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Penta 3 Amp help needed - question inside

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jehoward32
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jehoward32 Posted: Sun, Nov 7 2021 12:42 PM

Hello, hoping to get some advice/help on diagnosing a penta 3 amplifier issue. Model number 6633. I bought a used pair of towers. When I received them, one was fully functional, the other was tripping circuit protection and not playing music at all. I refoamed all the mid ranges. Then I rebuilt the crossovers and amplifiers with the kits from beo parts. The original good tower is now great. The original bad tower will play now but it only plays at a very low volume compared to the good tower. After the rebuild, I set the potentiometers in both amps in the same manner, following the instructions that came with the rebuild kit. I’ve tested both towers with my one good amp to confirm there is no issue in the crossovers or drivers. Both towers function well when connected to the good amp. However, I've now noticed the bad amp will still slowly shift into protection (orange light) when no input signal is present. So I took both amps off the towers for some bench testing.

I used some deoxit it contact cleaner to spray out the front panel switches on the bad amp. Then I started systematically checking transistors, resistors, and double checking all the solder connections from the re-cap. I’ve traced the input signal path from the RCA connector all the way to the IC. I can’t find a single measurement that doesn’t match when checked against my good amp. I did not take any of the transistors off the board, I only checked them as installed. When I supply power to the bad amp and switch it to auto mode with no input signal supplied, it will turn to green. Then within a minute, the light will slowly fade to orange, flash back to green, fade back to orange, flash to green one more time and then fade to orange. I monitored the speaker output wires when this is happening, On initial turn on I have 0 VDC on the output wires, when the system fades to orange I am seeing something like .1 VDC on the speaker output which fades away quickly. 
Given this behavior, is it possible a transistor could be slightly damaged but not so much as to provide different readings from what I can measure on the good amp? Has anyone seen the behavior above before? If so is there a specific area of the circuit I should focus on?
Additional info:
I checked for DC voltage at pin 4 and pin 8 on IC3 and found 30VDC
I checked for DC voltage at PS-4 and PS-1 and found 138 VDC
Additionaly found 138 VDC checking at collector of TR27 and collector of TR32 
I’ve got many hours invested in trying to save these wonderful speakers but I am running out of ideas and patience quickly. Please help me save them!

 

david656
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Hey,

Sounds like you've done some brilliant troubleshooting. I haven't specifically seen such an issue. But in my YouTube video I do show about replacing the transistors and some tests you can do on the transistors - this might help?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psY_RV1NjHM 

Good luck!

Bristol based B&O fan with a collection including the following: BC9500, Beogram 9500, Beosystem 3, BeoVision Avant DVD 32, AV9000, Beolab 3500, Beolab 3000s, Beolab 4s, Beolab 6000s, Beovox Pentas, Beovox 3000s.

jehoward32
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Hi david656,

I watched your video (particularly the section on transistor testing). Today I removed TR30, 31, and 32 from the circuit board and tested them per your guide. They all appear to be working correctly. The only thing I noted is that I got voltages closer to .4 VDC vs the .5 VDC you listed. While doing this work I noticed I could wiggle TR23, suggesting loose or broken solder joints. Indeed it looked like the connections for TR23 were loose for pins B and C. I reflowed these joints and reinstalled TR30/31/32 on a hunch that TR23 may have been the issue all along. Put everything back together, set the potentiometers, fired it up and its still preforming exactly like it was before. 

Is it worth popping out TR 25/26/27 and checking them off the circuit board as well?

Thank you.

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jehoward32 replied on Thu, Dec 30 2021 11:35 PM

Closing out this topic. The main stage was totally fine. A bad transistor on the input board was pulling the input signal to ground at the quad bilateral switch on the main amplifier board. I had to use a function generator and oscilloscope to trace the input signal through and find the problem. I think the issue was the transistor responsible for the “mute circuit”.

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