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I was just thinking why B&O guys don't go back to their roots to create a new system!
I can imagine a Beocenter 2 as Blueray or 4K player,with NL, Internet Radio, MOTS and DLNA can be a perfect solution for B&O.
An external touch screen to control the system if they want to avoid 3. party portable devices!
Just imagine, old school design with wow efect, master audio system as well as video source.
Wouldn't you buy one? If not, what would be your dream combination (design+technology)?
Have a great Sunday :)
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And what price do you think this item should/could cost?
That is an important factor.
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Interesting thought.
I would like if B&O made a new Beosound/Beocenter as an audio/video master with a built-in blu-ray player. A lot of people are still watching movies on Blu-ray, simply because it is hard to find the same quality on streaming services. If you find a site with good picture quality, then maybe there's no surround sound, etc. And some would like to have the possibility to rip their cd's easily to their NAS, or whatever - without using third party devices. And to put on a cd now and then.
A multimedia center like this one from Loewe:
I would buy it, if the price was right. Something like the BC 9500/9300 back then. It should be possible now when they are manufacturing in a low cost country like the Czech rep.
I would say 3000-3500 Euro for me an acceptable price for this system. Cheaper B&O can't and won't do something like this...
BeoGreg, I understand your point but I'm just trying to find out a "cost optimized" solution for B&O and perfect result for us and for the new customers.
This system with Avant or BV11 gives you :
NL (I would offer converter free of charge if a customer buys let's say new BC2 and TV together)
Smart TV (Spotify, Deezer etc.) and VOD via BV11
Blue Ray (Technology of BV7) or even 4K Upscaling
Master Audio Unit for CD collection (Technology of BC2) or FLAC/ALAC with PL/RJ45 (if it is wished wireless) (Technology of Avant)
DLNA and additionally MOTS (Technology of BS5)
Internet Radio which BV11 doesn't have (Technology of BS5)
Beoone Remote for perfect control...
Touchscreen on BC2 to use the system efficiently and as a single unit!
Whatelse you need as a revolution? And it is low cost (lower cost than to invest completely new system) soltuion for B&O.
And I don't know any single person who does not like BC2 design and functionality :)
I say no too, as what we need is a good new design. Would be great with something that could handle both video and audio, but even audio would do as long as it comes in a nice package.
The BS5 was a looker when it came out, and still is. I love the design. The radio part is pretty good in it, but trying to find a certain artist/album/tune in a 10.000+ song music library is a pain in the neck beyond comprehension. I've been happy with my BS5, but on thursday I had a small audition of my Beolab 5's for some friends, and searching music took up more than half of the hour we where listening. :(
Sure the MLGW would make things easier, but I'm not so sure I want to invest in one. I'll probably end up re-connecting my Mac Mini to the SPDIF and hang on to the BS5 as my source for internet radio.
Would be refreshing to see something like the BS5, but not the awful face of the Moment.
Too long to list....
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Chris Townsend:..... I now do exactly that on my IPhone etc
You almost do it!
The fact is, that you have two systems - one (the iPad) for choosing the content, and one (the B&O-setup) for the playback.
You will always have to choose, what you want to hear, and then activate a source/an input-port - for what you want to hear/see - with the (Beo4) remote.
The beauty of a B&O system is, that you only need to choose the content - and the system does all, that is needed (turning on the right input, speakers etc).
This is how it has always worked (e.g. with the BS5), and this is how the BS Moment (whether you like the overall of it or not) does it's thing.
This is what a B&O costumer should want ---- not having to fiddle with two (or more) systems to get things going!
Please notice - I do as you do, but I don't find it to be the ideal way!
The fact is, that there (apart from the BS5 and the Moment) is no audiosystem, that handles digital content this way.
N.B. There are two exceptions:
1 - the B&O systems that supports 'Spotify Connect' - nice, but no overall B&O solution.
2 - the DLNA MediaPlayer of the newer BV's - nice, but that only works with a tv in the setup.
Edit: a third exception comes into my mind:
The Playmaker and the Essence - both can be activated from choosing the content within an app.
The Essence has the advantage, that you can use a B&O app (BeoMusic) with it. If you wanted to, you could even make a dedicated iPad (Mini) for controlling it.
But - alas - there is no possibility for multiroom, neither analog (ML) nor digital (NL) with these two systems.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Millemissen: Chris Townsend:..... I now do exactly that on my IPhone etc You almost do it! The fact is, that you have two systems - one (the iPad) for choosing the content, and one (the B&O-setup) for the playback. You will always have to choose, what you want to hear, and then activate a source/an input-port - for what you want to hear/see - with the (Beo4) remote. The beauty of a B&O system is, that you only need to choose the content - and the system does all, that is needed (turning on the right input, speakers etc). This is how it has always worked (e.g. with the BS5), and this is how the BS Moment (whether you like the overall of it or not) does it's thing. This is what a B&O costumer should want ---- not having to fiddle with two (or more) systems to get things going! Please notice - I do as you do, but I don't find it to be the ideal way! The fact is, that there (apart from the BS5 and the Moment) is no audiosystem, that handles digital content this way. N.B. There are two exceptions: 1 - the B&O systems that supports 'Spotify Connect' - nice, but no overall B&O solution. 2 - the DLNA MediaPlayer of the newer BV's - nice, but that only works with a tv in the setup. MM
Utter tosh!
I agree with Chris - when the BS5 came out I complained bitterly that the head unit was tethered with cables to the BM5 and how it would cripple the success of the product but was met with all the same crowd telling me the technical difficulties of making it wireless, how it couldn't have enough bandwidth to smoothly display coverart etc.
Now, with a 4 year old phone, I can stream and watch HD content to the phone, I can redirect the stream to my TV or else I can pass content via my phone to my TV (or other).
We need to stop making excuses and burying our heads in the sand, the products we are discussing are not at the forefront of design or possibility, the company is desperately playing catchup and needs to hit one out of the park shortly before they rattle through the 150 million they just got!
Ban boring signatures!
Yes, I would buy one. But it has to have an actually usable interface and not those stupid Beosound Moment or Beocenter 2 "Go Go for Play" thingy! :-)There are many people that love all-in-one-systems so there would be a chance for B&O, too.
@Puncher
If you are content with having to control two systems - the iDevice and the B&O remote - be happy with that.
It's not my understanding of simplicity.
Millemissen: @Puncher If you are content with having to control two systems - the iDevice and the B&O remote - be happy with that. It's not my understanding of simplicity. MM
No one is talking about two remotes!, a single, non-B&O, remote (phone or otherwise) can shuffle audio, HD video from anywhere to anywhere, anytime, even using generic downloaded apps.
B&O are releasing purpose designed hardware with custom software that can't even match what you can do for free! - this from a company that had the analogue media distribution sewn up! They've missed the bus, and are struggling to offer a meaningful product that matches today's expectations - the Moment is (to many if not most) a poor hardware design that still hasn't met the basic requirements of audio media management and control.
To even pretend otherwise is delusional.
With the cash influx there is probably still time to get it right but they can't have many chances left!
Puncher:We need to stop making excuses and burying our heads in the sand, the products we are discussing are not at the forefront of design or possibility,...
You're not into the design of the Moment, I presume. Or you did find the Moment has to much shortcomings. Go ahead, please give me an example of the right product we need, or how you would like to see it.
I searched and viewed any brand for the perfect, good sounding, good picture solution, but the only solution who gives me all possibilities is a Mac Mini connected to my TV and/or HiFi. This solution is ok for me, handy enough as I am. But its a no for the rest of my family, way to complicated for them.
Don't come with a tablet, this thing is only useful and satisfactory when it is always connected to the mains.
"Believe nothing you read and only half of what you see, let your ears tell you the truth."
Chris:I searched and viewed any brand for the perfect, good sounding, good picture solution, but the only solution who gives me all possibilities is a Mac Mini connected to my TV and/or HiFi. This solution is ok for me, handy enough as I am. But its a no for the rest of my family, way to complicated for them.
Puncher:And that is exactly my point, solutions exist for what is required, all that is needed is a universal controller that makes sense of and simplifies all of the available options - a modern day MCP if you will,........which is all I've ever asked for since the release of the BS5!
As said, there is simply no brand who is capable to match this request, for now! And if it, for sure, will be available once, B&O will definitely not be the first to bring it on market. They are no inventors, they just implicate and refine existing technology into a good looking case.
Until that day, I enjoy their now build goods. Because it seems to be the most satisfactory solution for our whole family, even grandma!
I'm sorry but I disagree - I think they are capable of defining what is required and I actually think they are capable of building it!! They have a recent history of not meeting the software needed.
I suspect that what has happened is that things have been rushed in an effort to get to where they need to be, imho there has been more than enough time between the bs5 and the Moment, nevertheless the moment seems rushed, under designed and underdeveloped.
They should regroup and design a real b&O product solution - they still have time.
Chris Townsend:The morale of all these views is that we need a night with Tue. I'll pay my way, and just ask for a few hours of his time.
Would he listen? CEO's are mostly living in another dimension, busy with shareholders and profits. it's an idea, you pick me up at EBOS?
The morale of all these views is that everyone has an opinion and personal preference.
I don't care about optical output on Beosound Moment. Many people do. I do care for 802.11n. Most of current Moment owners don't.
NB: Loewe's system is a bit tacky compared designwise against Moment. Looks like something for Samsung customers.
Chris:Would he listen? CEO's are mostly living in another dimension, busy with shareholders and profits. it's an idea, you pick me up at EBOS? " Believe nothing you read and only half of what you see, let your ears tell you the truth. "
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Why don't we try to get an appointment? I'm serious!
I'm sure that a meeting (brainstorming) like this will helpful for all B&O staff and fans.
See you in Struer, guys
When?
I'm sure that quality guys like Tue and his team have many ideas with the direction of B&O. What they don't need are people suggesting Blu Ray players in systems. That's a quick way to bankruptcy.
BeoWorld isn't the place for Tues future demographics and future customers. If anyone knows that B&O needs, it's Tue. I'm sure he's met practically every kind of future customer on his world travels over the past four years. This forum is so old skool that it would literally kill B&O in a matter of weeks in the real world! Sorry but the arrogance here by some is pitiful.
This forum is old skool this can be correct but most of us are reliable customers for B&O.
Is your kind the future customer of B&O? I don't think so.
By the way, which B&O products you own? What did you do for B&O apart from filling this forum with Apple words?
I propose Beoworld Forum allocates number of characters to post per month based on verified KUSD from invoices for B&O products collected in last 20 years.
Apart from that, Paul W is right. What makes you guys think you are the future target group of B&O? LOL
Paul W:this forum is so old skool that it would literally kill B&O in a matter of weeks in the real world! Sorry but the arrogance here by some is pitiful.
AnalogPlanet:. Apart from that, Paul W is right. What makes you guys think you are the future target group of B&O? LOL
Well there's no "right" product for all target groups, otherwise targeting in marketing theory wouldn't exist at all.
But I do hope, as we all do I believe, for a B&O product that is so innovative and "wow" that everyone wants to have one even if they don't need it.
Currently, I love Beosound Moment as a concept. <3
AnalogPlanet:. Currently, I love Beosound Moment as a concept.
lonfred:If BO had updated some of their classic design master pieces with new up to date technology instead of designing new products with outdated technology I am almost sure that it has been a winning concept.
BeoNut since '75
Chris Townsend:I said a few years ago that a Beosound 5 with a touch screen, that could also handle films would be fantastic. I was shot down with the usual "can't be done" technically guff. I now do exactly that on my IPhone etc
AnalogPlanet:I propose Beoworld Forum allocates number of characters to post per month based on verified KUSD from invoices for B&O products collected in last 20 years.
elephant:http://watchaware.com/post/8304/original-reactions-2007-iphone-announcement
Thanks for this very good link.
The one quote still stands is the battery life, thats why I keep saying that any streaming doing from tablets is rubbish. Except from the fact that you need to open some or more programs in order to get an experience, you just miss the comfort of having always enough energy.
There are some very successful companies which sticks their classic design lines. Porsche with 911, Rolex with Submariner or GMT, Zippo, Harley Davidson, B&O with Beo4 (already 20 years) etc.
Now just think what happend to Porsche after they released their 996! Nobody liked it and still nobody wants to have. Those days 996 was technically the best Porsche ever been build. Even this technical advantage did not help to the model because it was out of Porsche design chracter. Opposite side called Rolex. They sell the same Sporty design more than 50 years.
B&O can try the same!
As always double post. Sorry :(
A car is a car!
It has four wheels, some seats, a stearing wheel, light etc....
Audio-gear design is different - the change from physical media to invisible/online/streaming etc media calls for a new kind of design.