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moxxey:No, see above, long gone. I wanted it, they gave me a reasonable offer, but then they sold it to someone else. I don't want a BV4. Looks dated with the embossed panel. If my dealer offers me a deal on a BV11-55, I'll take it, but it's not forthcoming, so I'll keep the BV11-46.
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.
mbdj:Chris it has to be floor mounted not to bothered about sound as I would use beolab 5s and beolab 4000 rears the 12-65 looked to big on the stand the 7-55 also looked to big on the tall stand the 11-55 looked the best in my eyes but not sure if it's the best TV .
It's not, the BV7-55 is, but it's only marginally better picture wise. Audio is much better, but you can enhance the BV11-55 with a sub and/or external speakers. A sub helps massively and you can hide it behind the BV11.
Go with what you like best, visually. The BV7-55 is huge, the BV11 is a work of art. The BV7 is a 'better TV', but the margins are far smaller now than they were five years ago! If the BV7-55 looks too big on the stand in the store....it will look MUCH bigger in your living room, trust me :)
Raeuber: Hi moxxey, did you cancel your order of the Avant for all times (because of delay of production and noticed upscaling issues of HD and SD sources)? Did you get any infos from your dealer regarding sorting out these issues by B&O? Regards Räuber
Hi moxxey,
did you cancel your order of the Avant for all times (because of delay of production and noticed upscaling issues of HD and SD sources)? Did you get any infos from your dealer regarding sorting out these issues by B&O?
Regards
Räuber
Hi Räuber
My Avant order is currently on 'permanent hold' for the foreseeable. I made that decision as B&O cancelled the installation twice (as they put a halt on production, twice) and the issues described on here. I don't want to beta-test another B&O TV. I've done that in the past, plenty of times.
On top of this, I don't want a TV with an inferior HD picture and it sounds like that the Avant's 4K panel results in a downgrade of a regular HD programme, as it has to be upscaled. As 95% of the TV I watch is regular HD, I'm not prepared to put up with a downgrade in the quality of my picture (which, let's face it, is the primary reason we buy a TV). That's why I was - and still am - totally perplexed by the people who decided to trade-in top-of-the-range BV7-55 against an Avant. I have no idea what they are expecting, but it won't be a BV7-55 level of A/V quality.
No, I have absolutely no info from my dealer about them fixing any issue apart from the smears from behind the panel, which was the result of the Avant overheating, I was told.
mbdj:When i said the 11-55 looked the best in my eyes i mean to look at not the picture quality I think they all looked great that's the problem I have choosing one over the other.
I know what you mean, don't worry. I agree with you. I love the BV11 - it's like a work of art, particularly on the easel stand. I think the picture and audio from the BV7-55 can't be bettered, but I can't have one as it will look like I've parked a small van in my living room. It's bigger than our 2-seat sofa :)
I'd go with the BV11-55. Just get that and, perhaps later, a BL11 or BL20. You won't regret it. I've owned BV7's, BV10s, BV11s and I think the BV11 is a great balance between picture, audio and visual appeal. Just needs a sub.
mbdj:I will be upgrading my lab 1s to lab 5s so hopefully I will not need the sub .
No, you definitely won't need a separate sub then!
I do worry the lab 5's will overshadow the lean arty BV11 installation though. Also, and I'll admit I didn't read the opening post properly, if you have ALT-based speakers, then the 7.4 with BV7 might be a better purchase.
I was simply astonished how good the audio experience was, when I connected my ALT BL9s with a 7.4 via my BV7-40. Blu-ray audio blew me away. The sofa would rock with the vibrations!
Chris Townsend:Hopefully one day we will get some 5's....
I had some, sold them, and I don't aspire to owning them again. Seriously big, hard to calibrate and they are no better than the BL9s and definitely not the BL20s, for 99% of homes. BL5s are almost industrial-level speakers.
Chris, you said your home wasn't big enough for the TV, never mind TV and BL5s. Have you thought this through? :)
moxxey:I had some, sold them, and I don't aspire to owning them again. Seriously big, hard to calibrate and they are no better than the BL9s and definitely not the BL20s, for 99% of homes. BL5s are almost industrial-level speakers. Chris, you said your home wasn't big enough for the TV, never mind TV and BL5s. Have you thought this through? :)
Chris Townsend: moxxey: Chris, you said your home wasn't big enough for the TV, never mind TV and BL5s. Have you thought this through? :) Don't be such a bloody grown up
moxxey: Chris, you said your home wasn't big enough for the TV, never mind TV and BL5s. Have you thought this through? :)
Don't be such a bloody grown up
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moxxey: I had some, sold them, and I don't aspire to owning them again. Seriously big, hard to calibrate and they are no better than the BL9s and definitely not the BL20s, for 99% of homes. BL5s are almost industrial-level speakers.
I remember this from years ago, how long did you have them for? Have you always been in the same house? Saying that the BL5 are no better than BL9 is a huge call, sorry. My experience with BL5 in a number of room styles has always been adrenalin filled and emotionally moving. The way they get SO close to the original sound is practically unfathomable. I have had 9's for about 4 years now and they are good, but I can't wait for the day i get a pair of 5's - a sublime, well rounded loudspeaker.
Dave: I remember this from years ago, how long did you have them for? Have you always been in the same house? Saying that the BL5 are no better than BL9 is a huge call, sorry.
I remember this from years ago, how long did you have them for? Have you always been in the same house? Saying that the BL5 are no better than BL9 is a huge call, sorry.
They were superb when I bought them (pre-loved), don't get me wrong. They were clearly calibrated elsewhere, most likely on a solid floor. Sadly though, my room is much smaller, wooden flooring, old sash windows. When I went to re-calibrate for my place (a bad move), they never sounded the same again. Never could calibrate them back to how they sounded originally, hence the disappointment. The bass just dropped away completely.
Personally, I'd go for 20's if I was looking at a top-of-the-range set of B&O speakers. Look good, sit above the BL9s, sound amazing, good value.
What a shame... This may sound extreme, but i would have seriously considered moving house
The 3-way speaker type has its limitations, nothing comes close to the 5's for their sheer accuracy. Anyway, nuff about that. I would choose a BV7 over a BV11, but that's just my taste - I love the solid build and magic movement.
I probably won't audition the 20's for a while elephant as my nearest B&O dealer is now a good 12 hour drive away, not at the end of the street anymore, which is a good thing for the bank balance lol
Tell you what guys, I'm listening to George Michael's (live) Symphonica album via my BL18s and I've never heard anything more incredible. These are such good speakers, this is such a well-recorded album, it sounds like the band is playing in this room. Crystal clear. BL18s are perfect for this kind of music.
And this is completely and utterly off topic now :)
Dave: Anyway, nuff about that. I would choose a BV7 over a BV11, but that's just my taste - I love the solid build and magic movement.
Anyway, nuff about that. I would choose a BV7 over a BV11, but that's just my taste - I love the solid build and magic movement.
Precisely, everyone's taste differs. These BL18s are super-incredible (better than any other B&O speaker I've owned, and I've had just about every pair from BL4000s to BL5s), but there are lot of people who will dislike the bright sound you receive from them. But they suit my ear and the design sits well on my eyes.
BeoGreg:@Moxxey Time for a pic then...
moxxey: Dave: Anyway, nuff about that. I would choose a BV7 over a BV11, but that's just my taste - I love the solid build and magic movement. Precisely, everyone's taste differs. These BL18s are super-incredible (better than any other B&O speaker I've owned, and I've had just about every pair from BL4000s to BL5s), but there are lot of people who will dislike the bright sound you receive from them. But they suit my ear and the design sits well on my eyes.
Interesting. So you rate the 18s better than the 9s for example? The price is similar so I guess they could be. I wasn't really expecting 'much' of an improvement though with newer speakers. What have they got that the others haven't? Problem is I fancy a change from column speakers these days. The 9s have an exciting look to my eyes. The 20s less so, much as I am trying to like them!
B&O products are V1-32, BS2, H95, E8 and an Essence remote.11-46 now replaced with Sony A90J 65”, Sony HT-A9, Sony UBP-X800M2 and Sony SRS-NS7.
The Beonic Man: Interesting. So you rate the 18s better than the 9s for example? The price is similar so I guess they could be. I wasn't really expecting 'much' of an improvement though with newer speakers. What have they got that the others haven't? Problem is I fancy a change from column speakers these days. The 9s have an exciting look to my eyes. The 20s less so, much as I am trying to like them!
The 9s are a different beast. I found my pair to command movies. Superb with Blu-Ray audio. You never needed a sub with the 9s. But they never really worked for me as speakers for regular audio. Found them quite mid-range, whereas the 3s were brighter (but lacked bass without a sub). The 18s don't need a sub, IMHO, and sit above the 3s+sub, but with the same kind of bright audio experience.
But, and this is important, everyone hears audio differently, so always go with your own opinion. Plenty of people don't like that bright audio experience you get from the 3s, 18s etc.
The 18s will move to the Avant if/when that gets installed next week. Avant+18s+11 sub (as I have nowhere else to put it).
Be interesting to see how they get on with movies. I have thought about 3s, or 9s again. I need to keep it all ALT really. 20s, 5s? Oh! What to do. I'd like a surround setup when I move into a new home, but 5.1 or 7.1? I am not even sure what 7.1 is! Where do the other speakers go and is it worth it? Anyway... just thinking out loud. Night.
Chris Townsend: BeoGreg: @Moxxey Time for a pic then... Time for an AVANT CHRISTENING party at Moxxeys place
BeoGreg: @Moxxey Time for a pic then...
@Moxxey
Time for a pic then...
Time for an AVANT CHRISTENING party at Moxxeys place
So let's take a vote guys (or try twisting Moxxey's arm )
To Avant () or not to Avant (), That is indeed the question ...
elephant: To Avant () or not to Avant (), That is indeed the question ...
Avant is more likely than less likely to arrive. My dealer wants me to test it, at least.
The question is though, whether to use the 18s with the TV or not.