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Hello all!
so happy to find this wealth of information on, what im noticing quickly, is a murky topic regarding BO integration when trying to use non BO products with BO products. Im unbelievably grateful to have come into possession of some BL50s and 18s and i am receiving the wireless transmitter to temporarily solve my issue of pairing the two together for multiroom listening. Eventually the 18s will be rears in a "5.1" setup in my living room with the 50s being the L/R. I have heard "through the grapevine" that a new center channel/processor/WISA transmitter will be coming out soon and im wondering if anyone has heard of this bc currently im a little disappointed that i wont be able to have a functioning surround sound setup as i need to be able to control for the latency in the 50s which is fairly substantial in high latency mode. So far, i have major lipsync issues and ive been told the only way to solve this is buy a BO TV but im not looking to spend sig $$$ on technology that dates itself so quickly. I have an LG GX series from 2020 and from what i hear, BO is going to be releasing essentially the "guts" of its TVs, including a center channel, minus the screen, for just this application.
Does anyone have any info regarding this?
Also, i have sunk some sig $$$ into some SVS SB-16 ultras and so far, doesnt look like they will play well with the BO for now. Im going to get the wireless transmitter/receiver and see if i can get the sub to work but im wondering if anyone has experimented with non BO products and wireless connections to BO speakers i mentioned above. Thanks so much and looking forward to some good discussion!
pastaj: Hello all! so happy to find this wealth of information on, what im noticing quickly, is a murky topic regarding BO integration when trying to use non BO products with BO products. Im unbelievably grateful to have come into possession of some BL50s and 18s and i am receiving the wireless transmitter to temporarily solve my issue of pairing the two together for multiroom listening. Eventually the 18s will be rears in a "5.1" setup in my living room with the 50s being the L/R. I have heard "through the grapevine" that a new center channel/processor/WISA transmitter will be coming out soon and im wondering if anyone has heard of this bc currently im a little disappointed that i wont be able to have a functioning surround sound setup as i need to be able to control for the latency in the 50s which is fairly substantial in high latency mode. So far, i have major lipsync issues and ive been told the only way to solve this is buy a BO TV but im not looking to spend sig $$ on technology that dates itself so quickly. I have an LG GX series from 2020 and from what i hear, BO is going to be releasing essentially the "guts" of its TVs, including a center channel, minus the screen, for just this application. Does anyone have any info regarding this? Also, i have sunk some sig $$ into some SVS SB-16 ultras and so far, doesnt look like they will play well with the BO for now. Im going to get the wireless transmitter/receiver and see if i can get the sub to work but im wondering if anyone has experimented with non BO products and wireless connections to BO speakers i mentioned above. Thanks so much and looking forward to some good discussion!
so happy to find this wealth of information on, what im noticing quickly, is a murky topic regarding BO integration when trying to use non BO products with BO products. Im unbelievably grateful to have come into possession of some BL50s and 18s and i am receiving the wireless transmitter to temporarily solve my issue of pairing the two together for multiroom listening. Eventually the 18s will be rears in a "5.1" setup in my living room with the 50s being the L/R. I have heard "through the grapevine" that a new center channel/processor/WISA transmitter will be coming out soon and im wondering if anyone has heard of this bc currently im a little disappointed that i wont be able to have a functioning surround sound setup as i need to be able to control for the latency in the 50s which is fairly substantial in high latency mode. So far, i have major lipsync issues and ive been told the only way to solve this is buy a BO TV but im not looking to spend sig $$ on technology that dates itself so quickly. I have an LG GX series from 2020 and from what i hear, BO is going to be releasing essentially the "guts" of its TVs, including a center channel, minus the screen, for just this application.
Also, i have sunk some sig $$ into some SVS SB-16 ultras and so far, doesnt look like they will play well with the BO for now. Im going to get the wireless transmitter/receiver and see if i can get the sub to work but im wondering if anyone has experimented with non BO products and wireless connections to BO speakers i mentioned above. Thanks so much and looking forward to some good discussion!
Hi and welcome to the Beoworld forum.
Your first post here.....and you seem to jnow more than most people here ;-)
There is absolutely no info or signs, that this will happen!
However - since you already have the LG GX tv - what you could do, is to contact a B&O dealer and buy the Sound Center part (of an Eclipse, newer version).
This way you will be able to do everything you need (for controlling the BL50’s in a multichannel setup) - and there is also no need for the WiSA Transmitters there.
There definitely are people, who have setups with B&O speakers and non-B&O A/V gear, but I doubt that you will have success especially with the BL50’s in such a setup.
Those who disagree - feel free to give constructive recommendations (maybe a preprocessor like the Altitude 16 from Trinnow Audio could do the job, but that is not cheap).
Furthermore, I hardly believe that you will need the SVS SB-16’s, when you have the BL50’s, unless you are able to do some serious bas management, have a big livingroom and/or are an ultra-heavy-bas-type of listener.
Will be interesting to hear about how you get along with such a setup.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
thanks for the reply!
I just want to be able to use the subs for LFE and keep the 50s managing everything else to take some strain off of them. I know they are capable but so are the SB-16s.
2 months ago i knew none of this! lol. i am just a very inquisitive person and tend to dive in head first to whatever it is that piques my interest. I have read just about everything available from BO and im wondering why the heck they make things so "proprietary" and mysterious. Def seems like the pitfalls of a "smaller" company. They make amazing products and my dad had a pair of them when i was a kid and ive always gravitated towards their stuff bc it is so visually appealing as well as great sounding.
Anyways, yeah, id prefer to wait instead of buying an older unit bc i want to have wisa and hopefully an atmos processor built into the center channel, and i have to keep my secrets but i do have a "guy" that said he spoke to his BO rep here in the states and confirmed that possibly a march/april release date for said product. fingers crossed. in the meantime, the wireless transmitter is on the way and likely will be for sale very cheap in the near future if this center channel comes out.
lastly, does anyone know if the wireless transmitter has controllable settings for each speaker pair linked? can you change the delays and whatnot? does it do it automatically? or will i likely experience a mismatch in audio when the 50s and 18s are linked to the transmitter?
thanks so much!
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HEY! dude you're a legend on youtube, watched all your videos before i bought my 50s :-)
the BO wireless transmitter. the white one. it says it does 2.1 and 7.1, just have to flip a switch on the back of it. I know it doesnt have any internal sound processing (DSP, dolby digital, etc), at least its not mentioned on the website. for now i want to use it to connect my 50s, 18s, and SB-16s for a mega setup.
And to the previous post, i listen to everything from classical to hip-hop. So i like bass when it fits the genre. And nothing beats a good chest thump.
also, just realized there is a reply button. lol im a newb
pastaj: 2 months ago i knew none of this! lol. i am just a very inquisitive person and tend to dive in head first to whatever it is that piques my interest. I have read just about everything available from BO and im wondering why the heck they make things so "proprietary" and mysterious. Def seems like the pitfalls of a "smaller" company. They make amazing products and my dad had a pair of them when i was a kid and ive always gravitated towards their stuff bc it is so visually appealing as well as great sounding.
B&O makes ‘things’ so “proprietary” in order to be sure that ‘things’ work together in the best possible way.
Have you read the Technical Sound Guides?
For the BL50’s here: https://support.bang-olufsen.com/hc/en-us/articles/360042434432-Beolab-50-technical-sound-guide
For the newer BV’s/Siund Center here: https://bangolufsenassistentgohe.blob.core.windows.net/manuals/TELEVISIONS/TECHNICAL_SOUND_GUIDE/technical_sound_guide_televisions_2004.pdf
pastaj: HE the BO wireless transmitter. the white one. it says it does 2.1 and 7.1, just have to flip a switch on the back of it. I know it doesnt have any internal sound processing (DSP, dolby digital, etc), at least its not mentioned on the website. for now i want to use it to connect my 50s, 18s, and SB-16s for a mega setup.
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The Transmitter 1 is nothing but a wireless (PL) cable for each speaker - you will have to feed it with the decoded multichannel signals (L, R, C and so on) from an audio processor (which is where ‘things’ happen).
https://bangolufsenassistentgohe.blob.core.windows.net/manuals/APPS_AND_ACCESSORIES/BEOLAB_TRANSMITTER_1/3511267_1310_UG_BeoLab_Transmitter_1_v1_3_Web.pdf
Note: almost any new BV/Sound Center has this function build in for up to 8 channels.
The much speculated about "centre speaker / audio processing hub / guts" is now pretty unlikely in my opinion.
I'm pretty sure it was under consideration a while back, especially when it seemed B&O would stop releasing new TVs (with the audio engine built in).
It seems though that since they have continued to release new TV products, that such an independent product is unlikely.
They seem to have settled on a simple soundbar (Stage) for those who want a simple solution, and carried on releasing TVs for those who want an expandable solution.
While a couple of people on the forum have bought an Eclipse sound centre and used it with an existing LG (with a bit of DIY in the middle). I dont believe it fully replicates an Eclipse and its functionality, but in some circumstances I guess will just about suffice.
So yes, its a bit frustrating that there isnt a simple way to clip on an existing LG to a sound centre, or that there isnt a Stage+ sound bar which can integrate into a surround setup, in the end I dont believe that anything is coming. I'd take most dealer talk with a big pinch of salt - as I said, when they were probably correct that the company was considering it a while back, product releases and development since then would suggest that such an idea is on the back burner at best.
As for your current speakers, trust me 50s and 18s will blow you away, without any need for the SVS. Any B&O sound engine will likely perform better with the 50s / 18s attached, compared to the same with the SVS added into the mix.
Thanks for the reply! Yeah I’m just experimenting with the setup. I’d like to keep the 50s in high latency mode as they def sound better. I can’t adjust the delay in the tv enough, especially since it’s passing sound via Bluetooth to my core currently. So there is major lag there. I like the idea of ordering just the sound center from an eclipse and I spoke to my dealer and he said we can do that since I have an LG GX. So I’m going to ditch the wireless transmitter and wait for the sound center to come and then I shouldn’t have issues with the latencies as they are all BO speakers (50s and 18s). I’ll let you all know how it goes! Thanks so much for all the constructive feedback
Hi all! Sorry for the delay but I just ended up buying the harmony sound center and will mount my GX to that. Not the cheapest solution but definitely the best one! Can’t wait :-)
I have a technical question if anyone has any spare time and input. And sorry for sounding daft, but I’m not an expert on audio setups but is there a maximum distance, in a critical listening setup, between the left and right channels before you start losing sound quality? Maybe a better term is resolution? I’ve been playing with distance between the 50s and definitely the wider I go, the bigger the soundstage sounds and individual elements become much more distinct in terms of their position in space. Maybe I’m crazy, but as I go wider I feel the stage gets bigger but the clarity drops. Notably in vocals. It sounds less sharp I guess. Still loud and big but just fuzzier. Is this a thing? Seems to be a minimum and maximum distance in terms of sweet spot. Thanks for your time!
pastaj:the clarity drops. Notably in vocals.
By the way, one reason to use a separate subwoofer even though you have BL50s, is that the optimal position of the 50s for imaging might not be optimal for getting the most even bass (i.e. eliminating the room modes). So substituting a properly-positioned subwoofer below some frequency, which is still above the annoying room-mode frequency you (*might*!) get from the "arbitrary" position of the 50s bass drivers, could fix some trouble, if such is audible.
Thank you!
but I guess what I’m asking is how does one determine the optimal size of that triangle? The 50s
must have a sweet spot, no?
pastaj: Thank you! but I guess what I’m asking is how does one determine the optimal size of that triangle? The 50s must have a sweet spot, no?
Since we are talking an equilateral triangle, it should be fairly easy to calculate, where you’d have to sit.
The sweetspot of two BL50’s can be pretty narrow or wider depending on how they are setup/configured - meaning if very narrow, you’d have to sit (and stay) right in the spot to get the optimum of ‘sweetspotting’.
However, it is possible to set up the BL50’s so that the sweetspot is not in the calculated place - this is one of the great features of these speakers.
thanks!! im waiting on the mic to show up so i can do that. Also, i was hoping you (mikipedia) could help with some advice on speaker group setup and speaker role assignments. I have the harmony now as well as the 50s and 18s and im trying to figure out how to assign them all to get the best sound. The three separate speakers (L,C,R) within the harmony are throwing me off. What do you have them set to? i thought i read a post saying you had them set to left front height, center, right front height. Is this the optimal setup? i hate to just shut them off. also, do you keep the 50s connected to each other with the powerlink cable at all times? i originally had them running off the Core until the Harmony arrived and now that im using them via WISA, i disconnected all cables from them except the mains and now i cannot use the configuration tool via the BO app on my iphone. LASTLY (lol, sorry for so many questions), can you adjust the speaker positioning on the harmony? when mine opens fully, the speakers end up toeing inwards and look crooked. I figured they would open up as a flat surface, parallel to the TV, but they are crooked, with the ends of them bowing outwards towards the viewer as if you were toeing them in as you would your front speakers. Thanks so much for any info. I am so pleased to have this amazing gear and cant wait to get it running properly!
HEYYYYYY, thats the adjustment i was looking for!! i found the others but didnt see the one within the panel that stores all the cables. you guys are awesome. such a great forum! lemme check when i get home and ill update. then on to connecting the speakers!
this is going to sound silly, but, what type of cables are used to run the 50s to the harmony? i have all these cat6 cables that i bought but i remember when i was connecting the core, even though the RJ45 connector is the same on the powerlink cable and the cat 6, i was unable to get any sound to the 50s when i used a cat6 from the core to the 50s. but when i swapped to the thin little powerlink cable, same connector but obviously different internals, it worked. so do i need powerlink cables to run 50s to harmony or use these cat 6 cables i bought? thanks!!
sooooo, having problems hooking up the 50s to the harmony. when i connect to TV with powerlink or cat7 from PL1 it gives me PL1 left and right. the problem is that when im in the speaker connection menu only the PL1 left has sound coming out of it but its coming from the main speaker, which is on the right. i cannot get sound to come out of the left speaker. not sure what is going on and why this has to be so confusing. anywho, can someone please tell me how to connect the 50s to the harmony? currently i have a cat 7 running from PL1 to the PL port on the master. Then i have a cat 7 interconect to the slave via the DPL ports. i also have a cat7 into the ethernet port on the master to my router. any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks!!
You cables are right, check connections if they are secure and plugged in all the way, no weird bend and all. Since you had them in WiSa mode before, check in the menu of the 50's that they are now set to wired mode. (it shouldn't matter but are both cat 7 sides in the same dpl port?) Also make sure that you both set them as beolab 50's in the tv.
Do they both come on after all this if you turn the tv on? are both power cables connected properly? You can also try a power cycle, I do this by unplugging the slave first then the master, wait a few mins and then plug in the master again and then the slave.
Good luck!
Thanks! Yes they both motor up and come on. I’ll check if the interconnect is in the same DPL port. But just so we are clear, you DO NOT connect the slave speaker to PL2? I did originally thinking each speaker goes to its own port.
so, PL1 to master PL port via cat7. Then cat7 from master dpl to slave dpl. Then, within the TV, the 50s will be assigned PL1 left and right. Correct?
yes, every PL port carries both left and right channels! so two cables, one from Hamorny (whichever) PL port to master PL in then dpl port to dpl port and that is it.
Update: it works! The power cycle seemed to fix it. Ive noticed that with all the trick electronic wizardry, sometimes things dont all work in unison. anywho, slowly getting it all set up with speaker groups and whatnot. I did notice that im having lip sync issues though. Specifically amazon prime video i notice lipsync issues that are very hard to get dialed in. seems like ill get it and then later on in the video they will be off again. I hardwired the harmony to my router so no wifi. Also, the 50s are in auto mode. There was an echo originally and i noticed they were set to high latency only. that was an easy fix. I did end up watching a movie rented from vudu and that was spot on, no lipsync issues.
another sound issue ive noticed is that some material, on netflix and amazon prime, sounds really "glitch-y", thats the only way i can describe it. and i noticed it seems to be when you have the LG panel set to "pass through" for the eARC. When changed to auto it sounds much better and less drop outs but then this seems to make the lip sync worse. I would love to hear anyones experience with lip sync issues. thanks!! btw, harmony, panel, and 50s are all up to date on software. thanks!!
last update: receiver1 works perfectly with the SVS subwoofers and the bass management options seem to offer solutions for a seamless integration. For when i really want to test my neighbor's patience :-)