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Before the hype is getting unstoppable, I'd like to know what are the pros and cons of having a Loewe tv?
Is it only good if you compare it to a standalone BeoVision?
Or is it also good, when you already have a otherweise well functioning Beo-ecosystem/BeoLink setup?
Or a BeoVision as a full multichannel setup?
Does it require a radical change of your existing setup, then?
Is it worth sacrificing eg the excellent BV11 with PUC-controlled external devices linked to old and new B&O audio devices and other BV's.....controlled by one remote?
So, what are the pros and cons of exchanging the BV for a Loewe tv?
(How much/how often would you benefit from the cons - eg the picture specs - in daily living with the tv)
For whom/in which situations is a Loewe tv better?
And what if a new BV had roughly the same pricetag as a Loewe Bild 7/9?
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
One of the few alternatives with integrated motorised stands.
Graham
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.
What's the provenance of the sets? The company was taken over by a Chinese company a while back. Is the product Chinese and German branded? I'm totally aware that the V1 was from the land of the Skoda but being " Danishish " was appealing.
Beo Century ,Beoplay V1, Beocenter 6, Ex-Beolit 12, Beotime , A8. Beolit 15 , Form 2i , Beolab 2000, Beoplay A3.Beosound 1
Pros: Premium TV in a price range the customer is willing to pay the extra money against a "standard television"
e.g. Bild7: 55"OLED, HDR, Sourround processor inbuild, really good sound, motorized stand, stable software, +/- 6000€
Nice Gadgets like "fast channel switching" as in the good old days and with the Loewe App you can stream your TV channels to your I-pad
Cons: No PUC. no BR One, no NetLink with B&O, but you can connect it within the Loewe Range (so more or less the same).
For that kind of money, you even don't get a BV14-40" with standard fret. And the Horizon as the only cheaper alternative tv can't control motorized stands (in my eyes the biggest mistake B&O made), and has less good sound than the V1.
Simonbeo:What's the provenance of the sets? The company was taken over by a Chinese company a while back. Is the product Chinese and German branded? I'm totally aware that the V1 was from the land of the Skoda but being " Danishish " was appealing. Beo Century ,Beoplay V1, Beocenter 6, Ex-Beolit 12, Beotime , A8 , MX 5500 . Beolit 15 , Form 2i , Beolab 2000, Beoplay A3.
Millemissen: Before the hype is getting unstoppable, I'd like to know what are the pros and cons of having a Loewe tv?
Okay, this was clearly not my intention to start any hype about Loewe. I was very careful to phrase Loewe as an alternative, or an addition - not a replacement for B&O you should have in your home, right now, because B&O is rubbish... B&O is not rubbish, and B&O can offer things Loewe cannot. For a price, yes, but they're there.
Rather than just pop a Loewe banner on here, and let you all scratch your heads wondering why - I took a whole afternoon to write up exactly what was happening, and how I'd come to that point. I did it out of respect for you guys, not to start a 'war of brands'.
I'm a B&O fan, I always will be. I'd be a homeless B&O fan if I blindly carried on like this, though - so things had to change. I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but my family, my staff and my future come first. You'd do exactly the same.
I'll be having the technical training shortly, and I can assure you the instructor will be sick of me asking questions by the end of it. I will find out everything - and make informed, impartial decisions - and share them with you if you like!
As for Loewe being Chinese, I'm not sure about that? As far as I'm aware it's a German company, owned by Germans. The OLED panels are LG (as B&O will be using in the Eclipse) and the sets are assembled at the Loewe factory, in Germany. I'll be asking the question though, don't worry.
B&O Loudspeakers can be connected, easily. B&O Loudspeakers are superb - and Loewe will, I'm sure, freely admit they're nowhere near Bang & Olufsen in the Loudspeaker department. As B&O place less emphasis on TV's, Loewe place more emphasis. As B&O place more emphasis on Loudspeakers, Loewe are happy to carry on as they are - with lower end solutions on the whole. I can't see the brands going head-to-head, I simply see them as a compliment to each other when a customer has a BV7 with BL8000/6000/BL2 and can't afford to upgrade to a BV14, Horizon, or Eclipse. He/She can keep the speakers, enjoy fantastic B&O sound - and have a modern TV with the latest specs.
So, finally, and once again I will say - I am not 'leaving B&O' and I will continue to deal in pre-owned, but (through no fault of my own, and no lack of trying) the numbers will be down. I'll always be here, I'll always love the brand, and if I'm ever welcome again in Struer after this, I'll continue to do reviews and engage with some wonderful people I've had the pleasure to meet in Denmark.
Lee
Pros:
Bild 5 OLED 55" with its soundbar and stand at 4.000 EUR vs Horizon 48" outdated panel & buggy software at 4.800 EUR
Cons:
BeoRemote One is 10x more beautiful :), if multiroom would work then it is great to have B&O integration, I still prefer Horizon's design compared any other TV set I've seen (even if I like Bild 5 OLED very, very much)
In other words, Loewe for me is a compromise I am willing to make since B&O is obviously taking their customers for granted with overpriced yet s****y products lately.
9 LEE: Millemissen: Before the hype is getting unstoppable, I'd like to know what are the pros and cons of having a Loewe tv? Okay, this was clearly not my intention to start any hype about Loewe.
Okay, this was clearly not my intention to start any hype about Loewe.
Honestly, I was not thinking of you as I started the thread.
It is just that Loewe has been mentioned several times in the past on the forum - so often that one might think of it as a real replacement for a BV.
I do respect your decitions for your business.
There are several B&O stores in DK, that also sell Loewe products and have been selling for quite a while - I am quite used to that.
I think that you have made a right choice - selling preused B&O nowadays is nothing to get rich from (as a buyer of preused B&O I am more pleased, I must admit) - I do wish you good luck.
And I would not want to question your loyality to the B&O brand in general, not at all!
In your post above you mentioned Loewe as being supreriour to B&O, when it comes to picture/tv (although that might rapidly change soon).
And you mentioned B&O being superiour to Loewe, when it comes to speakers.
I'd like to add a third 'thing', that is seldom mentioned in the discussions here: the audio engine working in any BV (and in the modern Sound System as well)!
I can't see any one else reaching that level - it is an integrated part of the modern BV and it is a great deal of what makes a BV special.
A Loewe tv can imo certainly be an alternative for some users in some cases - but they can by far not replace a good BV (which we have had with the BV11 etc and hopefully with the coming BV Eclipse and more to come).
That was the reason for starting this thread - people should find out what they need, before buying into a Loewe tv - to avoid disappointment.
AnalogPlanet:In other words, Loewe for me is a compromise I am willing to make since B&O is obviously taking their customers for granted with overpriced yet s****y products lately.
This sums up exactly my own position with regard to B&O. Simon.
B&O products are V1-32, BS2, H95, E8 and an Essence remote.11-46 now replaced with Sony A90J 65”, Sony HT-A9, Sony UBP-X800M2 and Sony SRS-NS7.
A bit like punishing B&O, when you buy Loewe ;-))
Considering I sell both brands now, I can only give my observations. B&O have had a sticky 12 plus months with s/w. It has cost me business and only the skill of sales and technical staff avoided greater customer dissatisfaction. That is largely in the past with some glitches still to be addressed...I hope B&O has learnt multiple lessons here....we shall see.
Loewe for me is the perfect brand to "hoover" up the substantial number of potential clients who baulk at B&O prices and made their way to John Lewis or PC World for a Samsung. It is a lovely thing offering European style and does rather nicely. It is however nothing like B&O in usability terms, finish or sound. They were a relief for the troops selling them as instantly, there seemed to be no s/w issues! Again, whether that continues, we shall see.
To sum up, B&O has a great deal more to offer in terms of integration, sound, finish and sheer style but Loewe is a marvelous second eleven. I'll revisit this page after the selling season and give an honest appraisal of both brands in terms of popularity and performance.
PS I've also signed up for the new(ish) B&O shop fit. How's that for a vote of confidence from an old campaigner!
What i have forgotten to write in my statement above.
..... but if i hide the aspect of the prize difference, i´d always take a BV
Millemissen: Honestly, I was not thinking of you as I started the thread. It is just that Loewe has been mentioned several times in the past on the forum - so often that one might think of it as a real replacement for a BV. MM
Thank you for clarifying MM.
Just to point out though, I don't recall ever saying Loewe was superior to B&O in picture quality? If I did, or you read something I said that way, I apologise.
B&O are obviously superior to Loewe in Loudspeaker technology. No questioning that. Audio Engine? Once I've heard Loewe, properly, I'll let you know.
However, it's like comparing a Rolls Royce Phantom with a BMW 7-Series. The Rolls Royce has the edge because it's gone that extra mile with the very best leather, wood, craftsmanship, engineering, prestige, 'magic little touches' like the umbrella popping out of the rear door, thick lambswool carpets - and so on.
However, the Rolls Royce costs £347,000 in basic form. The 7-Series costs £60,360 in basic form.
Does that make the 7-Series a poor car? No, it doesn't. To many people the 7-Series is an incredible car, and one we'd all love to own. It's kind of a 'Rolls Royce for normal people' if you will.
B&O isn't that any more. It's a Rolls Royce for people who can only afford a Rolls Royce. So, when there's a void left - it needs filling.. and other brands will see this, and jump in.
Bang & Olufsen are a special company. No doubt. The AV world is a better place with them around.
Sadly, though, only special people can afford it these days...
9 LEE: Sadly, though, only special people can afford it these days...
And, to be fair, I don't think they are buying. I know lots of those 'special' people here in Bath and almost none of them go into the Bath B&O store anymore. Most moved on a few years ago.
Really funny, I know a couple who own a multi-million pound flat on the Royal Crescent. I asked them about B&O last year and they said "does anyone buy that anymore? It's too expensive?". And they travel on expensive holidays frequently, drive a Porsche and so on. And his opinion was the brand was too expensive.
Lee:Maybe youc an already answer this question, or ask the Loewe guy?I need a hidden box that can take the optical or HDMI-ARC out of an Loewe TV and convert it to 5.1 for my existing B&O 5.1 setup.That is all i need, and the only reason i still stick to an old Beovision 9 over a 55 Loewe Art.I understand that i would need to buy a 7-1 or similar to get a center speaker unless Loewe has incorporated a way to use the build in speaker as Center?I am on my way to stop my TV subscription and go all in on streaming + Chromecast. The chromecast offers 5.1 optical out. By using HDMI-CEC with ARC (Or Anynet+ if you want).For reasons unknown the HDMI standard does not require the TV to output 5.1 through the ARC if the source is connected to another HDMI port (eg the Chromecast). Some brands does. Does Loewe?Alternative is to hide a Surround receiver with pre-out in my "technial room" but that is ~25m away. Seems silly to run a coax signal to in order to run a complete analog signal back to the corners of my living room
Hi Mogelmose,
Yes, this is possible - there are two options for getting surround sound from a Loewe TV (depending on the model of Loewe TV):-
1) Older Loewe TVs have a 26 pin "Audiolink" connector which I can convert to use with Beolab speakers.
2) The 2017 "Bild" TV range has a DAL (Digital Audio Link) socket instead, this needs a DAL to Audiolink converter (which Lee can supply). I can then provide the cabling to convert from this adapter to any combination of Beolab speakers.
If you just want stereo sound from a Loewe TV to one or two Beolab speakers, this is straightforward and we can do this with a simple cable connection.
Please feel free to get in touch via my sponsor link below if you need any further help.
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I know nothing about Loewe Tv's so I can't comment on their performance compared to B&O, I can only comment on how they look. B&O make much prettier looking Tv's, much prettier. Loewe is cheaper and you get cheaper looking. That is the bottom line really.
Steve at Sounds Heavenly: Hi Mogelmose, Yes, this is possible - there are two options for getting surround sound from a Loewe TV (depending on the model of Loewe TV):- 1) Older Loewe TVs have a 26 pin "Audiolink" connector which I can convert to use with Beolab speakers. 2) The 2017 "Bild" TV range has a DAL (Digital Audio Link) socket instead, this needs a DAL to Audiolink converter (which Lee can supply). I can then provide the cabling to convert from this adapter to any combination of Beolab speakers. If you just want stereo sound from a Loewe TV to one or two Beolab speakers, this is straightforward and we can do this with a simple cable connection. Please feel free to get in touch via my sponsor link below if you need any further help. Kind regards, Steve.
That sounds great. This leaves me with one question. Are the volume variable or fixed with the audio link? If it is fixed i need 3 Beolink active also :p
The Audiolink output is variable volume, so ideal for connecting to Beolab speakers. However, if you can please tell me the model of TV that you have, I can check if this also has fixed stereo outputs that we could use with Beolink Active.
@mogelmose
Goes like this:
Get the DAL - https://loewe-jylland.dk/produkter/converter-digital-audiolink as an example.
Get the breakout cables - https://almando.com/index.php/accessories/loewe-accessories/loewe-audiolink-adapter-30cm.html?___store=endkunde_eng&___from_store=default or from Steve
You can find the User Handbook of a Bild7 here - look at page 109 and following for setup https://www.loewe.tv/dk/support/manualer.html
BenSA: I know nothing about Loewe Tv's so I can't comment on their performance compared to B&O, I can only comment on how they look. B&O make much prettier looking Tv's, much prettier. Loewe is cheaper and you get cheaper looking. That is the bottom line really.
Absolutely agree, actually. Loewe is cheaper, and when comparing say a Bild 5 - 40 UHD on a Motor Floor Stand to a BV14 - 40" on a Motor Floor Stand with beautifully crafted Oak Speaker Cover, it is indeed cheaper looking. The Loewe cannot compete with those looks. Fact.
So, there you are. BenSA is correct. 100% correct. No doubt. No argument. I put my hands in the air, and agree entirely. The BV14 is an incredible looking TV. Pure class. The Rolls-Royce standard of fit, finish and build quality (if you ignore the software).
So, let's crunch numbers, just to be thorough...
Bang & Olufsen BeoVision 14 - 40" UHD Smart TV with Motor Floor Stand and Oak Grille : £6,875
Loewe Bild 5 - 40" UHD Smart TV on Motorised Floor Stand : £2,648
You get what you pay for. It's just how much extra you're prepared to pay...
That's my point.
The B&O TV is better looking, for sure. Is it worth two and a half times more? That's the question you must ask yourself. If it's "yes" - then I agree with you. If it's "no" - I agree with you. Nobody is right, or wrong - nobody is clever, nobody stupid. It's a personal decision.
9 LEE:Absolutely agree, actually. Loewe is cheaper, and when comparing say a Bild 5 - 40 UHD on a Motor Floor Stand to a BV14 - 40" on a Motor Floor Stand with beautifully crafted Oak Speaker Cover, it is indeed cheaper looking. The Loewe cannot compete with those looks. Fact. So, there you are. BenSA is correct. 100% correct. No doubt. No argument. I put my hands in the air, and agree entirely. The BV14 is an incredible looking TV. Pure class. The Rolls-Royce standard of fit, finish and build quality (if you ignore the software). So, let's crunch numbers, just to be thorough... Bang & Olufsen BeoVision 14 - 40" UHD Smart TV with Motor Floor Stand and Oak Grille : £6,875 Loewe Bild 5 - 40" UHD Smart TV on Motorised Floor Stand : £2,648 You get what you pay for. It's just how much extra you're prepared to pay... That's my point. The B&O TV is better looking, for sure. Is it worth two and a half times more? That's the question you must ask yourself. If it's "yes" - then I agree with you. If it's "no" - I agree with you. Nobody is right, or wrong - nobody is clever, nobody stupid. It's a personal decision. Lee
Livingroom: BL3, BL11, BV11-46 Kitchen: Beosound 1 GVA, Beocom 2 Bathroom: M3 Homeoffice: M3, Beocom 2 Library: Beosound Emerge, Beocom 6000 Bedroom: M5, Essence remote Travel: Beoplay E8 2.0, Beoplay EQ, Beoplay Earset
Millemissen:@mogelmose Goes like this: Get the DAL - https://loewe-jylland.dk/produkter/converter-digital-audiolink as an example. Get the breakout cables - https://almando.com/index.php/accessories/loewe-accessories/loewe-audiolink-adapter-30cm.html?___store=endkunde_eng&___from_store=default or from Steve You can find the User Handbook of a Bild7 here - look at page 109 and following for setup https://www.loewe.tv/dk/support/manualer.html MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
9 LEE: So, let's crunch numbers, just to be thorough... Bang & Olufsen BeoVision 14 - 40" UHD Smart TV with Motor Floor Stand and Oak Grille : £6,875 Loewe Bild 5 - 40" UHD Smart TV on Motorised Floor Stand : £2,648 You get what you pay for. It's just how much extra you're prepared to pay...
This goes on and on!
But why the Loewe 40", when you can get a 55" OLED from Philips at 14999 DKK/1800 UK£
https://www.elgiganten.dk/product/tv-radio/fladskarms-tv/55POS9002/philips-55-oled-4k-uhd-smart-tv-55pos9002?scid=SEM1
It is a tv after all - just like the Loewe.
vlohjr1: Millemissen: @mogelmose Goes like this: Get the DAL - https://loewe-jylland.dk/produkter/converter-digital-audiolink as an example. Get the breakout cables - https://almando.com/index.php/accessories/loewe-accessories/loewe-audiolink-adapter-30cm.html?___store=endkunde_eng&___from_store=default or from Steve You can find the User Handbook of a Bild7 here - look at page 109 and following for setup https://www.loewe.tv/dk/support/manualer.html MM There is a tv - and there is a BV. Is there anyway for bl18 wisa to work with the Loewe tv?
Millemissen: @mogelmose Goes like this: Get the DAL - https://loewe-jylland.dk/produkter/converter-digital-audiolink as an example. Get the breakout cables - https://almando.com/index.php/accessories/loewe-accessories/loewe-audiolink-adapter-30cm.html?___store=endkunde_eng&___from_store=default or from Steve You can find the User Handbook of a Bild7 here - look at page 109 and following for setup https://www.loewe.tv/dk/support/manualer.html MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
There is a tv - and there is a BV.
Is there anyway for bl18 wisa to work with the Loewe tv?
Loewe has their own wireless standart via a breakout box...for their own wireless speakers.
I guess you could use the DAL/breakout cable solution to a WiSa transmitter -> BL18
9 LEE: BenSA: I know nothing about Loewe Tv's so I can't comment on their performance compared to B&O, I can only comment on how they look. B&O make much prettier looking Tv's, much prettier. Loewe is cheaper and you get cheaper looking. That is the bottom line really. Absolutely agree, actually. Loewe is cheaper, and when comparing say a Bild 5 - 40 UHD on a Motor Floor Stand to a BV14 - 40" on a Motor Floor Stand with beautifully crafted Oak Speaker Cover, it is indeed cheaper looking. The Loewe cannot compete with those looks. Fact. So, there you are. BenSA is correct. 100% correct. No doubt. No argument. I put my hands in the air, and agree entirely. The BV14 is an incredible looking TV. Pure class. The Rolls-Royce standard of fit, finish and build quality (if you ignore the software). So, let's crunch numbers, just to be thorough... Bang & Olufsen BeoVision 14 - 40" UHD Smart TV with Motor Floor Stand and Oak Grille : £6,875 Loewe Bild 5 - 40" UHD Smart TV on Motorised Floor Stand : £2,648 You get what you pay for. It's just how much extra you're prepared to pay... That's my point. The B&O TV is better looking, for sure. Is it worth two and a half times more? That's the question you must ask yourself. If it's "yes" - then I agree with you. If it's "no" - I agree with you. Nobody is right, or wrong - nobody is clever, nobody stupid. It's a personal decision. Lee
Its difficult to know if its really justified to charge that much, we would have to know how much each TV costs to manufacture. One has to remember that to have employees that can work on aluminium and wood like the employees at B&O can, can't come cheap. The development of these aspects are also costly. B&O TV's are not flawless but they are supposed to be considered as more bespoke than a Loewe. B&O have always had software issues....even the Beosound 3000 range had software problems. If you want a extremely reliable product then B&O isn't for you because they push the boundaries in everything they design and with pushing the boundaries so you increase the risk of failure or issues.
Millemissen: This goes on and on! But why the Loewe 40", when you can get a 55" OLED from Philips at 14999 DKK/1800 UK£ https://www.elgiganten.dk/product/tv-radio/fladskarms-tv/55POS9002/philips-55-oled-4k-uhd-smart-tv-55pos9002?scid=SEM1 It is a tv after all - just like the Loewe. MM
.... which makes the 14-40" price look even worse.
You're right MM.
Loewe makes a beautiful TV. I would probably purchase one if they were more widely available outside of Europe. After the death of David Lewis, none of the current range of B&O televisions have been as inspiring.
BeoLab 5, BeoVision 7-55 MK2, BeoSound 5 Encore, BeoSound 9000, BeoLab Penta III, BeoLab 8000, BeoLab 6000, BeoLab 2, BeoLab 7-6, BeoSound 8, BeoTime (analog clock), Beo 4 remote.
Millemissen: But why the Loewe 40", when you can get a 55" OLED from Philips at 14999 DKK/1800 UK£ https://www.elgiganten.dk/product/tv-radio/fladskarms-tv/55POS9002/philips-55-oled-4k-uhd-smart-tv-55pos9002?scid=SEM1 It is a tv after all - just like the Loewe.
True. But I think Lee's point (potentially) is that the Loewe is a reasonable compromise between design, style and performance at an affordable price. That Philips is decent, but it's not hugely different from the Samsung, OLED and so on. The Loewe has a little more design flair.
If you apply the philosophy of judging primarily on price, then you'd never buy B&O or Loewe for that matter!
moxxey:True. But I think Lee's point (potentially) is that the Loewe is a reasonable compromise between design, style and performance at an affordable price. That Philips is decent, but it's not hugely different from the Samsung, OLED and so on. The Loewe has a little more design flair.
And I believe that was a rethoric question in the first place. Just wondering who would REALLY not see any difference between Loewe and Samsung, Philips etc? With million miles between them in terms of design, materials used... Plus, Loewe OLEDs are manufactured in Germany. Not China, not Korea, not Czechia (respectfully, but...)
So elaborating further why Loewe TV is not just another 800 EUR Philips is very redundant to pretty much everyone I guess.
Back to the topic: with all the workarounds in place, still it looks like Loewe integration for current B&O customers with a lot of speakers and other equipment is nowhere close to be neither elegant nor visually attractive (extra boxes, wires, adapters... not sexy). But it could be a cost-effective second-best choice perhaps. And I sense that almost everyone who was posting shared similar sentiment.
AnalogPlanet: Back to the topic:..
Back to the topic:..
Talking about Loewe and other designs isn't "off topic"!
Also, are the Loewe TVs really manufactured in Germany in 2017? Would be impressed if they were.
Per their web site:
"For over 80 years, Loewe has invented television, we have kept our "Made in Germany" promise. Development, production and service departments are still based in Kronach (Upper Franconia). Loewe systems are designed to last and have emphasis on economic energy consumption. Modular technology, premium materials, precise workmanship, regular software updates and, not least, timeless design, guarantee the great feeling of owning a sustainable product."
MediaBobNY:"For over 80 years, Loewe has invented television, we have kept our "Made in Germany" promise. Development, production and service departments are still based in Kronach (Upper Franconia)..."
This statement should carry a lot of weight in terms of Loewe's business philosophy with forum members here, especially with all of the frustrations expressed with B&O's reduced presence in Denmark. Perhaps Loewe's commitment to stay in Germany is made financially possible as a result of the prices of their products, the quality of the software and service they provide, and the generally larger customer base they can attract based the previously mentioned characteristics of their products.
I'd be shocked if the panels weren't made in Korea or China, probably at an LG plant. LG OLED tech seems to have just about cornered the market vs. Samsung's approach. Shipped to Germany and assembled there, which is at least something, with at least some parts sourced from Germany.
All such panels may go away if the Norks get into it with S. Korea.
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
Jeff: I'd be shocked if the panels weren't made in Korea or China, probably at an LG plant.
I'd be shocked if the panels weren't made in Korea or China, probably at an LG plant.
Panels are only made by a handful of factories, all based in Korea of China - they definitely aren't made in Germany. But the assembly and case will be.
9 LEE: Millemissen: This goes on and on! But why the Loewe 40", when you can get a 55" OLED from Philips at 14999 DKK/1800 UK£ https://www.elgiganten.dk/product/tv-radio/fladskarms-tv/55POS9002/philips-55-oled-4k-uhd-smart-tv-55pos9002?scid=SEM1 It is a tv after all - just like the Loewe. MM .... which makes the 14-40" price look even worse. You're right MM.
This is exactly the same argument that has been going on since the release of the first BV7 - people saying "Yes, but I can get a Samsung for £600" quickly followed by a staunch B&O advocate saying " OK, but look at all of the extras you get with the BV7"!
Meanwhile we witness the exponentially increasing feature content/value of the £600 TV's not to mention the picture quality and styling which we could probably plot linearly on a graph against the closure of B&O dealers. There is also a lengthening queue of ex B&O advocates.
There may be a premium available for a more "stylish TV" but in these days where there is mostly screen with very little "TV" it becomes very difficult to make anything else look anything other than just bigger. Meanwhile the soundengine is a fantastic solution desperately needing a mass market home at a much lower pricepoint.
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Sal:This statement should carry a lot of weight in terms of Loewe's business philosophy with forum members here, especially with all of the frustrations expressed with B&O's reduced presence in Denmark. Perhaps Loewe's commitment to stay in Germany is made financially possible as a result of the prices of their products, the quality of the software and service they provide, and the generally larger customer base......