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UHD Blu-Ray standard finalized

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jvezina Posted: Sat, May 16 2015 2:53 AM

 

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/205593-ultra-hd-blu-ray-standard-finalized-4k-support-hdr-digital-bridge-sharing

 

Most commenters predict that the new format will be a failure. Only time will tell. 

Good reading,

Jean

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Raeuber replied on Sat, May 16 2015 6:51 AM
Thank you for sharing, very interesting indeed.

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mawheele replied on Sat, May 16 2015 7:46 AM

Rauber -  Ready for that Avant now ;-)

 

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Raeuber replied on Sat, May 16 2015 8:46 AM
mawheele:

Rauber - Ready for that Avant now ;-)

No, sorry, because Avant isn't ready for HDR!

And I would like to have an inbuilt UHD Bluray player in a Beovision, like BV7.

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jvezina:

Most commenters predict that the new format will be a failure. Only time will tell. 

Good reading,

Jean

Of course only time will tell!

However the UHD/BluRay is relatively futureproof (if we can talk about futureproof at all).

With the right tv/display - which are yet to come - it will bring us unmatched picture and sound quality.

If you don't have or intent to buy one of these tv's, you are very well served with the standart/HD BluRay!

Everyone can buy a UHD/BluRay-disc and pop it in. Not many will (for years to come) be able to stream or download content in the same quality.

Whether the UHD/BluRay will be a success or not, depends on the wishes and needs of the consumers - do they want the high quality picture and sound experience or are they happy with less?

I guess the UHD/BluRay will be more of a niche market product - but I don't doubt, that it will survive.

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Raeuber replied on Sat, May 16 2015 9:51 AM
B&O should jump on this train because UHD Blurays will provide DTS:X, Dolby Atmos, and Auro-3D sound formats. They could sell so much more Beolabs and that's why they should develop a sound engine supporting these sound formats.

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Raeuber:
B&O should jump on this train because UHD Blurays will provide DTS:X, Dolby Atmos, and Auro-3D sound formats. They could sell so much more Beolabs and that's why they should develop a sound engine supporting these sound formats.

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That is not as easy as it seems.

If you use the audioengine of the current tv's, the UHD/BluRay players would have to decode these audioformats (to PCM), because the audio engine does not support these formats.

However this is not part of the standart - these format are supposed to be decoded in a preamp/amp and will be transported as bitstream audio.

Whether the audioengine of the Avant at some point will be capable of this/whether B&O want this, I don't know.

My guessing is that this won't be possible, untill we see a new BV.

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Raeuber replied on Sat, May 16 2015 5:03 PM
Millemissen:

That is not as easy as it seems.

If you use the audioengine of the current tv's, the UHD/BluRay players would have to decode these audioformats (to PCM), because the audio engine does not support these formats.

However this is not part of the standart - these format are supposed to be decoded in a preamp/amp and will be transported as bitstream audio.

Whether the audioengine of the Avant at some point will be capable of this/whether B&O want this, I don't know.

My guessing is that this won't be possible, untill we see a new BV.

MM

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Hi MM,

I absolutely know it will be not easy and I guess not possible with Avant.

So here are the already official specs of the new BV:

- 4K OLED panel with HDR support

- inbuilt UHD bluray player

- 4K tuners

- HDD with support for 4K recording

- audio formats Dolby Atmos and Auro 3D

I have just ordered this new BV, shipment will be before christmas. Only the year is not confirmed, sure it will be 20??. Lets have a Party !!!

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With these specs, 10K EUR for a 55incher is a justified price. Solid investment into next 10 years of happy watching. :)

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Paul W replied on Sat, May 16 2015 5:28 PM

It just doesn't make sense B&O putting a 4K blu-ray player in a TV - not in todays market/generation. Plus for people who want this format, surely it's nice to choose a brand that appeals to you (OPPO, Pioneer, Panasonic, Marantz) - remember B&O fitted damn Samsung blu-ray players to their TVs and be truthful, if you had the choice, would you REALLY buy a Samsung player? I hear 99% saying no!

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Raeuber replied on Sat, May 16 2015 5:28 PM
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With these specs, 10K EUR for a 55incher is a justified price. Solid investment into next 10 years of happy watching. :)

That is true. But I am actually not sure if I have to pay this new BV in EUR or in 'Deutsche Mark'.
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Well hopefully it will hit the market before DEM gets back. Big Smile

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Raeuber replied on Sat, May 16 2015 5:32 PM
Paul W:

It just doesn't make sense B&O putting a 4K blu-ray player in a TV - not in todays market/generation. Plus for people who want this format, surely it's nice to choose a brand that appeals to you (OPPO, Pioneer, Panasonic, Marantz) - remember B&O fitted damn Samsung blu-ray players to their TVs and be truthful, if you had the choice, would you REALLY buy a Samsung player? I hear 99% saying no!

Most of us have a 'damn' Samsung panel in their Beovisions!

And I am really satisfied with my inbuilt bluray player in BV7, although I don't know if it is a Samsung player.

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If it was a Mk1 then yes it has a Samsung Bluray player, and yes it wasn't very good.

The Mk2 was a huge improvement, and Oppo was mentioned when I asked, but never really confirmed.

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Raeuber replied on Sat, May 16 2015 6:21 PM
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If it was a Mk1 then yes it has a Samsung Bluray player, and yes it wasn't very good.

The Mk2 was a huge improvement, and Oppo was mentioned when I asked, but never really confirmed.

It's the last BV 7-40 (Mk6). I don't know the brand of the bluray player, no infos in Service menue or elsewhere about this. It will be the same as in BV 7-55 Mk2, maybe Oppo.

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B&O is a third class company. Produces just crappy products with damn Samsung things in it. The only exception is A8! It's a great product :)

I'm just laughing my ASS off... 

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Paul W replied on Sat, May 16 2015 8:14 PM

BeoPiranha - Get a life!

 

Sorry guys not Oppo in the BVs - Samsung!

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Jeff replied on Sat, May 16 2015 8:41 PM

It will be interesting to see if this has legs or not. Just about every set these days has 3D support, every BluRay player I know of does 3D, and almost no one releases content in 3D or uses the 3D in their sets. I know plenty of people with 1080p sets who have never upgraded to a BluRay player. I predict that there will be a lot of people with 4k sets because the industry will push them who will never go the full distance and acquire 4k content.

High dynamic range has more potential to improve video, but most sets produced today won't even reproduce the dynamic range of regular DVD or BluRay.

Time will tell I guess, I might be wrong but it'll be interesting to watch. Now all we need for good entertainment is a format war, ala Beta/VHS and HD-DVD/BluRay.

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Jeff replied on Sat, May 16 2015 8:45 PM

Paul W:

BeoPiranha - Get a life!

 

Sorry guys not Oppo in the BVs - Samsung!

Paul please don't degrade other people like that. You wouldn't like it if people insulted you and thought bad thoughts about you would you? As I mentioned before, there was A LOT of bullying on this site and it must stop immediately. It is very very bad for BANG&OLUFSEN's image and does nothing to remove the stuffy image of the brand that even yesterday newspaper mentioned!

If you can't say anything nice about a person, then seriously shut up! Stick out tongue

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Definitely not the OPPO!

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Raeuber:
AnalogPlanet:

With these specs, 10K EUR for a 55incher is a justified price. Solid investment into next 10 years of happy watching. :)

That is true. But I am actually not sure if I have to pay this new BV in EUR or in 'Deutsche Mark'.

I'd prefer, if it was in DK-kroner.

And I would take it with an inbuilt (UHD-)BRP, but only if it must be.....

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Paul W:

It just doesn't make sense B&O putting a 4K blu-ray player in a TV - not in todays market/generation.

I agree with you on this!

It would only add unneccessary to the costs of the tv (and to the list price) - and not everyone would want it.

Besides, I am pretty sure, that B&O would never do that again - too complicated.

 

P.S. It is not a 4K player. It is a UHD player, which - in addition to more pixels - includes HDR, WCG and HFR...

 

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beopiranha replied on Sat, May 16 2015 10:47 PM

Thank you for showing us your level. I appreciate it ;) and still I keep laughing :)

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mawheele replied on Sun, May 17 2015 8:53 AM

Two words for this technology announcement. LASER DISC. 

Only a small number of people will care for this ultimate level of quality. They also buy hi-fi separates. 

Hopefully B&O will not make the mistake again of putting a drive in the TV.  The Blu-Ray in the BV7- which I had - was a huge mistake. I'm sure B&O have learnt a lot about a product with essentially multiple operating systems or loosely integrated code in one unit and know its just a bag of hurt.

Hold on in there people. 

If you want this high quality, get a next gen Oppo. If you want 80% of it (from films etc) and the best 1080P, which most day-to-day TV will be at for years to come get an Avant today and sit tight till the end of the year.

 

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elephant replied on Sun, May 17 2015 7:46 PM
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come get an Avant today and sit tight till the end of the year.

Waiting for what ?

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Not sure if you've seen this. But as I said the 4K onslaught starts in August. Get your Avant orders in now ;-)

From engadet:

While BT will begin charging Sky subscribers for access to Champions League football next season, the company may soon ask for more money from existing customers too. It's for a good reason, though: the company has said it will launch the first 4K channel in Europe in August, called BT Sport Ultra HD, delivering selected matches from the Premier League, FA Cup, Champions League and Aviva Premiership Rugby. As you'd expect, these broadcasts won't work on BT's existing hardware, so it'll introduce a new BT TV Ultra HD set-top box to do the heavy lifting.

Details are scarce but we do know that it'll be BT's "best ever" Youview+ box and is capable of storing up to 600 SD hours or up to 250 HD hours on its 1TB hard drive. In February, reports suggested that the broadcaster had brought forward the launch of its new box in order to steal a march on Sky. It's believed that it could also share streams to smartphones and tablets, like EE TV, and let users access recordings while on the move. BT also says that Ultra HD content will only be available to BT Infinity subscribers.

With BT soon to push 4K content, you can expect that Sky won't be too far behind. It too is said to be readying a new internet-connected 4K set-top box, but has yet to confirm plans. If you already own a 4K TV and intend to jump on BT's new hardware, the Community Shield will be the first match to be shown in Ultra HD when it kicks off in August.

 

 

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BillC replied on Wed, Jun 10 2015 5:13 AM
I think B&O has a good opportunity to capitalize on this and take a leadership role in the market. If they update the Avant to comply with the standard that could definitely assist in purchasing decision as it definitely helps future proofs the purchase. I know I'd definitely put in an order for either the 75 or 85 depending where prices lands. I'm one of those who held off waiting for the standards to finalize and something approaching OLED

In Aust I believe currently there is only one model that is compliant and has full local dimming. As great as it looks (visual quality wise) I rather not get it and the pricing is not so far off from B&O (currently) - yes I loss 13 inch diagonal in screen size but sometimes quality does really outweighs size
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Bv7Mk3 replied on Wed, Jun 10 2015 8:06 AM
A 4k movie streaming site is starting in September! Can't remember the name but did read it awhile ago!
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elephant replied on Thu, Jun 11 2015 5:51 AM
Bv7Mk3:

A 4k movie streaming site is starting in September! Can't remember the name but did read it awhile ago!

The first 8K Indie movie went up on YouTube this week Surprise

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Bv7Mk3 replied on Thu, Jun 11 2015 10:23 AM
Makes you wonder how long 4k will last? Whistle Will it turn out to be like Hd Ready!..Then went to 1080p later on. could it be the same with 4k. Sharp are bring out a 8k tv later this year. It's not the only manufacture doing this!
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Bv7Mk3 replied on Thu, Jun 11 2015 12:35 PM
The Beovision Can't get it right? spec design team!

A non Hevc tv & Hdr tv in shops now lol.
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Easy now - they haven't even agreed on the specs for a HDR standart yet!

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Millemissen:

Easy now - they haven't even agreed on the specs for a HDR standart yet!

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Exactly. Once these things have been nailed down TV will enter a whole new world of quality pictures, only then will I consider investing.

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This is good news though..

http://www.whathifi.com/news/lg-display-increases-4k-oled-yield-to-65

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Let's see what the chinese bring.

Maybe the days of Japan and Korea already are over.

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StUrrock replied on Thu, Jun 11 2015 7:12 PM
My wife just asked will the new UHD BluRays still be round and shiny Big Smile
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StUrrock replied on Thu, Jun 11 2015 7:16 PM
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Paul please don't degrade other people like that. You wouldn't like it if people insulted you and thought bad thoughts about you would you? As I mentioned before, there was A LOT of bullying on this site and it must stop immediately. It is very very bad for BANG&OLUFSEN's image and does nothing to remove the stuffy image of the brand that even yesterday newspaper mentioned!

If you can't say anything nice about a person, then seriously shut up!

Jeff

Beovirus victim, it's gotten to be too much to list!

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Paul W replied on Thu, Jun 11 2015 10:23 PM

He's taking the p*** Stuurock, that is exactly what I wrote to Jeff who was insulting and bullying the young guy called Electrified. The Jeff guy was bullying electrified and being completely insulting to him. He should have been suspended as it was true harassment!

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StUrrock replied on Thu, Jun 11 2015 11:21 PM
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He's taking the p*** Stuurock, that is exactly what I wrote to Jeff who was insulting and bullying the young guy called Electrified. The Jeff guy was bullying electrified and being completely insulting to him. He should have been suspended as it was true harassment!

Show me the link then so I can have a good read.

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