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CES2013 , its now for sure that LG will bring out the new OLED TV , for the same price(6000-7000 EUros) as the BV11. low power, better contrast, thinner .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Sfk4-jP34k
It's amazingly thin that's for sure. At some point TV's will become like wall paper. Very cool now, but once it's the norm, it's just that, the norm.
Nothing to design anymore.
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And what will the sound be like? I prefer my BV5 over a BV10 mainly because the sound is so much better. Make the speakers paper thin and they will sound even worse or you will need boxes next to the thin set which rather makes the thinness pointless.
Peter
Peter: And what will the sound be like? I prefer my BV5 over a BV10 mainly because the sound is so much better. Make the speakers paper thin and they will sound even worse or you will need boxes next to the thin set which rather makes the thinness pointless.
Peter, I regret getting the BV10, and trading my BV5! And I did it only because I got "pushed" by Full-HD marketing... No point, I should have saved the BV5, and put the 5k euro difference on something more meaningful.
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.
Totally agree with you Chris, just like hi-fi is no longer part of the furniture, the same will happen for TVs and I say thank goodness! Speaker wise it isn't a problem hence the huge success of sound bar speakers and of course home cinema systems for the past 15 years. Certainly the new OLED is going to make the BV7-55 and the BV4-85 the fat kid over night! I raise my glass to this new technology!
Paul W:Speaker wise it isn't a problem hence the huge success of sound bar speakers and of course home cinema systems for the past 15 years.
But it is a problem! Most surround speakers are rubbish ! You need a decent centre speaker and also surrounds. These need to have volume and are therefore incongruous with paper thin screens. I do like the idea of paper thin screens but don't know how they will work well with speaker technology. I suppose in wall could work but this is a fair undertaking in an older house like mine with stone walls!
Many people don't want a surround setup, I for one have no use for it.
Most of the comments about how speakers would fit in assume that the manufacturers' approach to speakers won't change ... but current speakers try to reproduce the air movement (sound waves) that originated at the source by sympathetically vibrating a remote surface;
maybe one day speaker technology will be transformed as opposed to being enhanced (i.e. the fundamental principle of today's speakers, the vibrating diaphragm, has not changed since Thomas Edison / Alexander Graham Bell.
But what do I know .... I am no physicist !
BeoNut since '75
I may bring in another point: The connections and connectivity required to attach e. g. a third party unit. If you watch the video closely, it shows that the TV is very thin, but it has a socket. In which probably might be built in the HDMI, power supply and others. Also a WLAN/LAN connectivity needs to be built in somewhere. So this might bring opportunities for design and speaker relations, because as of today you need always a connector panel which requires more space then 4 mm depth. That might change, but foreseeable not in the near or middle future.
As for speakers: You could think of a new era of the electro static speakers (I hope this is the correct english term?). See an example what I mean here. They are e. g. also available from Loewe or speaker specialists for this kind of speakers. And, as far as I´m aware of, they are active speakers.
However, the OLED seems to have a fantatstic picture. And size will not matter with this technology in terms of weight and material. Three or four years ago they presented at the CeBit exhibition at Hannover, Germany, a foil that could be sprayed upon a lot of surfaces and was capable of reproducing a TV picture.
Same, by the way, for speakers: Wiring my house with Master Link, my dealer offered me what I call "foil speakers". They should fit underneath the wallpaper, reproducing music not with the loudness and depth of the usual speakers but fairly loud and good enough to use them e. g. in the aisle or gallery.
Kind regards,
Rolf
Rolf, yes electrostatic speakers could work, but the problem with them is perhaps the lack of evolution, just as with normal speakers...
They need to be huge, not deep, but a very big "foil" area to produce sound. They cannot produce low frequencies.
But on the other hand, yes a wall paper like TV would be very cool! And I can live with less audio quality. If one could wall-paper a 85" or more TV to the bedroom wall!
Just imagine the wall preparation you would need to get a flat surface for an 85" paper thin screen!
On the other hand, a rigid 85" screen will always need a fair thickness so that it will be structurally adequate for handling etc.
I think we will get paper like screens but they will be used more for instantly changeable wall paper patterns or murals rather than as television screens. They may become new ways of room lighting.
Graham