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Someone wrote that it will have 'usb recording' for instant recording/pausing. At least that's a progress.

Who needs to 'tape' TV programmes nowadays! You can watch a lot of stuff on the sites of the broadcasters - if you don't have bandwidth problems Sad. And services like Netflix are improving.

If someone has the time and the skills to rip DVD's/BRP's to an external hard drive/NAS - well, then he should do it. Another question is, if it is legal or not (in some regions it isn't).

Personnally I will continue to buy and play BRDisc's - especially concerts and multichannel audio/Pure Audio disc's.There are lots of movies and concerts that you can't watch online. 

And I need a BRP, that can play my CD's/SACD's too, so personally I would want to choose the Bluray player myself.

I don't see a need for B&O to built in a BRP, if some people don't even use it, and others rather want to decide themselves which one to use.

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Raeuber replied on Thu, Apr 24 2014 5:49 PM
If I enjoy the Bluray 'Celebration Day from Led Zeppelin' it's obviously clear for me that I would NEVER go for a TV without a Bluray Player (fantastic picture and outstanding True HD audio). Although I am quite sure that B&O will not build Beovisions with internal Bluray Players any more. This is very sad, but you will have at least the option for an external BR, especially the Oppo.

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Received the email yesterday.  'Stoked.

Bang & Olufsen SoHo invites you to take part in the world premiere of our newest product - a pioneering Bang & Olufsen television. Come celebrate 89 years of craftsmanship tradition and be one of the very first in the world to experience our latest creation.

This special event takes place on Thursday, May 8th, in conjunction with the worldwide unveilings in Copenhagen, Munich, London and New York.

This exclusive event is by invitation only.

Please join us at:
Metropolitan Pavilion, The Suite
125 West 18th Street, Second Floor
New York, NY

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BeoBoy68 replied on Thu, Apr 24 2014 9:38 PM
Bang & Olufsen is allways in Avant-Garde ! Don't forget it ! BRD is the past.

The New Avant is a great TV !
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BeoGreg replied on Thu, Apr 24 2014 10:26 PM
moxxey:

Of course it will. It stands to reason it will. No-one is going to spend £10K on a BV11-55 when you can get the new 4K 55" TV for only £6K.

And, it correctly follows that no-one is going then spend £7K on a smaller 46", when you can get the 4K 55" for less. Which then drives down the re-sale of the pre-loved models as dealers won't want to give you much money for them. No dealer is going to give you £3K for a BV11-46 as it will be stuck in their showroom - they won't even be able to shift the new BV11's, never mind pre-loved models :)

It's wishful thinking that people will 'demand' an expensive old BV11-46 simply as they want a 46".

We are talking about BV 11-46 resale value.

I paid my BV 11-46 a few months ago 7.500 € with the special offer (on motorised stand).

Knowing I sold my 3.5 years old BV 10-40 3.500 € very very easily, I estimate the resale value of my current BV 11-46 between 5.000 € and 6.000 €.

So if the Czech made Avant is 7.000 €, maybe 8.000 € on motorised stand, why will it decrease the resale value of my BV 11-46 for someone who whants a gorgeous Danish made 46" ?

My tv will still be 3.000 € less expensive than that 4K panel poor on aluminium with strange moving speakers.

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moxxey replied on Thu, Apr 24 2014 10:29 PM

Chris Townsend:

We needed the Bluray player three times last week as our broadband was less than 1 Mbps. I love Apple TV and have bought over 60 movies on it, but I loved the ability to still play the discs more.

I know, but it still gives out completely the wrong message to the market, even though, as you know, I also buy Blu-rays!

Of course, I want Blu-ray movies to continue, that's a given, but shipping a TV with a Blu-ray player is a) adds expense as Blu-ray licensing isn't cheap and b) gives the wrong message for their 'future direction'. The emphasis needs to be on the 4K, streaming and so on.

I'll just settle with an Oppo Blu-ray player or ripping them to the NAS drive (my preferred option). Go with the latter, like I do, and there's simply no need for the physical disc.

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moxxey replied on Thu, Apr 24 2014 10:34 PM

BeoGreg:

We are talking about BV 11-46 resale value.

Knowing I sold my 3.5 years old BV 10-40 3.500 € very very easily, I estimate the resale value of my current BV 11-46 between 5.000 € and 6.000 €.

I know we're talking about BV11-46 resale value. We're not talking anything else. But resale value is affected my dealer trade-ins and how much they'll pay. Dealers will reduce their pre-loved BV11-55/46's and this will affect the private market, too.

There's a huge difference in "knowing I've sold" pre-the new TV and "the true market value" post-new TV, mark my words. No dealer will be keen on purchasing a BV11-46 at the current rates, after the new TV.

Of course, you're welcome to your opinion, but as a BV11-46 owner, I'm now fully aware my BV11-46 will have a far poorer re-sale value after May 8th.

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vlohjr1 replied on Thu, Apr 24 2014 10:46 PM
moxxey:

I know we're talking about BV11-46 resale value. We're not talking anything else. But resale value is affected my dealer trade-ins and how much they'll pay. Dealers will reduce their pre-loved BV11-55/46's and this will affect the private market, too.

There's a huge difference in "knowing I've sold" pre-the new TV and "the true market value" post-new TV, mark my words. No dealer will be keen on purchasing a BV11-46 at the current rates, after the new TV.

Of course, you're welcome to your opinion, but as a BV11-46 owner, I'm now fully aware my BV11-46 will have a far poorer re-sale value after May 8th.

I suspect the difference between the wireless and non wireless will be significant as well

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mjmedlo replied on Thu, Apr 24 2014 11:04 PM
Well

Just heard from the dealer at the meeting.

He said the new television is unbelievable. He was trying to sell me an 11-46 two days ago and said don't even consider that now.

We shall see.

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Flappo replied on Sat, Apr 26 2014 8:08 AM

If it's c £3-4k and plays games well / handles mac pro input I may end up getting one for my soho and use it as a monitor.

Intriguing

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markiedee replied on Sat, Apr 26 2014 9:06 AM

I received an invite yesterday via email for the 8th of May for the showing at Harrods it also shows part of the tv on mine aswell.

it doesn't look bezeless to me, it looks as though it has a thin metal trim which goes around the bezel and from what i can tell the screen itself still looks like a bv7.

still thinking if i should go or not i don't really mind waiting to see pictures as info trickles onto here.

 

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markiedee replied on Sat, Apr 26 2014 9:09 AM

Flappo how are you finding your bv11???

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Flappo replied on Sat, Apr 26 2014 10:13 AM

I'm very impressed with it. The picture is excellent as long as you face it full on , side angles it's a bit washed out but that's the edge lighting , not much you can do about it.

Soundwise I've tweaked it and it's really rather good now. Not as much bass as the avant but for a flat screen tv very impressive.

It also looks IMO stunning. Lovely design. Real bno .

Also impressed with all the gizmos built in , really excellent overall and a worthy upgrade. This new tv will have to be something mind blowing to surpass this.

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It is a fantastic TV, but I fear these newer generation of UHD TVs will pictorially easily surpass all before it, even my new 7-55! Even

My only personal saving grace will be the Beolab 7-6 and the convenient Bluray player.

Will these new UHD TVs make a Bluray or say Sky TV picture look better? Apart from its obvious newness.

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moxxey replied on Sat, Apr 26 2014 11:18 AM

Flappo:

If it's c £3-4k and plays games well / handles mac pro input I may end up getting one for my soho and use it as a monitor.

I don't think it's that cheap Flappo :) I think more like £6K in the UK.

However, that's still a 'bargain' for a 55" B&O TV. And, yes, my dealer also said the picture is absolutely stunning, too. He said the audio was on a level of the BV11, so isn't going to be anywhere near BV7/BL7.6 level. But you can add a sub, I guess.

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Seems like good advice. Let's wait for the mk2 version and say it was or plan all alongEmbarrassed

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Pushkin replied on Sat, Apr 26 2014 11:29 AM
Does this new TV only come in one size 55" ? - my dealer indicated it comes in a number of sizes up to 75"
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moxxey replied on Sat, Apr 26 2014 11:32 AM

Pushkin:
Does this new TV only come in one size 55" ? - my dealer indicated it comes in a number of sizes up to 75"

55" to start with, 85" soon after I think and a 65" later? If I remember what my dealer told me! Nothing smaller than 55" though.

Thinking about this some more, I paid £5K for the BL18+Transmitter 1+Playmaker combination only a few weeks ago. If B&O can bring out a 4K 55" for relatively the same price - with wireless transmitter and other components - I'm not entirely sure how they've done it based on the existing price model. Maybe they've taken a huge risk, reduced their profit margin and hope/prey that it sells in larger numbers!

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So can anyone post some titbits from these invites then?

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I posted some text from it above and the photo is the same as previously posted:

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It looks a bit like the loewe reference id bezel, but wider.

I'm excited! 

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mediabobny:

I posted some text from it above and the photo is the same as previously posted:

Thanks, didn't see it.

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I am trying to get excited about the new product(s) but in truth I am not, not at all. I have received two invitations for separate dealers and won't be attending either. I chucked them away last week. I'll just visit the forum here and read what the early adopters say. I can't really ever see myself spending more than a couple of grand on a TV these days, the technology just changes too quickly and I want value for money and products that have longevity like the old days. Its only really the second-hand market I have a look at from time to time these days. I am not prepared to be the one taking the hit anymore, that's just me though.

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mjmedlo replied on Sun, Apr 27 2014 1:36 AM
I think we'll all be pleasantly surprised.

I have good reason to think this is a game changer!

Guess we'll know in a couple weeks!

Hopefully this gets b&o back in the television game.

I think I will be an early adopter from what I know.
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hotknife replied on Sun, Apr 27 2014 8:30 AM

Guys,

I was wondering if there is any reliable picture of the new Avant available?

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No, if there were, it probably already was posted on the forum!

But we still have 11days to go - maybe a picture turns up before the event on the 8th of Mai.

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Bv7Mk3 replied on Sun, Apr 27 2014 11:35 AM

We know that the tv is 4k -) I just hope the tv has???

1. Projector out.

2.Hdmi 2.0

3. Hevc codeing

4. Netflx 4k streaming ready

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Can't imagine that it should have a 'projector out'.

The other 3 things - let's hope for that.

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Mark replied on Sun, Apr 27 2014 2:37 PM
Ok I know it's not going to happen but I would like to see say a built in Apple TV unit with Apple opening up the App Store for TV's.

I can understand how complex it must be to meet the licensing challenges to offer Catch Up TV and various Media Streaming services for every country in the world as well as satisfying personal preferences i.e. NetFlix over Amazon or Spotify over Bloom etc and what ever services coming around the corner.

Having the ability to tailor your SMART TV to your own preferences like you can with an iPad or tablet would be interesting.

Anyway I can't remember the last time I saved a date in my diary with such excitement.

we tend to forget there is more to design than designing.

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1: no, that is not going to happen.

2: are you sure we/you need all of that?

3: 'tailor the SmartTV'. Well, - at least as it is now - there would be nothing left of my SmartTV. I want a Netflix-'source' just like we have it now with the Spotify-'source. Being able to open Netflix drectly - without opening the foolish SmartTV section - would be a real progress. Just making it part the SmartTV function (WebMedia) would be too oldschool.

4: I'm exited too.

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BeoGreg replied on Sat, May 3 2014 11:04 PM
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However, that's still a 'bargain' for a 55" B&O TV.

You just said that no one said the new Avant was a bargain !? Except you than...

Sorry Moxxey couldn't resist.
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moxxey replied on Sun, May 4 2014 6:27 PM

BeoGreg:

You just said that no one said the new Avant was a bargain !? Except you than...

I'm sure you noted the use of inverted commas? In English they can be used to indicate irony.

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BeoGreg replied on Sun, May 4 2014 6:38 PM
moxxey:

I'm sure you noted the use of inverted commas? In English they can be used to indicate irony.

In french you don't need commas to indicate irony.

I've been on B&O boards since the beginning (2000/2001 maybe) and owned B&O since 1994 after my parents since 1981. I'm perfectly aware what a B&O "bargain" means thank you.

A shame we can't have a nice conversation around a pint of beer would be a lot easyer for me froggy to explain my point of view...
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Just an exemple

August 2013, the TV Samsung UE55F9000 costed € 4.890-

Today the same new TV (end of life) cost € 1.890-.

The New BeoVision Avant 55 ( same electronic base) with stand and all options cost € 9.000-.

Which brand is the bargain ?!

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DoubleU replied on Sun, May 4 2014 7:32 PM

BeoBoy68:

The New BeoVision Avant 55 ( same electronic base) with stand and all options cost € 9.000-.

Same electronic base?? Please explain..

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