ARCHIVED FORUM -- March 2012 to February 2022READ ONLY FORUM
This is the second Archived Forum which was active between 1st March 2012 and 23rd February 2022
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Present: BL90, Core, BL6000, CD7000, Beogram 7000, Essence Remote.
Past: BL1, BL2, BL8000, BS9000, BL5, BC2, BS5, BV5, BV4-50, Beosystem 3, BL3, DVD1, Beoremote 4, Moment.
Sandyb:unless you really like it when it works
seethroughyou:B&O have released an earthing kit for this terrible product:
So for 6 years now it works without earthing kit. But the tablet is not used a lot anymore as the Moment is nowadays mostly used in a Core-like way.
Carolpa:B&o should do one thing: make the basic settings available (http) so the unit can still be setup (and used) if the tablet fails definitely. Note: this is the official mains of a Moment. I never used the cable because my Moment is always been LAN connected. So for 6 years now it works without earthing kit. But the tablet is not used a lot anymore as the Moment is nowadays mostly used in a Core-like way.
seethroughyou:So if it’s connected to your network with a LAN cable, then an earthing is present and no earthing kit is required?
So have I been lucky or has the "LAN earthing" in my case been sufficient that's the question. I do not have sufficient info and knowledge about the complete unit to answer this question though.
maybe others can shed some light on the issue.
By the way, you have done a manually reset of the tablet already?
Bought the moment the day it was made available in Greece, I think 4 maybe 5 years ago. Since then the screen has died on me twice. Don't think that is an issue with grounding. My humble opinion is that it is badly designed. I agree with Carolpa (as usual) that Bang&Olufsen must consider very seriously to "open" the software not just for making it possible to use the moment tabletless but maybe to be able to run the Bang&Olufsen app or even better the Beoliving app but this is a totally different discussion.
I actually love the BS moment. I have 2 devices. I have a BS moment in Mallorca. I took the tablet off and put it in the closet. When I came back after 1 year the screen stayed dark. I had the battery changed and I was told that it was the mainboard. It was sent to Denmark and repaired (approx. € 700.00) with a battery change. Now it's still in the workshop in Palma. I'll pick it up the next time I visit.
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Iceman10245:I actually love the BS moment. I have 2 devices. I have a BS moment in Mallorca. I took the tablet off and put it in the closet. When I came back after 1 year the screen stayed dark. I had the battery changed and I was told that it was the mainboard. It was sent to Denmark and repaired (approx. € 700.00) with a battery change. Now it's still in the workshop in Palma. I'll pick it up the next time I visit. BeoVision 7-40 HD-Modul, BeoViision 11-40, BeoVision 8 32" white + Floor Stand, 2x Apple TV 4 mit Kodi, DVD2, HDR2, BeoSound 9000 MKIII White Edition, 2x BeoSound Moment + Floor Stand, 2x BeoSound Stage, Beosound Core, BeoSound 1 MKII + Floor Stand, 2x BeoSound 3, BeoSound 6, BeoSound 3200, BeoSound Essence , BeoPlay A9 Nordic Sky twilight, BeoPlay A8 MKII white + Floor Stand, BeoPlay A2 grey, 2x BeoPlay A3 white/bright blue, BeoPlay A1, 2x BeoPlay S3 white, Beolit 12 (White Edition), Beogram TX2, BeoLab 5, BeoLab 3, BeoLab 7-4, BeoLab 8000 MKII, Beolab 11, 2x BeoLab 3500, 4x LC2, 4x Beo4 - MK1-3, BeoRemonte One BT, BeoRemonte Halo, Audio Terminal, Beolink 1000, BeoLink 7000, 2x Beo6, 2x EarSet A8, 3x A9 Keyring, EarSet 2, Form2, BeoPlay H6, 3x BeoTime, Beowatch, 2x Lightmanager Pro+ B&o Version, 4x BeoCom5, Beoline2, 3x Speakerphone, BeoTalk 1200, 5x Cabinets , MLGW, BLGW,
it is exactly like that. It was in the closet, without electricity. Well, we sometimes have very high humidity on Mallorca. But I have a different assumption. I believe mistakes were made when changing the battery. Of course I can't prove that. Why was the system sent to Denmark and repaired there ?! I suspect the workshop was overwhelmed with the device on Mallorca.
Im not an electronics expert - so just an entertaining opinion.
I assume this will be a low voltage product and therefore I doubt it is an earthing problem?
I suspect that this is a relatively cheap generic tablet wrapped-up in a cool B&O shell to make the product cost-effective? I think you are seeing a simple MTBF issue which you are on the perceived low-end of that failure rate.
Look at it another way. I believe I see that the MTBF on all my families iPad minis (Mk3 or 4 - not on 5 yet) of 2.5 to 3.5 years. This is not a niche product with multitudes of units sold compared to B&O's tablets. It does not make it necessarily better despite higher critique and units sold.
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This is probably an accurate analysis and a seismic shift from B&O of old. Look at the internals of Beograd CD7000. Build quality, PCBs, mechanism, discrete quality components, still is use 30+ years with a little care. Puts you right off their newer stuff.
seethroughyou: This is probably an accurate analysis and a seismic shift from B&O of old. Look at the internals of Beograd CD7000. Build quality, PCBs, mechanism, discrete quality components, still is use 30+ years with a little care. Puts you right off their newer stuff.
From what I hear, old B&O stuff used to fail very regularly. I think the difference is that it could be easily and cost-effectively repaired as it was a custom electronics PCB with age-old components (wheels, springs, levers, capacitors, switches etc....), all cleverly put together to look futuristic, slimline and modern.
Unfortunately, modern digital circuits (boards) are now generic and manufactured in batches before being superseded in designed-in obsolescence. They are never the same from one model to the next and can rarely be retrofitted. once the manufacturing run is done....that is it. EOL unless you have a very cleaver person who knows how to jimmy a digital PCB to make it work longer.
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What should give you an icy chill down your spine will be the day you and I have to have those two fat ladies looked at. I hope and pray that is in 50 years time when Im dead or at best deaf.
Imagine if that little unsurprising circuit board atop of those speakers which controls the whizzy LED lights for volume fail and it takes down the whole system?
Would that not be fun at all?
I had the same issue with flickering screen, managed to get it starting again by draining the battery completely and the charging it again. You could also shut it down manually by inserting a pin in the hole, hole is up to the right next to the base connector if you have the screen facing up. Insert at pin for about 3 seconds and the device turns off. However mine is still in need of a forced firmware update, which needs to be carried out by a service technician and those are harder to find where I live - hate sending it away.