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Hello,
I have a Beosystem 6500 connected via a 1611 adapter to Master Link.
If I connect a ML/MCL converter in other end of the masterlink cable, will two-way communication signals from a BL7000/5000(operated in a MCL room) get routed over master link(and reach the beomaster 6500)?
On the MCL I also have several LC2 and I want to keep using them in a link-light setup.
Unfortunately, It's not possible to run a separate MCL cable to the BM6500.
Thanks for any advice
Best regards
Jonas
Short answer - no!
ML does not support two-way communication.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
jonastr: If I connect a ML/MCL converter in other end of the masterlink cable, will two-way communication signals from a BL7000/5000(operated in a MCL room) get routed over master link(and reach the beomaster 6500)? On the MCL I also have several LC2 and I want to keep using them in a link-light setup.
Should be possible if there are LINK LIGHT compatible products on both (transmitting/receiving) ends.
An ML/MCL converter won`t work this way , because it uses the "new" round IR receiver, which can`t transmit IR commands.
But if you connect an MCL 2A box incl. IR receiver, it should be worth a try....
LC2s connected via MCL to your BS6500 will work anyway.
Years ago I had a BS7000 as main audiosystem connected to an AV9000 (videomaster) and an BV MX4000 MKI (2way) as a link TV connected via a Beolink video. LINK LIGHT commands worked through the whole setup without any problems - even LIGHT timers stored in the Beomaster have been executed - and if I remember correctly, it even worked when I replaced the AV9000 with an BV7-40 (LIGHT/CONTROL forwarding must be activated in the service menu)
BTW if you want to connect additional MCL boxes for LIGHT control, you don`t need the thick MCL cable,
you just need three wires - 5V,datalink, ground (...?)
Hope this helps - Welcome to Beoworld.
Stefan
I just tried configuring this with my system, but two-way didn't work!
I connected my BC9500 in main room to Beolink Converter 1611 with 7-pin Aux, then to ML/MCL converter (actually a 'Passive') with ML cable, then via MCL cable to my kitchen (existing setup) where I have an MCL2A and 2 CX50s.
One-way control worked fine (with the bonus of independent volume control for my link room!) but as soon as I switched the BL5000 to two-way mode it stopped working and I received the 'no-contact' indication. I also tried LINK LIGHT control (from a BL1000 in the kitchen) and that wouldn't work.
EDIT: But couldn't the ML cable to the BC6500 be re-purposed as an MCL cable?
Thanks a lot for your replies, and to Guy for testing this out! The Beoworld forum is a great place :)
Actually, the BM6500 is located in a part of the living room with two shielded cat. 6 outlets.
I now understand that its safest is to run MCL directly from BM6500 using one of the cat. 6 cables (and then patch it over to the existing MCL network)
Unfortunately, I need to use the other cat. 6 cable to connect a speaker at the same location as BM6500,and run it to a Beoaystem 3 In the opposite corner of the room. All the speakers are connected to the Beosystem and not the Beomaster.
The best thing would be to have three cables, and then run the MCL, ML, and PL separate, but its not possible to get more cables through.One cabe short.....
Follow-up question, but in the above example connecting a BM6500 to ML via 1611 unit; does this then feed what ever audio that comes from the BM6500 into the ML?
Millemissen:Short answer - no! ML does not support two-way communication. MM
The AV9000 was the first Beovision with ML and mine had two-way communication.
Even the Beolink 7000 had a mklI for the AV9000 (for example sound 1 to 5 was added)
Carolpa:The AV9000 was the first Beovision with ML and mine had two-way communication.
I don't think that in this case the ML cable would be passing the 2-way info. The AV9000 would be interrogated directly by the 2-way remote, hence the ML connection would not be a factor.
kimhav: Follow-up question, but in the above example connecting a BM6500 to ML via 1611 unit; does this then feed what ever audio that comes from the BM6500 into the ML?
Yes but only if that source is selected from the remote room (the other end of the ML cable). This assumes that there is no other 'audiomaster' in the system.
Guy: Carolpa:The AV9000 was the first Beovision with ML and mine had two-way communication. I don't think that in this case the ML cable would be passing the 2-way info. The AV9000 would be interrogated directly by the 2-way remote, hence the ML connection would not be a factor.
Carolpa:And how about the info from the connected Beosystem 7000?
What A.OPT setting?
Guy:What A.OPT setting?
Carolpa: Guy:What A.OPT setting?0
Interesting. So when controlling the Beomaster via the AV9000, you can actually view things like the CD track, radio preset playing, RDS data (if using BL7000)?
When I ran my ML/MCL test I was of course using MCL2A in the remote room. I think that if I'd connected an MCL2AV instead then the two-way control of the BC9500 may have worked, possibly because a powered MCL2AV can operate 2-way IR as a stand-alone setup (i.e even without MCL/ML connection) - thus performing an equivalent function to your Beomaster. This supports Stefan's earlier statement.
So perhaps if one of jonastr's MCL rooms has an MCL2AV then he will be able to achieve the 2-way control that he requires.
Carolpa: Millemissen:Short answer - no! ML does not support two-way communication. MMSure? The AV9000 was the first Beovision with ML and mine had two-way communication. Even the Beolink 7000 had a mklI for the AV9000 (for example sound 1 to 5 was added)
I can confirm this. two-way- communication works with BS7000 (Beogram, Beocord, Beogram CD connected), AV9000 connected via 1610 converter and BV MX4000 MKI (two-way) connected via Beolink video MKII. LINK LIGHT commands have been executed in the linkroom, even LINK LIGHT timers, stored in the BM7000 worked via MX4000.
The reason why the ML/MCL converter (BL passive) doesn`t work this way might be, that it needs sw 1.6 and the MENU 05 GO ^GO procedure must be executed to activate the LIGHT/CONTROL command forwarding.
You can read more about that here:
http://mlgw.bang-olufsen.dk/
Thanks Stefan - none of my Passives have the SW version annotated, but if I experiment again I'll try the MENU 05 trick anyway.
Guy: Carolpa: Guy:What A.OPT setting?0 Interesting. So when controlling the Beomaster via the AV9000, you can actually view things like the CD track, radio preset playing, RDS data (if using BL7000)?
yes - If I remember correctly, you`ll need a BL7000 sw 3.0 or 3.1 (latest?) for RDS
Guy: Carolpa: Guy:What A.OPT setting?0 When I ran my ML/MCL test I was of course using MCL2A in the remote room. I think that if I'd connected an MCL2AV instead then the two-way control of the BC9500 may have worked, possibly because a powered MCL2AV can operate 2-way IR as a stand-alone setup (i.e even without MCL/ML connection) - thus performing an equivalent function to your Beomaster. This supports Stefan's earlier statement. So perhaps if one of jonastr's MCL rooms has an MCL2AV then he will be able to achieve the 2-way control that he requires.
MCL2A was not the problem, it was your BL passive, I think - see my post above - MCL2A can transmit (LINK) LIGHT commands via its white IR box.
So maybe (?) if you use a BL passive sw1.6 and activate the LIGHT/CONTROL function it works via a connected MCL2A...(?)
stefan:So maybe (?) if you use a BL passive sw1.6 and activate the LIGHT/CONTROL function it works via a connected MCL2A...(?)
I think that I have 4 passives, so perhaps one of them is at SW 1.6
My worry now is trying to find a suitable IR sensor (to setup the Passive) within the eight large cardboard Beoboxes in my cupboard!! Or could I carry out the MENU 05 procedure from my MCL2A link room once the passive is connected in the main room?
Yes, correct. You can listen to all audio sources connected to your BM6500 in all (ML) connected linkrooms, and you can connect your BS6500 to all ML Beovisions in your main room in a 0-2 setup - Beolabs connected to the videomaster.
And you can control all connected audio sources from all connected linkrooms - even supported 3rd party products like oneremote.dk or non supported products controled via Lintronic box.
jonastr: Actually, the BM6500 is located in a part of the living room with two shielded cat. 6 outlets. I now understand that its safest is to run MCL directly from BM6500 using one of the cat. 6 cables (and then patch it over to the existing MCL network)
Yes, it may be the best way to solve your problem. Be aware that four of the seven MCL wires are speaker level wires - and CAT wires are really thin..
So, for data, 5V, ground this will be ok. , but if you want to use it for passive speakers (Beovox), be careful.
Guy: stefan:So maybe (?) if you use a BL passive sw1.6 and activate the LIGHT/CONTROL function it works via a connected MCL2A...(?) I think that I have 4 passives, so perhaps one of them is at SW 1.6 My worry now is trying to find a suitable IR sensor (to setup the Passive) within the eight large cardboard Beoboxes in my cupboard!! Or could I carry out the MENU 05 procedure from my MCL2A link room once the passive is connected in the main room?
I know, that BL passives sw1.6 are very, very rare - the same with BL active sw1.6 - I needed some for my ML/BLGW setup, and I was lucky to collect four of them over the years. But I never had a BL passive seen in myBeolife with such a software .
But if you have the original round IR eye with the DIN plug it should work. I don`t know if an MCL2A will work - in any case you will get a confirmation via the IR (flashing once) as we know it.
YIf you have a Lintronic box you can even see in the Lintronic memory map, if the MCL2A receives a LIGHT command.
Just connect the datalink wire to IR input on your LIntronic box (and ground of courde), connect RS232 to your PC (USB) and any LIGHT commands received by MCL"A will be displayed in the memory map
I just checked the serial number of my Passives, and they all start 19... So according to this thread https://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/p/10708/93152.aspx#93152
... they would have been produced before MLGW compatibility was introduced.
EDIT: I don't have a Lintronic - I meant to get one years ago but never got around to it. Perhaps when I upgrade my BV6-26 for something a bit larger and non-B&O ...
Thanks for the link. I doubt, that a BL passive or -active ever left the factory with such a software. I think, it simply was an upgrade for existing boxes, just by changing the eeprom.
But a BL active with powerlink connected amplifier (powerlink fully wired) should also do the trick. And in deed, I have such a setup in my house :))
It´s a bit complex, but a proof that it works. In the office we have a BC9500 with BL5000 (with orange displays) In addition I have one of my BL actives in the office (L.OPT4, activated for LIGHT/CONTROL). Both products connected to Powerlink switch from oneremote (the only one I know, that can also switch PIN6/7 for display) So selecting CD, BC9500 CD will start, and the BL5000 displays CD , track, volume level (from BC9500) When I select LINK CD, CD (BS9000) from my mainsystem will start, and source track, vol...from my BL active will be displayed. This also works with all other sources in my setup.
selecting LIGHT or CONTROL on my Beo4 in the office will activate different functions of my home automation (light - curtains..) via the BL active.
Follow-up question regarding Beosystem 6500 and MasterLink. In my case I acquired quite recently a complete BS6500 and just to try it out I connected the BS6500 to a 1611 box which I then connected to a BL6500. Works out fine but I was a bit surprised that when pressing CD/PHONE, etc. the BS6500 reacts on this and switch unit including if it's in standby it starts with the source I choose from the BL2000. Didn't expect that since I was under the impression that MLC <1611> ML would be one way only.
Once I've cleaned up the complete BS6500 the idea is to integrate it with the rest of the ML in the house which currently includes BV10, BS9000, Moment and couple of speakers in various room. Would then the assume that BS6500 would act as link device and one way communication then only, right (else I would also get conflict with the BS9000)?