Beosystem 4500 with Beovision 7-40

Hi Beoworld,

I have few questions about possible connection and configuration of mentioned devices.

At the moment I have my Beovision 7 connected from headphone out to AUX of my Beosystem 4500. The speakers Beovox 3000 flat panels (passive) are connected to the Beomaster 4500. This configuration was made temporary, of course   But as all temporary things pretend to remain little bit longer, it stayed in this way for a couple of months  … Acctualy it is not so bad, I can set the volume direct on the TV or on the Beomaster, because the headphone out is volume controlled. The only thing which is not optimal in this configuration is that I have to switch on both devices with remote control separate, first the Beomaster and than the TV, or vice versa. But anyhow…
Finally I got the required Beolink converter 1611, masterlink and datalink cable to connect this devices  “properly”. Before I do that I wanted to ask if somebody has a similar configuration and experience with it and can give me some advices. If I am not wrong, it could be possible to make this configuration in two ways:
1) connect BM4500 to Beovision7 using Beolink 1611, connect Beovox3000 to Beomaster (as it is now) and configure Beomaster 4500 as Audiomaster
2) connect BM4500 to Beovision7 using Beolink 1611, connect Beovox3000 (via Beolink passive) to the Beovision 7 and configure Beovision 7 as Audiomaster

My questions are:
- What would be the benefits and disadvantages of first and of second conf?
- Would the sound be better in 1st or 2nd conf? (I read here about very good sound quality of BV7 but it would depend of course on Beolink passive)
- I am much more music fan and I am listening music more often than watching the TV. In the second configuration the Beovision 7 would be used as audiomaster and actually only to bridge the signal to the speakers. Does it mean that the Beovison 7 has to be switched on during this or it stays in stand by?

I would be grateful for any tips and advices regarding this issue. Thanks in advance!

Theomaster

Hi Theomaster,

using the 1611 turns your setup into a classical BeoLink/MasterLink setup.

You can do both!

Note: the BV7 can never be an AudioMaster - is always the VideoMaster.

If you connect the speakers (via BL Passive amp), you get easy access via Beo4 to all the sources in your setup.

Options are V-option 2 and A-option 0.

I suppose you have a loudspeaker already on the BV7?

This setup will give you a center and the front channels, when you watch a video source.

If you listen to an audio source (from the 4500), you listen to the sound - coming from the 4500 - through the front speakers (aka external speakers). Of cource the BV7 turns on, but with a muted screen!

Note: depending on your version of the BV7 you can make different sound configurations - the mentioned is the default.

If you choose to have the speakers on the 4500, you would have two independ systems - but with the opportunity of shifting the sound from one system to the other through the 'Link' command on the remote (the 'AV' button - either as the hardkey or as a softkey from the 'List').

The option settings then are: V-opt 1 and A-opt 1

If you choose to have the systems in two different rooms use V-opt 2 and A-opt 2.

Please do consult the online userguides to have more (and maybe clearer) information about your possibilities.

Have fun with your 'BeoSystem'

MM

 

Hi Millemissen,

Thank you for your quick reply.

No, as I wrote, at the moment I have Beovox 3000 connected to Beomaster 4500 and Beovision 7 connected to the BM4500 via headphone-out to the AUX-in. Othervise, if I would have speakers connected to Beovision7, I would not have opportunity to hear the music from BS4500. With Converter 1611 it will be possible, that’s the reason I bought it.

Thanks for the descriptions of V-opt and A-opt, good to know this.

Ok, I understand that the Beovision need to be switch on even if the music comes from Beomaster. Hmmm, I don’t really like this, meaning the TV has to run for hours (even without screen switsched on) if I am “only” listening the music…

I also understand that I would have opportunity to have rears, fronts and center if the speakers are connected to BV7. But until I use only two speakers it is not really the benefit. Would the sound be better via BL Passive or via amplifier of the Beomaster? Any experience?

Th

Hi,

my best advice would be: try it out to see/hear what works best at your place and for your needs.

You can easily re-arrange things.

Most certainly the sound will be better through the Link than with your recent connection.

And you are prepared for future speakers/speaker upgrades.

MM

 

Millemissen:

my best advice would be: try it out to see/hear what works best at your place and for your needs.

You can easily re-arrange things.

Not so easy because I still don't have BL Passive. That was the reason why I started this tread, I wanted to hear opinions about the sound differences over Passive and over Beomaster. I do not want to buy Passive if not necessary and if the most people thing that it does not sound so good. But maybe I will have to do it to test it myself ...

Millemissen:

Most certainly the sound will be better through the Link than with your recent connection.

And you are prepared for future speakers/speaker upgrades.

MM

You are right about this. For the future the configuration with speakers hanging on the BV7 is for sure better.

Thanks!

And one more question:

Presuming I connect devices with converter 1611and if I decide to have the speakers on the Beomaster. If I switch the Beovision on/off, does this start the Beomaster automatically or I would have to switch it on too?

Any other experiences with similar setups?

the_o_master:

 That was the reason why I started this tread, I wanted to hear opinions about the sound differences over Passive and over Beomaster. I do not want to buy Passive if not necessary and if the most people thing that it does not sound so good. But maybe I will have to do it to test it myself ...

Presuming I connect devices with converter 1611and if I decide to have the speakers on the Beomaster. If I switch the Beovision on/off, does this start the Beomaster automatically or I would have to switch it on too?

Any other experiences with similar setups?

1: that was not how I understood your op!

2: not quite sure what you mean.

But if you mean -  what has to be done, if you want to listen to a source from the 4500 through the speakers connected to the BV, the answer is:

Just push the 'source button' (e.g. Radio) - nothing more, nothing less - and you will hear what you intended.

MM

Millemissen:

1: that was not how I understood your op!

Sorry, maybe I was not clear enough...

Millemissen:

2: not quite sure what you mean.

But if you mean -  what has to be done, if you want to listen to a source from the 4500 through the speakers connected to the BV, the answer is:

Just push the 'source button' (e.g. Radio) - nothing more, nothing less - and you will hear what you intended.

OK, maybe I am newbee with Beolink configuration and maybe my idea is not very clever but here I meant exactly what I wrote. So here it is again:

"Presuming I connect devices with converter 1611and if I decide to have the speakers on the Beomaster. If I switch the Beovision on/off, does this start the Beomaster automatically or I would have to switch it on too?"

Or let try it again:

The BS4500 is connected to Beovision7 via converter 1611 (Beolink configuration) - speakers connected to Beomaster 4500 (not to Beovision) According to your description Mille it woud be V-opt 1 and A-opt 1, right?

Everithing in the stand by -> I switch on the Beovision pressing TV on the BEO4 = what will happen? Does the Beomaster turn on and I would have a sound in the speakers or I have to switch on the Beomaster too pressing AUX on the BEO4?

 

I'm a newbie as well, but have a similar setup. Avant DVD with 1611 to Beomaster 7000. I'm assuming you have all your equipment in the same room.

If you have both the Beomaster and the TV set to option 1, the TV will only respond to video commands, the Beomaster will only respond to audio commands. If you select a video source with your Beo-4, only your Beovision will power on. If you select an audio source, only the beomaster will power on. To listen to your TV with your Beomaster's speakers, you need to press "AV". On newer Beo-4s, the AV button's missing, so you need to program it as a soft key.

The other route is to set your TV to option 2 (Video and Audio master), and your Beomaster to option 0. In that case, the speakers need to be connected to your TV. When you select a video source, only the TV powers on. If you select an audio source, both the TV and the Beomaster power on, but the TV picture stays off. If you were listening to an audio source and then select a video source, the Beomaster powers off. OFF turns both the TV and Beomaster off. This is the setup I am currently using.

Brian:

I'm a newbie as well, but have a similar setup. Avant DVD with 1611 to Beomaster 7000. I'm assuming you have all your equipment in the same room.

If you have both the Beomaster and the TV set to option 1, the TV will only respond to video commands, the Beomaster will only respond to audio commands. If you select a video source with your Beo-4, only your Beovision will power on. If you select an audio source, only the beomaster will power on. To listen to your TV with your Beomaster's speakers, you need to press "AV". On newer Beo-4s, the AV button's missing, so you need to program it as a soft key.

The other route is to set your TV to option 2 (Video and Audio master), and your Beomaster to option 0. In that case, the speakers need to be connected to your TV. When you select a video source, only the TV powers on. If you select an audio source, both the TV and the Beomaster power on, but the TV picture stays off. If you were listening to an audio source and then select a video source, the Beomaster powers off. OFF turns both the TV and Beomaster off. This is the setup I am currently using.

Hi Briant and thank you for your tips.

Now I undersatndslowly how it works. Acctualy for me it would have benefits only if I connect the speakers to Beovision7. In the other way, staying with speakers connectes to my BM4500 acctualy all would be the same as it is now.

Not so easy to familiarize with those Beolink configuration comming from the old tube radios and amps from 60's..

Thanks again!

Best regards,

Theomaster

Brian:

The other route is to set your TV to option 2 (Video and Audio master), and your Beomaster to option 0. In that case, the speakers need to be connected to your TV. When you select a video source, only the TV powers on. If you select an audio source, both the TV and the Beomaster power on, but the TV picture stays off. If you were listening to an audio source and then select a video source, the Beomaster powers off. OFF turns both the TV and Beomaster off. This is the setup I am currently using.

I have a similar setup - Avant in option 2, BeoSound 4000 in option 0, but I still have my BeoLab 2500 speakers connected to the BS. Operating the system by remote is just as you state, but if I operate the BS using its front panel, it's connected speakers operate too. That provides a nice option at times.