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I've read much of the information about the BeoLink Converter on this site, and I think I am getting closer to understanding it. However, there's one open question:
If I understand correctly, the BLC can be configured as an audio master or video master. A ML network can only have one of these. How does it work if you already have a video master (BV8) and audio master (BS9000)? Do you have to "demote" one to add the BLC? For example, if I want to listen to my TV through an Essence + BLC, does this mean the BLC must be the a.master which means my BS9000 must work as a "slave" (and it's audio will no longer be accessible in my ML link rooms?)?
Thanks in advance,
Stan
BeoNut since '75
These are the ML roles the BLC can have:
Livingroom: BL3, BL11, BV11-46 Kitchen: Beosound 1 GVA, Beocom 2 Bathroom: M3 Homeoffice: M3, Beocom 2 Library: Beosound Emerge, Beocom 6000 Bedroom: M5, Essence remote Travel: Beoplay E8 2.0, Beoplay EQ, Beoplay Earset
Hiort:These are the ML roles the BLC can have:A Master AV Master V Master A Slave Source Center
I have a question, too:As the Beolink Converter can act as a Video master (TV): Would it be possible to attach a non B&O TV to the line-in of the BLC and a Beolab to the powerlink connector? I want to switch on the TV sound of the non B&O TV with the "TV" command of the Beo 4 and activate only the attached Beolab on the Beolink converter. Will that work?
TWG:I have a question, too: As the Beolink Converter can act as a Video master (TV): Would it be possible to attach a non B&O TV to the line-in of the BLC and a Beolab to the powerlink connector? I want to switch on the TV sound of the non B&O TV with the "TV" command of the Beo 4 and activate only the attached Beolab on the Beolink converter. Will that work?
mjmedlo: TWG: I have a question, too: As the Beolink Converter can act as a Video master (TV): Would it be possible to attach a non B&O TV to the line-in of the BLC and a Beolab to the powerlink connector? I want to switch on the TV sound of the non B&O TV with the "TV" command of the Beo 4 and activate only the attached Beolab on the Beolink converter. Will that work? I think you'd want an essence for that. I don't think the BLC will accomplish that. When you press tv it will be looking for tv on the network.
TWG: I have a question, too: As the Beolink Converter can act as a Video master (TV): Would it be possible to attach a non B&O TV to the line-in of the BLC and a Beolab to the powerlink connector? I want to switch on the TV sound of the non B&O TV with the "TV" command of the Beo 4 and activate only the attached Beolab on the Beolink converter. Will that work?
I have a question, too: As the Beolink Converter can act as a Video master (TV): Would it be possible to attach a non B&O TV to the line-in of the BLC and a Beolab to the powerlink connector? I want to switch on the TV sound of the non B&O TV with the "TV" command of the Beo 4 and activate only the attached Beolab on the Beolink converter. Will that work?
I think you'd want an essence for that.
I don't think the BLC will accomplish that.
When you press tv it will be looking for tv on the network.
Actually, you can change the IR mappings so there's no reason why you couldn't map 'TV' to the line-in on the NL/ML converter, but you may end up with lip-sync issues as it is probable that the converter adds a delay between the line-in and the powerlink out in order to keep the audio in sync with other NL devices.
Martin.
Does anyone know "source center" actually means? I've not heard this term with respect to ML
Mr Elephant - is your beovision ML or NL?
Thanks again,
Stan:Does anyone know "source center" actually means? I've not heard this term with respect to ML
Yes, on the masterlink side, it's the equivalent of a Beolink PC2 or a BM5 set to AUDIO_MASTER = No, so can respond to / provide N.MUSIC and N.RADIO.
Kind Regards,
Thanks for the information Martin.
So, if I were to integrate my ML with an Essence, I'd have the following choices and their compromise:
I can set the BLC to
1) "A.Master", and turn my BS9000 into a "link" room - so no radio or CDs on the ML
2) "V.Master", and turn my BV8 into a "link" room - so no TV audio source on the ML
3) "AV.Master", both BS9000/BV8 become link room
4) "Source Center", and lose my BS5.
I guess the only "no compromise" solution is to replace the BV8 with a NL TV, and set the BLC to "V.Master". This was not the answer I was hoping for ( :( ), but at least I can understand the reasoning behind it - they can't exactly re-write ML.
One other thought - would it work to replace the BS5 with a Moment (and replace MOTS with Mood Wheel), and set the BLC to "Source Center"? N.Music/N.Radio from the ML side would map to the Moment? Not sure if I like any of these choices - I know my bank account doesn't.
Stan: One other thought - would it work to replace the BS5 with a Moment (and replace MOTS with Mood Wheel), and set the BLC to "Source Center"? N.Music/N.Radio from the ML side would map to the Moment? Not sure if I like any of these choices - I know my bank account doesn't.
Yes, your understanding (in this and your previous post) is correct.
The mapping in each direction (NL to ML, and ML to NL) is separate, so for example if the NM/ML converter is set to source centre, you can introduce two NL sources into you ML environment (mapped to N.MUSIC and N.RADIO), and access all ML sources except N.MUSIC and N.RADIO from any NL devices.
Two other possibilities:
1) Set the converter as audio slave, you'll have full access to your existing ML sources from any NL device but be unable to introduce new NL sources into your existing masterlink rooms.
2) Split your masterlink network into two or three parts, and add a NL/ML converter to each. For example, you could have one ML network with BS9000, BS5, and an NL/ML converter configured as video master, and another ML network with the BV, existing link rooms, and an NL/ML converter configured as audio master . This gives you a little more flexibility to map NL sources into your ML networks as you see fit.
An ML source on one converter could then map to an NL source from the other, which in turn is actually an ML source on the other half of the network, so you end up bridging the two ML networks but exclude any sources that aren't needed (which in turn can be mapped to sources on any new NL devices you add).
If you go down this route, you may have issues with echo, so keep your link rooms on the same ML segment as the ML main room sources you listen to most often in those rooms.
It's a little hard to explain a lot of this stuff so I hope it makes sense!
Stan:Does anyone know "source center" actually means? I've not heard this term with respect to ML Mr Elephant - is your beovision ML or NL? Thanks again, Stan
riverstyx: The mapping in each direction (NL to ML, and ML to NL) is separate, so for example if the NM/ML converter is set to source centre, you can introduce two NL sources into you ML environment (mapped to N.MUSIC and N.RADIO), and access all ML sources except N.MUSIC and N.RADIO from any NL devices.
From the NL side, the main ML source I want is TV (and the TV sound need not be perfectly synced with the picture). Radio and CD are "nice to have" so access to everything but N.Music and N.Radio is fine (I can also access my BS5 library from DLNA), and I get Spotify with the Essence.
From the ML side, I assume everything works exactly like it does today. I can't add two NL sources to ML as N.Music or N.Radio because these are already mapped within ML to my BS5, no? If I could get Spotify from NL into my ML (so I can control Spotify via Spotify app), then I think I would be set.
As a bonus, if I connected my turntable to the BLC AUX input, would this allow my to distribute this sound to both ML and NL? Right now, I have my TT in a link room running through the PC input of an Active so it works in the room, but not in the house.
Thanks for your help,
Stan: riverstyx: The mapping in each direction (NL to ML, and ML to NL) is separate, so for example if the NM/ML converter is set to source centre, you can introduce two NL sources into you ML environment (mapped to N.MUSIC and N.RADIO), and access all ML sources except N.MUSIC and N.RADIO from any NL devices. From the NL side, the main ML source I want is TV (and the TV sound need not be perfectly synced with the picture). Radio and CD are "nice to have" so access to everything but N.Music and N.Radio is fine (I can also access my BS5 library from DLNA), and I get Spotify with the Essence.
Whilst keeping the ML BV (Video Master), BS9000 (Audio Master) and BS5 (Source Centre), the only role available for the NL/ML converter would be Audio Slave (equivalent of a link room product). So it has access to all the ML sources (so these can all be accessed on other NL devices too) but is unable to introduce any of the NL sources (or indeed it's own Line-In source) into the ML network.
Stan:If I could get Spotify from NL into my ML (so I can control Spotify via Spotify app), then I think I would be set.
Do you have anything connected to the Aux input of the BS9000? Adding a chromecast audio here would give you spotify connect, accessible both from within the entire ML network, and (via the NL/ML converter) within the NL network.
Stan:As a bonus, if I connected my turntable to the BLC AUX input, would this allow my to distribute this sound to both ML and NL? Right now, I have my TT in a link room running through the PC input of an Active so it works in the room, but not in the house.
Again, because the masterlink network is already fully populated with the three types of devices that are allowed to provide sources, you can't introduce any more so connecting anything to the line-in of the NL/ML converter will make that source available to any NL devices, but not to any ML devices.
This is very helpful, Martin. This is all makes sense. Thank you very much.
Did somebody try out if there is actually a sound delay when using the line-in source of the BLC with Beolabs attached or is this just guessing?
Yes, there is a delay, and I found no way to turn it off.
Thank you for your answer! Sad, that there's no deal configuration.
mjmedlo:No line in delay cancel that I could find. The essence of course has this
The essence of course has this
TWG:Thanks. but with the Essence I have no key-mapping and can't choose "TV" to start it up. :-(