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The 2015 BEOLINK handbook

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Chris Posted: Fri, Jul 3 2015 8:52 PM

I don't know if anybody added this link or mentioned it in another thread. If this is not the case then its very interesting lecture especially for DIY forum-members, to solve actually a lot of answers on how to install a link network with all the parts needed.

Its the B&O bible: http://www.echo14.com/wp-content/uploads/Handbook.pdf

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Chris:

I don't know if anybody added this link or mentioned it in another thread. If this is not the case then its very interesting lecture especially for DIY forum-members, to solve actually a lot of answers on how to install a link network with all the parts needed.

Its the B&O bible: http://www.echo14.com/wp-content/uploads/Handbook.pdf

Wow - thanks!

Thats a gem for all beo-nerds.

Some of it was in other publications - never seen an allround-overview like this.

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Raeuber replied on Fri, Jul 3 2015 10:40 PM
Very interesting indeed, thank you!

But in most cases it's simply impossible to built up an enormous Netlink system.

And if you build a new house the installation of such a Netlink system will take more time than building the whole house!Devil

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@Räuber,

why?

a NL-setup basicly just needs a network (wireless or - better - wired with cat6/7 cables) and its own seperate router.

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total overkill
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Millemissen:

@Räuber,

why?

a NL-setup basicly just needs a network (wireless or - better - wired with cat6/7 cables) and its own seperate router.

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Not anything to indifferent from a wired ML system using ML and coax. Now you just run two CAT cables and ensure you use a good, robust router with a quality 8/16 port switch.

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Chris replied on Sat, Jul 4 2015 2:52 PM

StUrrock:
total overkill

I guess you mean the extra Cisco router, + subnet.

For a home user, this would only slow down the network without any advantages.

Another overkill is using CAT7 for home environment. CAT6 is spacious enough to enjoy future speeds, besides there you'll get even ordinary 8P8C connectors plugged on.

But I can get into it, B&O take no risks in their manual for setting up a network and can always answer that you not fulfill their requirements in case you have a malfunctioning.

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lonfred replied on Sat, Jul 4 2015 3:44 PM
It is big difference from ML-cable system. Instead of one cable around the house you now need 100 of network cables that goes to a patch central....
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Raeuber replied on Sat, Jul 4 2015 3:55 PM
lonfred:

It is big difference from ML-cable system. Instead of one cable around the house you now need 100 of network cables that goes to a patch central....

That's the point. And I doubt many customers have the possibility to do so in an existing home. In my office it was easier to install a PC network with a server for all employees.

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Amazone replied on Sat, Jul 4 2015 4:22 PM

There's a difference beween actual Netlink and running Powerlink Or Masterlink over CAT cabling. Where Cat5e is more than enough for ethernet and Netlink, i can imagine when running Powerlink you might need Cat6 or Cat7 to avoid humming or  Interference. It is also the Masterlink and Powerlink that require the huge amour of cables,  not Netlink as such.

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lonfred:
It is big difference from ML-cable system. Instead of one cable around the house you now need 100 of network cables that goes to a patch central....

How can setting up a network with a router and a switch be overkill?

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Millemissen:

How can setting up a network with a router and a switch be overkill?

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when most networks only need one router

and if not sending analogue audio (pl or ml) cat7 is just a pain and in fact can cause problems on HD matrixes over cat

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Sal replied on Sat, Jul 4 2015 9:46 PM

Great PDF. B&O should be applauded for being one of the few companies out there to have this many flexible options out there for integrating legacy products into the current paradigm, without too much sacrifice in functionality.

That being said, if you have only the newer products: network link appears to be no brainer for simplicity in integration. If you have a router / switch, that's all you ostensibly need.

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Exactly - setting up a subnetwork should not be necsessary in a lot of cases.

B&O has taken the 'safe road', when they suggest the subnetwork.

And for more complex installations AND a complex general network infrastructure, I guess they are right to do so.

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w5bno123 replied on Sat, Jul 4 2015 11:14 PM
lonfred:

It is big difference from ML-cable system. Instead of one cable around the house you now need 100 of network cables that goes to a patch central....

The major problem with a traditional ML setup was that the cable link ran in series which caused major issues if part of this cable setup went down. A star wired topology is standard in the IT and CI world so why shouldn't B&O adopt it? The approved CAT7 product cable is absolutely fine to use, I cannot see the issue with using a cable that can be configured to work with anything instead of a closed system Wink
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w5bno123:

The major problem with a traditional ML setup was that the cable link ran in series which caused major issues if part of this cable setup went down. A star wired topology is standard in the IT and CI world so why shouldn't B&O adopt it? The approved CAT7 product cable is absolutely fine to use, I cannot see the issue with using a cable that can be configured to work with anything instead of a closed system

although ML wiring could be run in series, the better installers had been star wiring ML (as long as the install length permitted)

sometimes along with a Cat cable

this then has allowed reuse of the ml cable for other purposes and given the original cable structure a new lease of life

also it made fault finding SO much easier
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