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Ramasjang:I am missing the n.Radio
mjmedlo:I don't believe the n radio was pushed to the 11. Only the avant.
I wonder what the rationale was with that omission? I hope it wasn't a business case, that they thought they could sell more Avants vs 11's based on N.Radio availability.
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.
Chris Townsend:A bit more of the same news on UHD players.. http://www.t3.com/news/new-ultra-hd-blu-ray-format-confirmed-for-4k-video Beovision 7-55 Mk2, Beovision 8-32, Avant RF 28, Beolab 8000, Beolit 12, Beoplay A2, Beocom 2, Beotime, H6, Form 2.
mjmedlo:I think it's 100% business based. Gives the avant a competitive edge.
Gives the avant a competitive edge.
I find purely software based competitive edges within one company's product line to be a bit underhanded (I'm looking at Apple, even though I've been a Mac Geek since the mid 90s). But that's only my opinion.
Any functionality which can be added purely by software should be done if there is capable hardware. The BV11 will never have UHD, of course, as well as other functions that the Avant has, but simple addition of N.Radio, and I'm sure other 0's and 1's to the brains of both televisions is a no brainer to me.
I doubt a person considering a purchase of an Avant vs BV11 would consider the availability of N.Radio to be the straw that broke the camel's back when the elephant in the room is 4K.
Chris Townsend:"The BV11 will never have UHD, of course" Why not, UHD panels are now becoming very much the norm. If I was Tue I'd relaunch the 11 with an integrated Bluray player(my tiny laptop has one and they cost pennies now) and an UHD panel.
Why not, UHD panels are now becoming very much the norm. If I was Tue I'd relaunch the 11 with an integrated Bluray player(my tiny laptop has one and they cost pennies now) and an UHD panel.
I didn't explain myself correctly. As it currently stands, the BV 11 doesn't have UHD, and I don't foresee B&O updating the BV11 with UHD panels anytime soon because of the potential investment loss they'd experience if the BV11 ate into Avant Sales by leveling the playing field THAT much.
The larger point was that N.Radio is likely a push button injection of code which is a relatively easy thing to do to bring extra functionality to existing customers, and won't significantly "even the gap" between the Avant and BV11.
Sal,
The main reason its a tricky change is that the BeoSystem 4 inside an Avant is an updated revision consisting of various changes - they are not the same BS4s.
Actually putting a 4K panel inside is easy, its just glass. I suspect the bigger issue is re-engineering the boards to suit the 11 chassis.
I don't think B&O Marketing are doing a Porsche Cayman versus 911 thing here. This is not an engineering to a product positioning thing, its just cost/engineering IMOP.
Meanwhile the Avant is selling like hot cakes because its a fundamentally stronger product. However, I do realise that many like the picture frame look of the BV11/10/9/5 heritage. Its a nice product. My personal preference and belief is that the Avant is more of a B&O design that lives up to their brand promise of surprising experiences. Others will prefer the 11's presence and ability to an additive part of the decor.
+1
Then you could have it successfully on the wall. I would get one for my front room if it was a BV11 with built in BR.
Sal: mjmedlo:I think it's 100% business based. Gives the avant a competitive edge. I find purely software based competitive edges within one company's product line to be a bit underhanded (I'm looking at Apple, even though I've been a Mac Geek since the mid 90s). But that's only my opinion. Any functionality which can be added purely by software should be done if there is capable hardware. The BV11 will never have UHD, of course, as well as other functions that the Avant has, but simple addition of N.Radio, and I'm sure other 0's and 1's to the brains of both televisions is a no brainer to me. I doubt a person considering a purchase of an Avant vs BV11 would consider the availability of N.Radio to be the straw that broke the camel's back when the elephant in the room is 4K.
Everything you need to make an AV-product today is related to licences. This might even be a bigger cost factor than the hard-/software is.
Simply adding Netradio to the BV11 (and/or the V1) via sw-update does not do the trick.
B&O would have to pay the licences needed for all BV11's (in the past and future) - calculating this probably keept them off from doing it.
I expect that we will see Netradio as a regular part of the next BV.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Hi Millemissen
Can you please show me a link that support your statement regarding an extra lisens if B&O where to add net radio to BV11?
I have read and understand that this is the case regarding Netflix and other apps on the smart TV platform. Unfortinatly that also meant that Ted Talk was removed a while back.
But net radio is oftware developed by B&O them self, in my view it is just poor customer service...
Thanks
Millemissen: Everything you need to make an AV-product today is related to licences. This might even be a bigger cost factor than the hard-/software is. Simply adding Netradio to the BV11 (and/or the V1) via sw-update does not do the trick. B&O would have to pay the licences needed for all BV11's (in the past and future) - calculating this probably keept them off from doing it. I expect that we will see Netradio as a regular part of the next BV. MM
Respectfully, Net Radio is an access point, rather than an information transfer subscription service like Netflix / Spotify / etc. Would that mean that the 30,000 radio stations, powered by and paid for through advertising, would also need to be paid a license fee from the device manufacturer which provides the access point? I don't think that's accurate.
Does that mean that for example, NPR (National Public Radio) gets paid a licence fee from every electronics manufacturer which chooses to allow net radio access which contains NPR as a radio station? I find that hard to believe.
I continue to think that is the decision was based as others have said, based on competitive advantage, than any licensing, or hardware limitations.
I can't provide a link - if I had one, I'd probably already done that.
This is what I was told - and I did not question it, like you do.
It seems to me quite reasonable, since the company behind TuneIN is providing a service.
If you want to get TuneIN as app without banner adverts, you have to pay for it.
I can't imagine that a private company with 100 employees lets another company use their service for free.
Same goes for v-Tuner:
http://www.vtuner.com/about/our-services.html
BeoNut since '75
Millemissen:I can't provide a link - if I had one, I'd probably already done that.This is what I was told - and I did not question it, like you do.
We are not talking 'free app' here.
We are talking implementing a service.
Think what you like - it won't change anything.
Or investigate - and come back with your results.
Ramasjang: Hi Millemissen Can you please show me a link that support your statement regarding an extra lisens if B&O where to add net radio to BV11? I have read and understand that this is the case regarding Netflix and other apps on the smart TV platform. Unfortinatly that also meant that Ted Talk was removed a while back. But net radio is oftware developed by B&O them self, in my view it is just poor customer service... Thanks
I'm don't believe this is fair comment. It has been clear that the Avant featured upgraded capabilities beyond the 4k display based on an updated BS4 chassis. Furthermore, a decision was made to purchase based on a given set of capabilities and now there is an expectation beyond that which was promised at the time of purchase. That doesn't sound like poor customer service.
In the grand scheme of things, if B&O merely withheld NetRadio from across their television lines simply because they could, rather than it truly being a hardware limitation to sets older than the Avant, that's not something that is truly customer friendly. I concede that if there truly were licensing considerations, I might be more understanding. Heck I don't even listen to Net Radio, but this is more of a principle thing.
Millemissen:We are not talking 'free app' here.We are talking implementing a service.Think what you like - it won't change anything.Or investigate - and come back with your results.MMThere is a tv - and there is a BV.
Same to you!
For my part, I would like to have it for my V1 - even if I had to pay a fee for it
Interestingly all the same channels on NetRadio on a BV are also available on the AppleTV under radio.
I wonder if they stream from different locations because the B&O is not that great, whereas I have no issues when i use the Apple TV one. If it is readily available , and i'm talking other manufacturers too who knows.
As the customer I don't really care, I just want it to work lol.