find the BS 5 more stylish but the Moment is the newer one......

One good point is that I can take the panel from the Moment with me for searching music.

Thats very theorethical but would change the Beosystem (from 3 to 4) an option?

Most of my files are on a NAS.

I dont have Deezer or Spotify

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Hiort replied on Sun, Oct 16 2016 8:58 AM

Newbie:

I did not know that I need an extra converter for the Moment :-(

Yes, in your case unfortunately. That is to integrate to an existing Masterlink infrastructure.

Newbie:

One good point is that I can take the panel from the Moment with me for searching music.

That is convenient. But I use mainly the Beomusic app.

Newbie:

Thats very theorethical but would change the Beosystem (from 3 to 4) an option?

No, you still need the converter to make the Moment able to connect to Masterlink. 

 

Newbie:

Most of my files are on a NAS.

Note that the search function on Moment, for files on the NAS are quite limited. Beomusic app is better for that. Recommend you check it out at a dealer before you buy, to make sure you like it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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If you look at the Moment there are hundreds of posts about the software problems and lack of resolution. It is well and truly underdeveloped and given B&O's poor software in recent years, I'd be very cautious about this. I couldn't recommend either if I'm very honest. I had the Bs5 and it was slow, sluggish and needed a new motherboard. It also collected dust under the screen and was replaced for the new one to have the same problem. Your eyes are not good at scanning at high speed art work moving up and down, so in theory it was nice to move the wheel and see the moving art work, but in practice it was far from easy on the eye. With the likes of RoonLabs, Spotify, Deezer and cheap internal storage, you can have it all on a computer locked away out of sight or on an iPad. B&O functionality is in the Middle Ages compared to what you can do on an iPad.

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Paul W replied on Sun, Oct 16 2016 12:45 PM

I totally agree with you Seethroughyou. When you see the posts on here regarding problems with it for the last two years, it horrifies me that people are still considering paying £1800 for something that really does not perform. And surely the BS5 is an old relic now. That's like recommending a 2009 computer to someone in 2016. These won't have the basic software reliability of what a £199 iPad has!

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koning replied on Sun, Oct 16 2016 1:34 PM

If i were you i would wait and see what the next couple of months would bring.

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Duels replied on Sun, Oct 16 2016 1:36 PM
koning:

If i were you i would wait and see what the next couple of months would bring.

Tell us more.........
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koning replied on Sun, Oct 16 2016 1:38 PM

I know nothing more....

 

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@seethroughyou and Paul W

I tried very hard for a long time ;-)

No way I can get my B&O setup to play (switching on, choosing the right input, starting the wished for speaker group etc) with just one klick on my iPad.

No app on an iPad can do the specialiced job that a BS5 or a BS Moment can (each in their way).

Note: I am a heavy iPad user - I love my iPad/s, but.....

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Carolpa replied on Sun, Oct 16 2016 3:27 PM

Millemissen:
No app on an iPad can do the specialiced job that a BS5 or a BS Moment can (each in their way).
you make me curious. how do you choose an artist/album  or radio station etc on a BS5 or BS Moment with "one click".

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@Carolpa

Please read my post carefully.

I wrote 'get my B&O setup to play'.

And I did that to indicate that a BM/BS5 or a BS Moment is an integrated part of a B&O setup.

No iPad or rather no app on the iPad - except partly the B&O app - can function in this way.

You will always need two devices ('two clicks') for this - one of these a B&O controller/remote.

P.S. The experienced user will know of 2 exceptions: using the cast function/Youtube from an app and starting a file playback from a DLNA software (renderer function of the HomeMedia player of the BV).

The iPad (and any tablet) can be very good devices when added to a B&O setup, but this does not mean that they can integrate with the setup.

But - anyway - maybe that does not matter to you.

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Simonbeo replied on Sun, Oct 16 2016 3:49 PM

The Beosound 5 is such a nice tactile experience compared to an iPad. That knurled wheel is lovely. 

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Newbie:
Thank you for answering.

I did not know that I need an extra converter for the Moment :-(

I find the BS 5 more stylish but the Moment is the newer one......

One good point is that I can take the panel from the Moment with me for searching music.

Thats very theorethical but would change the Beosystem (from 3 to 4) an option?

Most of my files are on a NAS.

I dont have Deezer or Spotify

Reading this - if you just want to choose between the two - my advice would be the BeoSound5.

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I would suggest the BS5 for the following reasons:-

1. You will get a massive uplift with the BeoLab 5 when connecting the SPdif the BM5 has.

2. With discipline in your ripping and filing of music, it's very good.

3. Swapping and cloning a very fast/well cached HDD, you can store up to 2Tb of loss-less music with instant access

4. I'm not over impressed with Dezzer/Spotify music quality on BL5 class loudspeakers

 

Downside would be the lack of NL class access, so satellite products like the new BS1 won't work or won't work as well without a NL converter.

Also, as point 2 above, you need patience to set it up well. Finally, you don't have access to endless Dezzer/Spotify tracks

 

Beosound 5 for me until something better comes up.

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Duels replied on Sun, Oct 16 2016 5:09 PM
Mr 10Percent:

Finally, you don't have access to endless Dezzer/Spotify tracks

You do have access to endless Spotify tracks.
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Newbie replied on Sun, Oct 16 2016 5:26 PM
I also think that the BS5 would suit better to me ;-)

Does the Beo6 work flawlessly with the BS5?

Do I have access with an Ipad also?

You have to know I am an Ouverture user and everthing is so simple :-)

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Carolpa replied on Sun, Oct 16 2016 5:36 PM

Millemissen:

@Carolpa

Please read my post carefully.

I wrote 'get my B&O setup to play'.

And I did that to indicate that a BM/BS5 or a BS Moment is an integrated part of a B&O setup.

No iPad or rather no app on the iPad - except partly the B&O app - can function in this way.

You will always need two devices ('two clicks') for this - one of these a B&O controller/remote.

P.S. The experienced user will know of 2 exceptions: using the cast function/Youtube from an app and starting a file playback from a DLNA software (renderer function of the HomeMedia player of the BV).

The iPad (and any tablet) can be very good devices when added to a B&O setup, but this does not mean that they can integrate with the setup.

But - anyway - maybe that does not matter to you.

MM

Hi MM. I do not agree.......

This is to simple to state! Of all the people on this forum, I would expect to be more accurate about this function. The iDevice is maybe a lame addition to a ML setup or a combination of ML/NL. But my experiences with Beomusic in a NL setup is completely different. Despite a huge collections of remotes, I do not use a remote for any of my music systems anymore (2* Essence mkII, BS35, Beoplay A6; even my BS300 and BS9000). I use solemnly an iPhone, iPad or iPod! And it works integrated.........and is in my experience better integrated then the Soundhub of the Moment (in a NL system).

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My typo. You are correct

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Razlaw replied on Sun, Oct 16 2016 8:01 PM

Newbie:
I also think that the BS5 would suit better to me ;-)

 

 

Does the Beo6 work flawlessly with the BS5?

 

Do I have access with an Ipad also?

 

 

You have to know I am an Ouverture user and everthing is so simple :-)

If the Overture functions the same as a Beosound 3000, and has the same Aux In connection, you could do what I have done. I have both the Beosound 5 and Beosound 3000 connected to the Masterlink system. Then you can connect  an Essence to the Aux In of the Beosound 3000/Overture.  This gives you both a Beosound 5 and the ability to select music via an app through the Essence. The Essence will also access music stored on the Beosound 5. The Essence works much the same as the Moment except for the mood wheel.  And using an tablet or phone to control instead of the Moment's controller.

 

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lonfred replied on Sun, Oct 16 2016 8:05 PM
It almost seems that I am the only one here that has verry good experience with my Moment that always do a good job in my ML setup with 16 ML products and a BLC. I have never had any broblem and the Deezer and Tuneln streaming services has moved my quite old ML system to a complete new level.
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StUrrock replied on Sun, Oct 16 2016 8:15 PM
It depends a lot on your personal preference re how you will work your system. IMHO BS5 + MLGW on an ml system does work very very well, but Spotify is a bit of a compromise on the UI front.

If sound quality is your main concern, never, ever connect anything via the BS5 aux connection, it is dreadful.
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PeterBOBP replied on Sun, Oct 16 2016 8:23 PM

from my experience the Moment is excellent for one touch random play (based on moods) and for music discovery. 

sound quality on Deezer for me is indistinguishable from CD quality (and I am not the only one), also on Beolab 5. 

search for specific songs is not ideal, although in practice for me / my library (1300+ albums) not really an issue. 

software issues are now mostly resolved.

If you have little affinity with computers I would have it installed by the dealer / get support from someone who does. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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benjnz replied on Sun, Oct 16 2016 9:52 PM

I have to say the faults in the Moment really are with the interface. Now it's found my music on my iMac, it's happily playing all my Apple Cloud Music, didn't for a while and now it does.The main problem is finding things at speed it's clunky, and the app is better if still fiddly at finding things. At least then you have the choice of either using the tablet from the unit or your phone/tablet.

As PeterBOBP has said, the more you use it the better the one touch works out what time/day you are and therefore what you want  to listen to.

 

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Carolpa:

Millemissen:

Hi MM. I do not agree.......

This is to simple to state! Of all the people on this forum, I would expect to be more accurate about this function. The iDevice is maybe a lame addition to a ML setup or a combination of ML/NL. But my experiences with Beomusic in a NL setup is completely different. Despite a huge collections of remotes, I do not use a remote for any of my music systems anymore (2* Essence mkII, BS35, Beoplay A6; even my BS300 and BS9000). I use solemnly an iPhone, iPad or iPod! And it works integrated.........and is in my experience better integrated then the Soundhub of the Moment (in a NL system).

regards

You seem solely to use the Beomusic app, then  - if I understand you right ??

I did write 'No iPad or rather no app on the iPad - except partly the B&O app - can function in this way.'

So we agree after all.

However, I just noted 2 posters, who wrote that they are very pleased with the integrating skills of the BS Moment (SoundHub/Jukebox)!

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Hiort replied on Mon, Oct 17 2016 7:56 AM

lonfred:
It almost seems that I am the only one here that has verry good experience with my Moment that always do a good job in my ML setup with 16 ML products and a BLC. I have never had any broblem and the Deezer and Tuneln streaming services has moved my quite old ML system to a complete new level.

I´m also very happy with my Moment. Of course there are things in the UI I would like to see differently, but no "showstoppers".

The software issues are now ironed out and I would say it works well. The product may not be for everyone, but it does the job for me.

 

 

 

 

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Hiort replied on Mon, Oct 17 2016 8:01 AM

seethroughyou:
If you look at the Moment there are hundreds of posts about the software problems and lack of resolution.

The software problems are history know and "lack of resolution" is an odd statement. It´s nothing that impacts the usage. That was an early debate around the display spec.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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beojeff replied on Mon, Oct 17 2016 10:34 AM

Newbie:
I also think that the BS5 would suit better to me ;-)

 

 

Does the Beo6 work flawlessly with the BS5?

 

Do I have access with an Ipad also?

 

 

You have to know I am an Ouverture user and everthing is so simple :-)

The Beo6 offers a very different user experience with the BeoSound 5. With the Beo6, you have 2-way communication to receive a full list of your music on the Beo6 screen. You can search for music by selecting the first letter and then scrolling to find the desired Artist, Album, or Track. All of this can be done with the remote in one hand and using just your thumb. Also, the Beo6 will display the album artwork and will keep displaying it while in the charger.

There IS a way to use an iPad with the BeoSound 5. You would need either a MLGW or BLGW. Sadly, this is the only way to get iPad control by B&O. However, the interface is excellent and allows typing full search names. It also shows the cover art. There is also a non-B&O iPad app (I can't recall the name but I'm sure other users will) that offers an interface that looks very much like the BeoSound 5 screen.

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The app's name you're thinking about is: Creation 5

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Newbie replied on Tue, Oct 18 2016 11:51 AM
Ok, if I want to control the BS5 i need the MLGW.

To integrate the Moment, I need a Converter ( whats the product name?)..

I think it costs the same.....

BS5 is prettier

Moment is newer

It is really hard

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Razlaw replied on Tue, Oct 18 2016 1:56 PM
Newbie:

Ok, if I want to control the BS5 i need the MLGW.

To integrate the Moment, I need a Converter ( whats the product name?)..

I think it costs the same.....

BS5 is prettier

Moment is newer

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Beosound Essence connected to Aux In gives you the best of both. Beosound 5 for looks. Beosound Essence when you want to control from a tablet. And Essence costs less than a converter or gateway. When using the Essence the Beosound 5 will only display the words aux in and not cover art as when playing from the Beosound 5 itself.

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beojeff replied on Tue, Oct 18 2016 2:25 PM

You only need a MLGW or BLGW if you want to use the official B&O BeoLink App. Of course, the MLGW/BLGW will give you much more features in terms of home automation.

However, you can still use some third party apps to control playing your home music library through your phone or tablet. The AUX in feature of the BeoSound 5 has many uses. You can connect an airport express to it. Or, you can connect a turntable. In reality, the BeoSound 5 is so beautiful that I mosty enjoy using its own interface. You can get some great deals these days on used Beo6 remotes for the ease of 2-way control from your sofa.

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pf85 replied on Tue, Oct 18 2016 4:00 PM

Agree fully with Razlaw and beojeff. Beosound 5 has reached a very high stability in terms of SW build and still amazes with its beautiful interface. Adding the Essence in Aux makes it compatible with today's smartphone or tablet world - or perfects it with MLGW or BLGW, albeit at some higher cost. Needless to say, once one is used to Beo 6, the control of the system with some quirky graphics works as well...

Although BS5 is a "legacy system" it can soldier on for many years to come...

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Duels replied on Tue, Oct 18 2016 4:29 PM
pf85:

Although BS5 is a "legacy system" it can soldier on for many years to come...

Well as long as replacement hard drives are available. Mine was replaced for the second time a month ago and I'm now experiencing crashes every few days.
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pf85 replied on Tue, Oct 18 2016 7:55 PM

Duels:
pf85:

 

Although BS5 is a "legacy system" it can soldier on for many years to come...

Well as long as replacement hard drives are available. Mine was replaced for the second time a month ago and I'm now experiencing crashes every few days.

Sorry to hear about the crashes. To "hedge" a bit on longevity, I am on the lookout for a BM5 as a spare...The BS5 unit with the display has not cracked under pressure yet...Anyway, I hope that there are enough computer specialists who could fix a BM5 if it fails in the distant future. 
In addition, I have asked my B&O dealer who has sold BS/BM5 to a rather big ownerbase to look into stocking spare parts... Not sure this is yet possible as long as there is only a part exchange process.

Any views of our 2nd life / B&O lifetime specialists on the spare topic are welcome - it may have been addressed in the past but may warrant reassessment today. 

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Newbie replied on Tue, Nov 1 2016 6:33 PM
Annother question:

I know I need a MLGW to control the Beosound5 with an Ipad.

Now I got one (second hand).

Is it possible to connect the Moment also with the MLGW or do I need the Coverter?

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Newbie:
Is it possible to connect the Moment also with the MLGW or do I need the Coverter?

You'd still need an NL/ML converter to connect a Moment to your ML devices.

Martin.

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