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Dear users.
I'm using PMS on my QNAP NAS and I'm not able to stream ALAC music files to any B&O products via DLNA, while I can through other DLNA media servers such as Twonky or Minimserver running on the same QNAP NAS.
The only music i can stream using PMS DLNA are MP3 files
When trying with the APP, I receive an error message saying that the track cannot be inserted in the playing queue, using Twonky UI (selecting PMS DLNA as source and B&O product as target), I receive "Device cannot play this content" message back.
Has anyone be successful in streaming ALAC to B&O product through PMS DLNA?
Thanks
BS Moment, BS Core, BG 4002, BC 4500, BS1, BL18, BL19, BL8000 + RCV1, A6, M5, M3, A1, P6 (tks Botty), H5, TR1
See
https://support.plex.tv/articles/203810286-what-media-formats-are-supported/
steve1977:I’m a heavy DLNA and also a heavy Plex user. Unfortunately, the plex dlna server is rather poorly implemented (not following the dlna standard), so i don’t use. I’m using minimserver instead.
Unfortunately, the plex dlna server is rather poorly implemented (not following the dlna standard), so i don’t use. I’m using minimserver instead.
Thanks guys, wanted to be sure that it was not an issue on my side only. I'll see if a DLNA profile can be written for B&O products.
@Steve: To resume our Moment discussion, having PLEX working properly as DLNA server for the Moment would also bring the ability for you (us) to self manage artist's images at the same time, and for me to avoid the multiplication of DLNA servers .... I like Minimserver as it is the fastest/most flexible way to browse a collection with the B&O app and I like PLEX for its reach interface. If I could get read of Twonky, I would be happy.
Steve: I’d been in touch with the glider developer who’s been very helpful. but didn’t have high hopes to get plex to work due to their non-traditional implementation of dlna.Mbolo: He is indeed, I had very good exchanges with him too, unfortunately Glider and B&O products are not talking very well together.
Steve: Also, plex still does not allow playlist support.Mbolo: should not be a big thing to implement in their DLNA server as the playlist feature exists withing their UI
Steve: The plex ios and tvos apps are very good though.Mbolo: yes they are, from time to time I cast to my B&O products
Steve: I’m running minimserver as docker, which is quite light.Mbolo: running it natively does not hit my NAS as other media servers do to be honest.
Steve: The minimserver developer is also quite active. I may drop a note on the forum to see whether the artist support could get integrated.Mbolo: Would you mind asking for a "Recently Added" option? I think it has been asked a couple of time in the Minim forum, but not implemented yet.
steve1977: What’s your issue with glider and b&o? Airplay and CCA are both well supported. It doesn’t stream gapless, but neither does our very own moment.
What’s your issue with glider and b&o? Airplay and CCA are both well supported. It doesn’t stream gapless, but neither does our very own moment.
It was back in May 2018, I tried to leverage the Glider DLNA controller to stream to the Moment which does not have Airplay nor CCA as you know. At that time Glider's communication with the Moment was not fluid enough to be adopted and the app was crashing very often.
steve1977:Agree. I’d also be very happy to get rid of minimserver and have it all consolidated in plex.
steve1977:I may drop a note on the forum to see whether the artist support could get integrated.
mbolo01:It was back in May 2018, I tried to leverage the Glider DLNA controller to stream to the Moment which does not have Airplay nor CCA as you know. At that time Glider's communication with the Moment was not fluid enough to be adopted and the app was crashing very often.
I never thought of this use case. This would actually be great, but pity to see that it is not functioning well.
In fact, Glider is no longer actively developed (the developer joined Apple), so I don't anticipate any further improvement.
Unfortunately, I don't see any other DNA APP being able to replace Glider. They are either buggy or have a horrible UI.
In short, I'll need to rely on the Moment for DLNA, which is working surprisingly well and has a reasonably goo UI (though a bit slow).
Carolpa:I would certainly do the opposite and keep Minimserver and dump the Plex server as Music server
That's what I currently do. Not ideal as I prefer not to use two apps, but doable. Also not so easy as - while minimserver is exceptional - there is no solid client since Glider stopped developing. As shared above, the Moment sortof does the trick and works very well with minimserver.
Carolpa:A question already asked in January this year. But please ask again, it will keep the attention.
I have piled on the minimserver both about "recently added albums" as well as "hosting artist covers". Simon - the developer - immediately replied and it seems on the development roadmap. Maybe you can chime in as well asn offer testing help?
https://forum.minimserver.com/showthread.php?tid=5372&page=2
https://forum.minimserver.com/showthread.php?tid=5368
Great news indeed! I'll register and volunteer to beta test Minim features
I'm currently working on building a B&O PLEX profile, we will see if I manage to have something working !!!
mbolo01: I'm currently working on building a B&O PLEX profile, we will see if I manage to have something working !!!
Bingo! I managed to build a profile for my M3 and I can now stream my ALAC tracks from PLEX to B&O M3
Sep 09, 2019 09:54:51.514 [0x7f5fe9fc5700] DEBUG - Mapped client to profile BO M3 using header User-Agent: ModernHttpClient/1.0 BangOlufsen/2.8.0.22527
... working now on fine tuning bitrate limitations and next a generic B&O profile.
If it works, I'll try to have the Moment leveraging PLEX for DLNA and Artist's image.
How do you use it? You select the music and then stream from the Plex APP to the M3? And then use the B&O app to have other B&O speakers join?
steve1977: How do you use it? You select the music and then stream from the Plex APP to the M3? And then use the B&O app to have other B&O speakers join?
I would love to do it this way for DLNA, but unfortunately the PLEX app is not a DLNA controller (or I missed something). With PLEX App I can only trigger Chromecast stream to B&O products, or group of products, which I do from time to time, or Airplay (which I never use).
The goal here is to configure the Moment to use PLEX DLNA for Music and Photos in order to get rid of Twonky and being left with Minimserver and PLEX only.
The way I test is to add PLEX as a DLNA server in the B&O App and stream to B&O products.
For now I'm fighting to build the profile so no transcode happens and bitrate is the one set in the music file.
mbolo01: For now I'm fighting to build the profile so no transcode happens and bitrate is the one set in the music file.
CONCLUSION: I managed to build a B&O device profile in PLEX so I can stream lossless tracks from PLEX DLNA server to B&O products, but the initial goal is not met, BS Moment is not able to find any music on the PLEX DLNA server.
Moving now on BS Moment bigger issues: Deezer being crazy, grey MoodWheel inner ring and no more Gracenote fetching of artist's images .....
Hi mbolo1 and steve1977,
I have a Moment and WD MyPassportWireless (running Twonky) and a WD MyCloudHome (running a special version of Plex). I can see both servers in the B&O app and stream to the Moment or an M5. I can also play music from either server through the Avant Homemedia. What I can't do is get the Moment to behave (compilation albums are not kept together by twonky, plex tag data is not read properly etc). I'm curious about the minimserver or some other way to get my Moment to interact properly with my music.
I want:
1. mood wheel data harvested in Moment
2. want to use PatternPlay so that I can leave most music selection to the Moment
3. compilation albums (almost all classic albums and soundtracks and best of...) staying as an album
4. playlists so that my wife can quickly find stuff she wants to play amongst the ten of thousands of songs in my library
Can either of you give me any advice? I actually have almost two complete versions of my music library. One supposedly high quality (FLAC) to play through the B&O system, and one lower quality (mp3) to play while on the move (car, earphones, etc).
cstephen:Can either of you give me any advice?
Hi there, before providing you with my experience on these components, I would like to know how you manage your music library, i.e. what do you use to maintain the metadata of your tracks? I can see PLEX, but is it the only tool?
As an example, I use iTunes on a Mac to load my tracks in a shared area of my QNAP NAS and my DLNA servers are pointing to this shared area to do their job. Twonky, Minimserver do not enrich the metadata, PLEX does but in its own database if I understand well. When I need to provide more metadata, or correct the existing ones, I use Metadatics, Song Kong or MusicBrainz Picard depending on what suits me the best.
Hi,
I use Exact Audio Copy to load the music from my CD's to the file storage and then MP3tag to check/update the metadata
cstephen: I want: 1. mood wheel data harvested in Moment 2. want to use PatternPlay so that I can leave most music selection to the Moment 3. compilation albums (almost all classic albums and soundtracks and best of...) staying as an album 4. playlists so that my wife can quickly find stuff she wants to play amongst the ten of thousands of songs in my library Can either of you give me any advice? I actually have almost two complete versions of my music library. One supposedly high quality (FLAC) to play through the B&O system, and one lower quality (mp3) to play while on the move (car, earphones, etc).
1. The Moment will analyze your DLNA library, fetch tracks' mood from Gacenote, assuming the tracks are recognized, and the inner ring will be populated accordingly.
2. I'm not a PatternPlay user, but I guess it gets better as you use the Moment, avoiding any reset that would clear the PatternPlay database.
3. For the Moment to recognize a compilation you have to be set the album artist name to "Various Artists". This way, all your compilation albums will be placed under de VA tile
4. The Moment does not manage playlists as such but leverages playlists exposed by the DLNA server. On my side I use Twonky with my Moment and Twonky is configured to leverage iTunes playlists. Result: iTunes playlists are available in the Moment User Interface.
Comment on PLEX (I'm repeating myself, sorry): I had to build a device profile in PLEX to allow tracks over 44100 Hz to be streamed by the PLEX DLNA server to B&O products, and I was not able to use the PLEX DLNA server running on QNAP as a DLNA source for the Moment, no tracks are being found.
Thanks for your assistance.
1. I have a situation where the Moment will go to the twonky server and find the tracks but the inner wheel of the mood wheel is blank (ie no mood data from the local DLNA collection). Is this therefore a gracenote problem, or a problem with the Moment, or perhaps a problem with the metadata? I haven't got the Moment to reliably get track data from plex yet, so am very interested in your profile.
2. Yes, I'm sure patternplay will work when I get all track data into the Moment... (it used to work until B&O upgraded the Moment software. They've now downgraded it for me, so I'm back to building the database again).
3. Thanks for the tip re the Various Artists. For some reason I thought the twonky server didn't honour the various artists tag.
4. How do you get the iTunes playlists into twonky? I see there's a playlist building capability in plex, but am not sure their playlists are recognised by the Moment.
cstephen: Thanks for your assistance. 1. I have a situation where the Moment will go to the twonky server and find the tracks but the inner wheel of the mood wheel is blank (ie no mood data from the local DLNA collection). Is this therefore a gracenote problem, or a problem with the Moment, or perhaps a problem with the metadata? I haven't got the Moment to reliably get track data from plex yet, so am very interested in your profile. 2. Yes, I'm sure patternplay will work when I get all track data into the Moment... (it used to work until B&O upgraded the Moment software. They've now downgraded it for me, so I'm back to building the database again). 3. Thanks for the tip re the Various Artists. For some reason I thought the twonky server didn't honour the various artists tag. 4. How do you get the iTunes playlists into twonky? I see there's a playlist building capability in plex, but am not sure their playlists are recognised by the Moment.
You are welcome.
1. The Mood inner wheel issue is now known by B&O now, they should be working on a fix, we need to be patient.
3. Twonky relies on the "compilation" tag to group compilations under "Various" artist name, but the Moment has its own logic.
4. You have to (1) use iTunes to manage your music, (2) create static playlists - dynamic do not work - (3) point Twonky music shared folder to the iTunes directory and (4) modify the TwonkyServer.ini file to enable iTunes playlist awareness. If you go for (1) to (3) I can help on (4). On my side, when I set PLEX as the DLNA server in the Moment configuration, no music is discovered, including playlists. But looking at the PLEX DLNA structure through the B&O App, I don't see any "Playlist" entry point either, so I guess PLEX playlists are internal to PLEX and accessible to PLEX client apps only.