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I heard a rumour that prices will be coming down ASAP on the BeoVision 11 in stores. Does anybody have an idea as to how much prices typically drop and is it usually early in the year that B&O does this (perhaps after CES)? thanks.
There is a promo running right now that lets you trade in any TV for 1000 to 1500$ and i think the same is there in EUR as well
http://www.bang-olufsen.com/en/offer
correct this promotion running in spain to
malcolm
giving me £850 for my tv which is worth max £50 on ebay is good enough for me
6 weeks delivery , looks like a big success and well deserved !!!
Flappo: giving me £850 for my tv which is worth max £50 on ebay is good enough for me 6 weeks delivery , looks like a big success and well deserved !!!
I accidentally saw an internal note on the trade-in deal, when I was at my dealer the other day - basically saying it's been a huge success and caused BV11 motorised stand delays amongst other things.
What size are you getting flappo?
Beoplay A2
I traded in my 5 year 46" Loewe for a BV 11-55 fully loaded and had it delivered on Christmas eve. And I was able to keep the Loewe and sell it for a good price. So, even more savings.
The BV11 is a great TV, love the sound, picture is great, too, but not really a big improvement over the Loewe. And the built in recorder is mediocre compared to my old TV, very akward handling and buggy. A little disappointment. Example: with the Loewe you press one button to see all your recordings, press one button to see all your scheduled recordings.
Still, love the BV with the integration of Apple TV, STB and my BS9000. Only concern I have is 4k. I am a bit worried the BV might be outdated in the course of 2014 because all the manufacturers are pushing 4k and after the CES the 4k message has become even stronger.
I am aware, there is not much content to play in 4k, but in one or two years there probably will be a lot of content available. And this is not like 3D, which was only a gimmick. I have not even ordered the 3D glasses with my BV.
schatzoy: Still, love the BV with the integration of Apple TV, STB and my BS9000. Only concern I have is 4k. I am a bit worried the BV might be outdated in the course of 2014 because all the manufacturers are pushing 4k and after the CES the 4k message has become even stronger.
There's no way this is going to happen quickly. For a couple of reasons:
1) Sky, one of the biggest players, has already said that they need standards to settle before they produce 4K Sky boxes, required to decode any 4K signal. The BBC has admitted that they'd only follow Sky, the BBC won't have any 4K channel soon. If two key broadcasting companies aren't predicting 4K soon, there won't be a rush. Sky might bring out a single 4K channel, much like their 3D channel, later in 2014, but it won't be widespread content. ie. regular TV. The BBC has already stated they are spending their R&D money improving their HD channels, with better codecs, than worrying about 4K.
2) The bandwidth isn't widely available. Using the UK as an example, the average broadband user is still limited to under 8Mbp/s. This isn't good enough to stream a live 4K channel as it stands.
I wouldn't worry that 4K is suddenly going to take over soon. The practicalities will stop it. As one broadcaster said recently: the only people interested in 4K are the TV manufacturers, which remains true.
Enjoy the BV11. You can't beat a Blu-ray and HD TV is good enough for any <55" TV.
i'm looking at the 40 , but if the 46 fits in my front room , may get that
just don't want it overpowering the area
you go in some houses and there's this huge horrible black rectangle
moxxey:There's no way this is going to happen quickly. For a couple of reasons: 1) Sky, one of the biggest players, has already said that they need standards to settle before they produce 4K Sky boxes, required to decode any 4K signal. The BBC has admitted that they'd only follow Sky, the BBC won't have any 4K channel soon. If two key broadcasting companies aren't predicting 4K soon, there won't be a rush. Sky might bring out a single 4K channel, much like their 3D channel, later in 2014, but it won't be widespread content. ie. regular TV. The BBC has already stated they are spending their R&D money improving their HD channels, with better codecs, than worrying about 4K. 2) The bandwidth isn't widely available. Using the UK as an example, the average broadband user is still limited to under 8Mbp/s. This isn't good enough to stream a live 4K channel as it stands. I wouldn't worry that 4K is suddenly going to take over soon. The practicalities will stop it. As one broadcaster said recently: the only people interested in 4K are the TV manufacturers, which remains true. Enjoy the BV11. You can't beat a Blu-ray and HD TV is good enough for any
Raeuber,
hopefully the BV11-55 will be outdated 2014/15. So I will be able to upgrade from BV10 to BV11 and save thousands of €.
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.....or upgrade to the V100
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Flappo:i'm looking at the 40 , but if the 46 fits in my front room , may get that just don't want it overpowering the area you go in some houses and there's this huge horrible black rectangle
To be fair...with technology evolving so quickly, there will always be something better and bigger just around the corner.
I will follow moxxey's advice and enjoy the BV11 now and not worry about the future. I mean, TV station broadcast is still 720p, so not even FullHD, 1080p Apple TV is compressed, so again, we are not even at BR level.
OTOH, the BV7 successor will be 4k equipped, my dealer told me. So, the BV11 will eventually most certainly also be upgraded this year. Probably that is why they have the promo going on.
hotknife:Raeuber, hopefully the BV11-55 will be outdated 2014/15. So I will be able to upgrade from BV10 to BV11 and save thousands of €. BV10-46 + Technisat DigiCorder Isio C 1 TB + AppleTV3; BS4; BL9; BL4000 MKII
BV11-55 with Technisat DigiCorder
+ 9" sceen (upgrade from 46" to 55")
i really don't see the point of 4k apart from shifting boxes fro struggling manufacturers , it's not like 1080p looks terrible is it ? where's the source material ?
you'll need a big screen to tell the difference , and by big i mean 60"+ ( i've read how 80" and above is the optimum size for 4k - eeeurgh )
i don't want my front room turning into a branch of dixons thx very much
Flappo:i really don't see the point of 4k apart from shifting boxes fro struggling manufacturers , it's not like 1080p looks terrible is it ? where's the source material ? you'll need a big screen to tell the difference , and by big i mean 60"+ ( i've read how 80" and above is the optimum size for 4k - eeeurgh ) i don't want my front room turning into a branch of dixons thx very much
schatzoy: I will follow moxxey's advice and enjoy the BV11 now and not worry about the future. I mean, TV station broadcast is still 720p, so not even FullHD, 1080p Apple TV is compressed, so again, we are not even at BR level.
Precisely. Plus Blu-ray movies are pretty fantastic. Streaming 4K won't even give you a Blu-ray experience: you won't get the superb uncompressed audio and watching a B&O TV is primarily about the audio experience!
I know it's very easy to get blown away by UHD in the shops with their specially sourced material, only to get home and find there's nothing unique to watch, but i felt a little uneasy looking at a £10,000 Beovision 11-46, next to an £5,000 Samsung OLED 55inch. Neither were UHD, but the picture difference was let's say, more than marginal.
Hopefully B&O will soon include a range that include such technology from their panel source, sooner rather than later.
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i think it's more than mere picture quality , from my own experience samsung gear is poorly made and very unreliable
i'd rather have something solid and well made that lasts
it's the internal processing and guts that makes the difference imo , visionclear on a bno ?
i had a samedung , felt like it was made out of tin foil , with nasty rough edges and developed a screen fault after 3 days ( the board had a defect ) won't bother with that again , thx
anyway from what i've gleaned bbc are waiting for 8k so looks like 4k is just a stop gap
Flappo:anyway from what i've gleaned bbc are waiting for 8k so looks like 4k is just a stop gap
That's not what they told us in a recent interview.
They aren't 'waiting for 8K' (8K is long-term pipe talk!). They are just waiting for the standards and market to settle, whilst concentrating on improving their existing HD service. They've only launched BBC3 and BBC4 in HD.
There are a lot of issues to get streaming 4K across Freeview. HD across Freeview doesn't even work well in Bath. Picture often breaks up. 4K requires more bandwidth and also a special/new receiver. All this is a long way off. The BBC aren't going to rush out 4K, soon. And definitely not considering 8K.
"Dr Kubota admits not all broadcasters are as keen as NHK to pursue 8K, but he says there is solid interest from the BBC, Italian broadcaster RAI and the big American networks. Just as with 4K, it’s the HEVC codec which is central to getting 8K out of the R&D ghetto. Indeed, the man from NHK says that HEVC is so efficient it will even allow 8K to be streamed across the internet, which could change everything. "
"NHK, in conjunction with the BBC, used the London Olympic Games as a field trial for 8K, and the resulting footage astonished all those who saw it, including us. NHK describes the technology as uniquely immersive. 'This kind of advanced system gives us an unrivalled sense of presence,' says Kubota. 'It enables a viewing experience that is as close to reality as possible.' Primitive cultures once believed that a camera could capture the soul in an image. 8K actually does.
But even as the world’s biggest TV makers work out how best to package 4K, Japanese state broadcaster NHK has been talking up its replacement. 8K Super Hi Vision offers an image 16 x more detailed than HD. At 33 megapixels it inflates the envelope of human visual acuity, and then pops it with a loud bang.
Dr Keiichi Kubota, NHK’s Executive DG of Engineering (below), told HCC that progress with 8K has been so rapid that they’ve now decided to leapfrog 4K as a transmission standard altogether: 'It took two decades to take hi-def from the lab to public demos. We’ve made the same progress with Super Hi-Vision in half the time,' he says. ‘Our experts have set a target date of 2020 for experimental broadcasts, but there’s the possibility of bringing this forward. We want to begin as soon as possible.’
Flappo: Our experts have set a target date of 2020 for experimental broadcasts, but there’s the possibility of bringing this forward. We want to begin as soon as possible.’
Our experts have set a target date of 2020 for experimental broadcasts, but there’s the possibility of bringing this forward. We want to begin as soon as possible.’
We had an interview with the guy who makes these decisions at the BBC and there was zero mention on 8K. And as that rightly says above, 8K experimental broadcasts are.....6 years away. The whole point of this discussion is people buying BV11's now and whether they should worry about new broadcasting standards, such as 4K etc. The BBC isn't launching 4K or 8K soon :)
4K or 8K television broadcasts are not even close to being realised.
The cited interview also stats that the new codec (which replaces MPEG4) will allow 8K to be streamed via the internet. This is key to understanding how far we are from televised 8K signals. The internet connection does not have the same bandwidth limitations as the broadcasting networks, especially signals transmitted through the air.
If I had to guess, then I'll have to say that 4K television broadcast which are generally available for the top 5 most viewed channels is at least 5+ years away.
I wouldn't hesitate to buy a Beovision 11 today or in 2015 for that matter with regards to resolution. Furthermore the benefit of 4K in sub 50" TV are marginal.
OLED panels are still too expensive. At the moment the Beovision 11-55 is a sub 9000£ TV. An OLED panel Beovision 11-55 would be 14000+£. That brings the BV11 into a whole different price league.
I would expect a sub 10000£ 55" OLED Bevision 11 equivalent in about 3-4 years.
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Quite agree. You can wait for ever , and time's something you can't get back.
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olvisab: Hi I just wonder if someone gets news about the new apple tv ?
Hi
I just wonder if someone gets news about the new apple tv ?
Surely the world's most recycled rumor.
olvisab: I just wonder if someone gets news about the new apple tv ?
Wrong forum for asking that question :)
It's also total speculation, nothing more than just a press-generated rumour, so far. I wouldn't get your hopes up waiting. Besides, an Apple TV, although well designed and solid, won't be anything like a B&O for the sound experience, which is 50% of the A/V experience.
Flappo: Quite agree. You can wait for ever , and time's something you can't get back.
Bingo! We aren't talking 3D here.
That's why somebody (think ROKU, Western Digital, XStream, etc) will have a 4K channel within a year. That's why somebody with a global presence will stream HiFi audio (iTunes, Spotify) Premium content, though I think HiFi audio is a niche business.
The one who makes money while working the bugs out (the way Apple did with iTunes, their real difference maker) has a nice advantage. Of course now advantages don't necessarily last a long time.
moxxey:Wrong forum for asking that question :) It's also total speculation, nothing more than just a press-generated rumour, so far. I wouldn't get your hopes up waiting. Besides, an Apple TV, although well designed and solid, won't be anything like a B&O for the sound experience, which is 50% of the A/V experience.
It always is kind of depressing when, in order to churn boxes and play the market, manufacturers push into things like 4K when most average televisions are actually pretty awful. So, in the near future we will have a lot of people buying 46 inch 4K sets that have all the same issues the execrable low end LCDs have now, poor gray scale tracking, bad contrast and black levels, lots of motion artifacts, artificial and weird color balances, etc. Things that, if improved, would actually go a long way farther towards making the viewing experience better than the addition of more pixels you can't see anyway at normal screen sizes and viewing positions.
Maybe I'm just in a bad mood because Panasonic is dropping plasma, still the best picture quality sets out there. Grumble.
Jeff
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Jeff: It always is kind of depressing when, in order to churn boxes and play the market, manufacturers push into things like 4K when most average televisions are actually pretty awful. So, in the near future we will have a lot of people buying 46 inch 4K sets that have all the same issues the execrable low end LCDs have now, poor gray scale tracking, bad contrast and black levels, lots of motion artifacts, artificial and weird color balances, etc. Things that, if improved, would actually go a long way farther towards making the viewing experience better than the addition of more pixels you can't see anyway at normal screen sizes and viewing positions. Maybe I'm just in a bad mood because Panasonic is dropping plasma, still the best picture quality sets out there. Grumble.
You're right - it's depressing...and just as 4K is coming up, then they're talking about the next 'big thing' : Tah tah..(drumroll)...: 8K -oh my!!!...what will come next...16K...Ooooh -it's even BETTER than real life...'You have never seen anything like this' ... Yeah right...
I will rather keep my Plasma than buy a 4K LCD tv. There's more to life than specs...And I don't have the room for a 100" screen... ;-)The only thing that can replace Plasma, when it comes to natural colors and black-level is OLED. But they're still pretty expensive.
And most people and manufacturers focus on specs that don't matter but are easier to manipulate. I remember the THD spec wars of the 70's, massive amounts of global feedback to get THD specs lower and lower all the while driving inter modulation distortion and other things off the charts.
My first plasma was a Panasonic ED, or 480p set, not even the minimum resolution to be HD. Why? It had significantly better contrast and black levels than the HD 720p sets at the time. It still has a great picture, and from 10 ft away for its 42 inch size you can't see the pixels. I've had friends over who were wowed at how much better it looked than their HD sets and who were flabbergasted to discover it wasn't even HD.
I just hope my VT series Panasonic plasma lasts until OLED gets cheaper or something else good comes along.
Some years ago the Imaging Science Foundation listed what they felt were the most important specs for displays, and number of pixels was below gray scale linearity, accurate color temp, contrast/black levels, and accurate color decoding. I find I agree with their assessments.