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AppleTV 4 on BV7-32 Projector output

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MJBeo Posted: Tue, Apr 10 2018 11:06 PM

Hi, I have a compatibility issue with an old beovision...

I have a hd-ready beovision 7-32 with dvi input and vga projector output (1280x720 resolution). To enable multiple HD sources I added a hdmi switch, followed by a hdmi extractor for the sound. This way I have HD TV receiver (settopbox), raspberry pi and appletv 4th generation connected to the beovision. I can watch all sources in 1080i or 720p on the beovision. I can also view all the content on a hitachi projector using the VGA output from bv7. 

All works great, except when I try to watch the apple tv source on the projector: the screen shows briefly, then it says something like “content protected, please switch to a different source”. I read the few posts here on the forum about this issue, and I know this is a hdcp issue, but I don’t know if it can be resolved. If I put the output resolution of the apple tv to 480p it shows the content from apple tv on the projector, but every few seconds it briefly drops to the message above, and then restores the image. So even when it works, it does not like this setup.

I have not tried a different projector, but this hitachi can go up to WUXGA so that resolution should not be the issue. Perhaps a vga-hdmi converter and a hdmi capable projector works? Or is the conversion inside the bv7 what breaks the hdcp chain?

Has anyone experienced this issue and knows of a solution? E.g. the use of Atlona AT-HDSync, as I read in another thread? Or would a downgrade to a 3rd generation apple TV or a chromecast solve this?

Upgrading the beovision and the projector to make it works is probably the most expensive solution, so I try to avoid that for now.

All help is welcome, because I really wanted this to work after seeing the projector work so well with the raspberry pi and the Hd tv receiver.... the apple TV is a recent addition and I am very disappointed that I could not get it to work.

Thank you in advance!

Beosound 5 Encore + Beosystem 5500 + S45.2; BV7-40 MKV + BL7.1 + BL14.4+ AppleTV4; various link rooms with MCL2 A or MCL2 A/V + RL60.2 / CX100 / CX50 & Cona  / IWS2000; BG4000; Beosystem 1200 + BV1600.

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MJBeo replied on Sat, Apr 14 2018 10:48 PM

Any experience with this message on a Beovision is welcome - I  sure I am not the only person tp have tried to use the VGA output of the Bv7-32 with an appleTV...

Beosound 5 Encore + Beosystem 5500 + S45.2; BV7-40 MKV + BL7.1 + BL14.4+ AppleTV4; various link rooms with MCL2 A or MCL2 A/V + RL60.2 / CX100 / CX50 & Cona  / IWS2000; BG4000; Beosystem 1200 + BV1600.

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MJBeo replied on Wed, May 9 2018 7:11 AM

Update in this matter: After elaborate testing with chromecast, apple tv and other hdcp devices, as well as contact with b&o support it is clear that the problem exists because the analogie signal of the beovision VGA output restrics hdcp sources to be displayed on the projector. Customer support let me know that there is no bv7-32 with dvi projector output. I then asked for the hdcp conpliance of the dvi-d putput on bv7-40 mkIII and above, but they first told me that bv7 never had dvi output. After sending the reference manual from beoworld to them they replied with the following:

“Another colleague just informed me that he recently tested a BeoVision 7 with a DVI projector output, and HDMI content from a Blu-ray was shown on an external monitor connected to the TV via HDMI. This implies that it may work - but I am hesitant to make any promises as it may also depend on the connected source and the HDCP version used.”
So the question slightly changed for me: does the bv7-40 MKIII support appletv 4 output to the dvi-d projector output? Or should I opt for a hdmi splitter and not bother with the projector output at all?
Give the response to this question so far I think I will just test it muself and report my findings...

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MJBeo replied on Sun, May 26 2019 8:40 PM

Bump up this thread: is there anyone succesfully using a full hd source (netflix via appletv or blueray) on a Beovision 7-40 MK 3 or 4, with a projector connected to the dvi-d? Without hdcp errors?

Thanks in advance.

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Tim84 replied on Mon, May 27 2019 12:06 PM

There is a very easy solution to that. Just use an HDMI Audio splitter on the entrance signal. Most of them accidentally delete the HDCP check ;-)

Then your VGA; DVI-I whatever Beamer will work ;-)

 

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BEOVOX141 replied on Mon, May 27 2019 6:16 PM

Yes! But I need to check if i can be redistributed (Format 0) on the mkIII 

I have a BS3 sourcing the BR to the MkIII through the display 2 output. It is the HDMI version though!

Did you get the chromecast to work? Which version of the ATV?

BTW the BV7-32 and BV7-40 are quite different in behavior!

Stay tuned while I investigate! 

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stefan replied on Mon, May 27 2019 8:14 PM

MJBeo:

Bump up this thread: is there anyone succesfully using a full hd source (netflix via appletv or blueray) on a Beovision 7-40 MK 3 or 4, with a projector connected to the dvi-d? Without hdcp errors?

Thanks in advance.

Yes - should work. I havea BV7 40 mk3 with  Hitachi projector connected to dvi out 2. All connected HS sources - internal HD sat tuner, Dreambox HD, Amazon fitr tv 4k, LG bluray player - work without any problems via projector. Did you chheck projector settings on BV7?

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stefan replied on Mon, May 27 2019 8:21 PM

MJBeo:

Bump up this thread: is there anyone succesfully using a full hd source (netflix via appletv or blueray) on a Beovision 7-40 MK 3 or 4, with a projector connected to the dvi-d? Without hdcp errors?

Thanks in advance.

all connected hd sources - internal HD tuner, Dreambox HD, Amazon fire tv 4k, LG bluray player - work fine on my Hitachi projector connected to a BV7 40 mk3 dvi out 2 .

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stefan replied on Mon, May 27 2019 8:25 PM

All connected HD sources - dreambox HD, Amazon fire tv 4k, LG bluray, internal HD sat tuner - work fine on my Hitachi projector connected to dvi out2 of my BV7 40 mk3. Did you check projector settings on your BV7?

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BEOVOX141 replied on Mon, May 27 2019 8:43 PM

stefan:
All connected HD sources - dreambox HD, Amazon fire tv 4k, LG bluray, internal HD sat tuner - work fine on my Hitachi projector connected to dvi out2 of my BV7 40 mk3.

Works here too,- Amazon fire tv 4k?

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MJBeo replied on Fri, May 31 2019 9:16 AM

Tim84:
Most of them accidentally delete the HDCP check ;-)

I have a splitter from delock, but is passes HDTP through. Do you know some brands that actually strip the HDCP check?

Beosound 5 Encore + Beosystem 5500 + S45.2; BV7-40 MKV + BL7.1 + BL14.4+ AppleTV4; various link rooms with MCL2 A or MCL2 A/V + RL60.2 / CX100 / CX50 & Cona  / IWS2000; BG4000; Beosystem 1200 + BV1600.

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MJBeo replied on Fri, May 31 2019 9:21 AM

Thank you Stefan and Beovox141 for confirming that it works on the BV7-40 MK3!

BEOVOX141:
Did you get the chromecast to work? Which version of the ATV?

I tried chromecast version 1, apple TV gen3 and apple TV gen4 on my BV7-32.

BEOVOX141:
BTW the BV7-32 and BV7-40 are quite different in behavior!

I know! I currently use a 7-32 and I want to upgrade and anticipate the use of the DVI-D output, hence my question. Cheers!

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MJBeo replied on Fri, May 31 2019 9:24 AM

stefan:
Hitachi projector connected to dvi out2 of my BV7 40 mk3.

I thought there was only one output on the BV7-40?

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BEOVOX141 replied on Fri, May 31 2019 9:32 AM

MJBeo:
I thought there was only one output on the BV7-40?

The first one is hidden inside. on the later models (HDMI) both are external just like the BS3. The display is simply connected with a HDMI patch cable, easily detachable. Which actually means swapping the entire panel to something else is possible, provided there is a mechanical fit!

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BEOVOX141 replied on Fri, May 31 2019 9:36 AM

MJBeo:
I have a splitter from delock, but is passes HDTP through. Do you know some brands that actually strip the HDCP check?

https://tinyurl.com/y3m9jg7t  Whistle 

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MJBeo replied on Fri, May 31 2019 10:57 AM

Thank you, I actually got a solution even for the BV7-32: I connected another HDMI audio extractor that I had laying around and although the picture quality on the BV screen suffers a bit (high saturation/ high contrast), I can get the apple tv on my projector! So I actually got what I want now!

Beosound 5 Encore + Beosystem 5500 + S45.2; BV7-40 MKV + BL7.1 + BL14.4+ AppleTV4; various link rooms with MCL2 A or MCL2 A/V + RL60.2 / CX100 / CX50 & Cona  / IWS2000; BG4000; Beosystem 1200 + BV1600.

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