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Is there any sign of Spotify support for the Beo 5/6 especially the Beo 6. Album Covers + Track name, ability assign to favourites/starred etc?
Hey
Please write B&O support and ask. This will put some pressure on them!
//Erik
I have just done that.
Please report back about this- would be great!!
Peter
Beovision eclipse 65, Beolab 50, Beolab 18, Beovision 11, Beolab 3, Beolab 2, BeoVision 10, MLGW, BeoLink converter Nl/Ml, Beosound 5, BLGW
There is no support planned, sorry.
If that is the case then they are undervaluing their own products. If they can already do this with the BS5/BM5 content, I cannot see it being a huge jump to add spotify support, in fact it is this kind of development that would underpin their product offering. This is a software issue, no hardware required other than that which they already have.
Are they planning a new controller with this ability?
It also requires a bit of different hardware that can run that kind of software that is required. Also Spotify has to play along to allow this functionality.
What extra hardware is required? Surely the BM5 is doing this already to deliver the album covers to the BS5 & Beo6 in n.music mode, and the cover to the BS5 in Spotify mode. Yes, I can understand there may be something being witheld by Spotify that prevents this, although I cannot think of a good reason for this.
Well, I know that specifically in the case of transmitting Spotify covers special agreements would have to be made with the copyright-holders of each label.
Spotify covers are already sent to BS5, BV11, V1 - should be no problem, regarding copyright, with Beo6...or do I miss something?
There is an ipad app called remoteless, that works as a Spotify remote installed on a PC. Maybe this will also with BM5?
Or maybe via Beolink app?
Stefan
stefan:Spotify covers are already sent to BS5, BV11, V1 - should be no problem, regarding copyright, with Beo6...or do I miss something?
Not knowing anything about the actual problems or agreements... BV11 and V1 are the Spotify players, they are not transmitting anything anywhere when they show the artwork. Similarly with BS5 which cannot be used alone, you can consider it just a wired display for the actual player (because that's what it is) and not much different from the display screen of a desktop computer running a Spotify application.
--mika
Surely the hand held sonos controller is not transmitting anything, it merely selects the music that the sonos box will stream, is this not analogous to the Beo6 controller?
tournedos: stefan:Spotify covers are already sent to BS5, BV11, V1 - should be no problem, regarding copyright, with Beo6...or do I miss something? Not knowing anything about the actual problems or agreements... BV11 and V1 are the Spotify players, they are not transmitting anything anywhere when they show the artwork. Similarly with BS5 which cannot be used alone, you can consider it just a wired display for the actual player (because that's what it is) and not much different from the display screen of a desktop computer running a Spotify application.
Right. But Beo6 will transmit same artwork for N.MUSIC, for the stoted music on HD, so should be possible for Spotify.
Beolink app also display cover from N.MUSIC....
stefan:Right. But Beo6 will transmit same artwork for N.MUSIC, for the stoted music on HD, so should be possible for Spotify.
That is irrelevant (to my point, which may be totally beside the point already, but anyway...). N.MUSIC artwork comes from the user's library on the HD. Spotify's artwork comes from Spotify while you play. We (or at least me) are not discussing a technical problem here, but what is allowed by Spotify and what is not.
tournedos: stefan:Right. But Beo6 will transmit same artwork for N.MUSIC, for the stoted music on HD, so should be possible for Spotify. That is irrelevant (to my point, which may be totally beside the point already, but anyway...). N.MUSIC artwork comes from the user's library on the HD. Spotify's artwork comes from Spotify while you play. We (or at least me) are not discussing a technical problem here, but what is allowed by Spotify and what is not.
Exactly.
So is the problem actually a Spotify licensing issue or lack of software development by B&O?
All this fuss over some tiny little coverpics on a minature display.
I would go for a 'BeoPad' instead.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Mmm...
What is a "BeoPad"?
Don't know - but it would be nice anyway
Just kidding - what I meant was a mobile device with a bigger screen/display to select/control the media (local or from a music service) to be played through B&O speakers....and to show the coverpics as well.
Not existing, but maybe someday.....
PapaJustify: tournedos: stefan:Right. But Beo6 will transmit same artwork for N.MUSIC, for the stoted music on HD, so should be possible for Spotify. That is irrelevant (to my point, which may be totally beside the point already, but anyway...). N.MUSIC artwork comes from the user's library on the HD. Spotify's artwork comes from Spotify while you play. We (or at least me) are not discussing a technical problem here, but what is allowed by Spotify and what is not. Exactly.
Not exactly. I had hoped that you could explain your post a bit further:
"Well, I know that specifically in the case of transmitting Spotify covers special agreements would have to be made with the copyright-holders of each label."
Obviously you can`t.
Usually Beo would make an agreement with Spotify. Spotify has agreements with music labels, artists, etc.
So, if Beo made agreements with Spotify that exclude coverart sent by Beoremotes, this was a big mistake.
I can`t believe that. You, as a dealer, should know that....
So, please explain, what "exactly" is the problem?
I use SONOS at home.
Using the sonos ipad app, choosing spotify, you see all the artworks / covers...
Ralf
Living Room: Beosystem 4, Beolab 7-2 (Center), Beolab 9 (Fronts), Beolab 8000 (Rears), no Subwoofer. Screen: Sony KD-85XH9096Dining Room: Beosound Essence MK II with Beolab 4000 on stands, fed by Amazon Echo Show 8Home Cinema: Beosystem 4, Beolab 7-4 (Center), Beolab 1 (Fronts), Beolab 4000 (Rears). Projector: Sony VPL-HW55Home Office: Beosystem 3, Beolab 7-4, Beolab 5000, Screen: Sony KD-55XH9005 on Beovision 7-40 stand, ML to Beosound 9000 MK3 and Beosound 5/Beomaster 5 (1 TB SSD version)Bedroom: Sony KD-65XH9077, Beosound Essence MK II with Beolab 6002 and Beolab 11 (all white, wall-mounted)
In storage: Beolab 5000/Beomaster 5000 (1960s).
Ah, you know... A little B&O here, a little there
The Beo6 has to receive the Album cover & title from the BM5. The B&O application on the BM5 has to extract and render that info from the HD for locally stored files & similarly render the Album artwork & title from Spotify onto the BS5. It sounds as though you are suggesting that Spotify is running as a separate application on the BM5 and is communicating directly with the BS5. If that is the case then I could believe that it would be impossible to display the artwork on the Beo6, if that is not the case then I cannot see any technical problem other than software development to rendering to the Beo6. At the end of the day if it can already be displayed on the BS5 then why can it not be displayed on the Beo6. Displaying the artwork on the Beo6 is the one of the primary functional advantages over the Beo5.
@rmclachlan- now that is a valid point, let hope Struer is seeing this !
I received a reply from BeoCare, no great surprise as to the content. Very polite and helpful but depressingly familiar...
Dear Mr xxx
stefan:Not exactly. I had hoped that you could explain your post a bit further: "Well, I know that specifically in the case of transmitting Spotify covers special agreements would have to be made with the copyright-holders of each label." Obviously you can`t. Usually Beo would make an agreement with Spotify. Spotify has agreements with music labels, artists, etc. So, if Beo made agreements with Spotify that exclude coverart sent by Beoremotes, this was a big mistake. I can`t believe that. You, as a dealer, should know that.... So, please explain, what "exactly" is the problem? Stefan
Well, I could elaborate on it, but what does it help? Specific agreements would have to be made with Spotify. I assume that B&O didn't make these agreements or did not want to make these agreements for reasons that I touched upon initially: don't expect any big developments for Beo5/6 anymore.
Please elaborate. It might not help but I am great believer in understanding a problem before accepting whether there is a solution or not.
Any insight on whether there will another controller to replace the Beo6? My view is that they really need one, and one that is considerably easier to program and can be prgrammed by the end user.
rmclachlan: Please elaborate. It might not help but I am great believer in understanding a problem before accepting whether there is a solution or not. Any insight on whether there will another controller to replace the Beo6? My view is that they really need one, and one that is considerably easier to program and can be prgrammed by the end user.
Well, I cannot go into all the details, but there are several things in this that make 2-way support for Spotify on Beo6 a bad business case. First of all it is the licensing. Spotify wants to have money per device accessing their service for album covers etc. For such devices they normally request to have their own client on the device OR they have specific requirements towards branding and functionality. All things that would require money, development and are partly not feasible on the hardware.Those people suggesting that you would just have to transmit covers from a device like BM5/BS5 I have to tell that Spotify does not allow this per se. New, very specific (expensive) agreements would have to be made and this normally does not go without any branding/functionality requests from Spotify as mentioned above.
So the big question for B&O would be: Is it really worth investing that much money into a device (Beo6) that is already beyond its best days?
I have no idea what is planned in terms of new remotes, but from what I understand the BeoRemote app is the way to go for them in the future.
OK, I think that is a fair reply. Hopefully B&O will be forthcoming with a better controller for their flagship audio product - no matter how it is done.