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Raeuber:Something goes wrong here with B&O....
StUrrock:Again it seems a lack of vision from the developers of these products if I have a beosound 5 now gotta change my streaming service and spend an entire afternoon converting my lossless collection
Millemissen put a link to a beautiful TV documentary about B&O a couple of days ago in the thread "B&O on danish television-part9". The factory admits that they did not pay a lot of attention to the input, the output is of greater concern. How it finally sounds!
"Believe nothing you read and only half of what you see, let your ears tell you the truth."
The 'double-tab info' was shared here several times - first time long ago!
In your case I would be more concerned about the qualitiy of the dealer, than of the actual product.
Some of the dealers seem completely unprepared for demonstrating the Moment.
Tell him to - at least - watch the Moment videos on Youtube.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Chris: Millemissen put a link to a beautiful TV documentary about B&O a couple of days ago in the thread "B&O on danish television-part9". The factory admits that they did not pay a lot of attention to the input, the output is of greater concern. How it finally sounds!
could you please tell me where this was said/in which context?
Millemissen:Tell him to - at least - watch the Moment videos on Youtube.
Puncher: It was a serious omission on the BS5 and it is a serious omission here too, the lesson should have been learned from the BS5, enough complained about it!
It was a serious omission on the BS5 and it is a serious omission here too, the lesson should have been learned from the BS5, enough complained about it!
The BM/BS5 is (was) a 'MOTS-machine' - which is perfect for those, who like 'MOTS'.
To others it is a disaster.
I have met quite a few, who just used the BS5 as their 'Radio'!
But it sure looks pretty on the wall.
B&O has focused on convenience since the days of the BS9000 - pop in 6 CD's, push 'Random' and enjoy the music
Nothing new there!
Millemissen: Puncher: It was a serious omission on the BS5 and it is a serious omission here too, the lesson should have been learned from the BS5, enough complained about it! The BM/BS5 is (was) a 'MOTS-machine' - which is perfect for those, who like 'MOTS'. To others it is a disaster. I have met quite a few, who just used the BS5 as their 'Radio'! But it sure looks pretty on the wall. B&O has focused on convenience since the days of the BS9000 - pop in 6 CD's, push 'Random' and enjoy the music Nothing new there! MM
Nonsense! The BS9000 only had to deal with 6 CD's rather than the potential thousands of tracks possible with the BS5 and the Moment - there is no sensible comparison.
You may also want to check the relative success of the BS5 versus the BS9000 before suggesting it is any way a suitable heir to the throne.
Ban boring signatures!
Millemissen: could you please tell me where this was said/in which context? MM
It was said somewhere in the middle of the doc, when they were watching a tv that was playing. in that scene and chamber there where more tv's on the wall. Have to view it in the minute counter again. It was a comment made on their tv's but I presume it will definitely also counts to their audio equipment (in this case I refer to that terrible closed wma format and software).
Edit: It was Mr Vervaart (senior manager) at 14min. into the doc. Who mentioned that functionality is not as important as picture quality.
And that is just the opposite of what Mr. Martin is doing: Sound is indeed of the same importance as picture is, it all makes part of the experience and should not be less… So is the user interface. Easy of use is also a component of the viewer experience!
Millemissen:Some of the dealers seem completely unprepared for demonstrating the Moment.
My dealer & technician is still waiting for the B&O training of the new Moment. B&O really needs a better coordination between the sales and training compartment.
Puncher: Millemissen: Puncher: It was a serious omission on the BS5 and it is a serious omission here too, the lesson should have been learned from the BS5, enough complained about it! The BM/BS5 is (was) a 'MOTS-machine' - which is perfect for those, who like 'MOTS'. To others it is a disaster. I have met quite a few, who just used the BS5 as their 'Radio'! But it sure looks pretty on the wall. B&O has focused on convenience since the days of the BS9000 - pop in 6 CD's, push 'Random' and enjoy the music Nothing new there! MM Nonsense! The BS9000 only had to deal with 6 CD's rather than the potential thousands of tracks possible with the BS5 and the Moment - there is no sensible comparison. You may also want to check the relative success of the BS5 versus the BS9000 before suggesting it is any way a suitable heir to the throne.
Absolutely true. And you could easily see the discs to tell what was loaded and rapidly were able to select which track or disc to get to. B&O has unfortunately not managed to adapt to the modern digital age well, they seem to be totally focused on people who passively consume whatever music floats by and not people who take a more active interest in selecting their tunes. Ideally they should do both, but in point of fact I don't know of any perfect streaming/PC based type music system. Regardless B&O could do better, and it seems that this whole brouhaha brings to the forefront one of their admitted serious lack of ability in software development. Design, great, sonics, great, user interfaces, better than some but still problematic for digital sources and large music collections. General s/w maturity at launch, and such, awful.
Edited to add...more and more as I read about the Moment, it seems painfully obvious that this product, and to be honest the Avant as well, were rushed into production and distribution long before they were mature enough. Especially the Moment. Given the financial conditions at B&O I can understand the urgency, but when you're sitting with one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel putting major products out that are buggy and have issues can grease that banana peel.
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
To be fair, with the correct ripping of the WMA lossless files with the correct nonclementure/taxonomy, the BM/BS5 is a breeze to use and most of the search formats i.e. Cover, Artist and Album are slick and only limited to the speed you can turn the wheel, your hard drive/MB can display the info with the use of the lever and wheel.
Sure, there are probably more efficient ways (keyboard/touch) but that is the BS5. I can search 400-450 albums and nail it (A to Z) within 0 to 4 seconds max AND either listen to an album or MOTS. Part of the fun.
However, the Moment does not have these basic features (as yet) and one is limited to either searching on your own storage or as it seams to me, be a random song generator via Deezer. It seriously needs more functionality ASAP before B&O even consider multi-room or other advanced features. Basics first.
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I can follow herein, software is awfull.
It started with those 4 coloured buttons on the BS3200 and goes on and on with the BS5 and now the Moment. Don't talk about the menu on their V1, BV11.... POORLY
BeoBoy68:Completely agree.... Tue Mantoni and his staff OUT !!
I was at my dealer's place this afternoon and had a second view/experience with the Moment.
There is something growing.
I've been told that a software update is on its way concerning the search function. It has been expanded to enter the first 3 characters instead of just 1.
That must be a improvement. Results are shown instantly. So finding your preferred artist or album should take less time.
The same dealer mentioned that he has already asked to an an extra highlight function when you choose a song from a playlist or album.
I've also been told that softwareupdates will be released every week. So not somewhere during the summer, as I (mis)understood from another thread.
I also misunderstood the meaning about multiroomsupport.
Multiroomsupport is about having more than 1 avant or BV11 etc in a setup where all tv's are featured with a Deezer app.
Multiroom in a form like the present ML version can be used already. You only need to have a audiomaster in the room, like a BS9000, BS5 or BS3000.
This audiomaster is needed because the NL/ML converter can't act as one at this moment. A softwareupdate will be released for NL/ML converter so it can act as an needed audiomaster for ML linkcompatibility.
Another thing about the Beo App for controlling the Moment. It is possible to have the app on several devices simultaniously. The last used one just overrules the former one. That works for controlling as wel for streaming your own music on your Phone or tablet. Streaming music from your own Phone or from a friend who enters the room to your Moment is possible.
Beobuddy:That's one of the big advantages of the Moment. Playing streaming music without any dropouts or having the feeling that it could happen. The problem I have is the "I "in the sentence. "I"referres almost automatically to any iDevice. What happens if your not alone in the room and another person wants to skip forward? You have to hand over your iDevice. That's why I prefer a stand-alone device which can be controlled by anyone in the room. That's another one ot the advantages of having a devoted audio-tablet.
BeoNut since '75
Millemissen:But it sure looks pretty on the wall. B&O has focused on convenience since the days of the BS9000 - pop in 6 CD's, push 'Random' and enjoy the music MM
Bv7Mk3:I Believe that those nice Bracket Makers STP brackets will be doing a wall mount for the Momment!
Hiort:I think there are a lot of good points in this thread, and there sure are areas for improvement. But its mostly up to software, so it will improve I´m sure. I now lived with and used Moment for a week now, and I must give credit to B&O that they got at least the "simplicity" right. It´s much easier now if I want to play the music I love, and setup was very smooth including integration to my BV11. _______________________ Before press "LIST" until A.AUX appear. "GO". Get iDevice. Start Spotify/Deezer. Choose playlist. Find "Playmaker" over Airplay. Play. About the same as above for accessing my iTunes library, but using the Remote App. Sound very good but dropouts occurred. Do not use the iDevice Now: I just press one button on the Moment, or press the assigned key on my Beo4 (in my case CD). Sound very good and no dropouts I can use my iDevice ________________________ It´s when it comes to how the artists / Albums are presented and search functions on the Jukebox, it becomes evident there are areas for improvement (I´ve sent a long list to Beocare (see the other Moment thread). But its okay to do search on Beomusic app, and put a selected song in a play-cue, if I want to listen to a specific song. /C Happy owner of: BV11 46", NL/ML Converter, 2 x Beocom 2, Beocom 6000, Beosound Moment, Beolab 3, Beolab 2000, Beo4, Beolab 11, Playmaker, Beolab 3500, 2 x Beolit 12
lonfred:"Now: I just press one button on the Moment, or press the assigned key on my Beo4 (in my case CD). Sound very good and no dropouts" I will buy one BS Moment directly when this function start to work from my ML link system. Then ofcourse full integration with beolink app would also be fantastic!
lonfred:"Now: I just press one button on the Moment, or press the assigned key on my Beo4 (in my case CD).
I found the Moment to be incredibly slow..
I swiped the screen as I was shown, nothing happened. Did it again, nothing happened. Waited, then did it again and it did the three commands at once!
In the 'Mood' section, I touched a colour and a song name displayed. I touched the screen where the song name was, expecting to hear music. Instead, a different song name was displayed. Very confusing!
My favourite part was the wood. It felt nice to the touch, and seemed to respond well. All-in-all though, it felt too heavy and thick like an iPad 1.
It needs a lot of work
x:________________________
Hi Jon,
I also found the moment to be slow and i found the forward swipe going the wrong way.
It changed the song each like 20 seconds or so and its weird.
Loved the wood and it looked great.
I was ready to buy too!
Jonathan:I was ready to buy too! x:________________________
That's one reason, but also if you have an older TV you don't have the benefits of the Avant re music
Aussie Michael: Some people have their moments integrated with their televisions but I suppose this is so that any speakers connected to the television can be played via the moment?
Some people have their moments integrated with their televisions but I suppose this is so that any speakers connected to the television can be played via the moment?
You probably know, that the Moment appears as 5 new sources on the NL-BV, when this is used as output.
Like with any other source you can choose a default Speaker Group per source. And you can change it manually along the way - if you have more groups available.
Just asked Beocare following question.
Why are my iTunes playlists not on the Moment, in the webpage of Twonky 7.2.7 they are all showing up correctly.
Some of the iTunes playlist are showing up in the BeoMusic app, but there are songs who are not belonging into the list.
Made a M3U playlist by hand and placed this in the root Music directory, its showing up in Twonky's webpage, in the BeoMusic app again with some different songs integrated.
Sometimes I can see more then 20 songs in the playlist of BeoMusic, sometimes not...