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Hi,
I've been offered a pretty good deal by my local dealership to trade in my existing Beovision 8-40 and get the V1. Apparently the screen and sound is much better but I'm just concerned I'm going to lose a lot of the "basiness" I get from the current speaker bar.
Anyone have any experience with the new TV? Advice would be much appreciated!
Many Thanks!
mdwolman: Hi, I've been offered a pretty good deal by my local dealership to trade in my existing Beovision 8-40 and get the V1. Apparently the screen and sound is much better but I'm just concerned I'm going to lose a lot of the "basiness" I get from the current speaker bar. Anyone have any experience with the new TV? Advice would be much appreciated! Many Thanks!
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an interesting offer - which country do you hail from ?
can you test yourself by listening at the dealer's showroom ?
after all it is your ears that will need to live with the decision !
the listening I have done so far is too superficial for form a sound (lol) judgement
I will say the screen is much better
the device attachment options are I think less
but the software capabilities much more
BeoNut since '75
Hi, I'm from the UK. The sound and screen looked fantastic, and I like how the apple tv can be tucked away, and the fact that I would need to spend £400 anyway to expand my HDMI capability!
Hi Mdwolman, I'd ask the dealer for a weekend test drive! Can you borrow one for a couple of nights to really evaluate the sound?
Sound much better?? I don't think so
mdwolman: and the fact that I would need to spend £400 anyway to expand my HDMI capability!
and the fact that I would need to spend £400 anyway to expand my HDMI capability!
BV8 has 3 HDMIs minus one inter ally and the V1 has 4 (I think)
From the spec page, "5 x HDMI free configurable".
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BV 11-46 / Beoplay V1 -40 / Apple TV 1+3 / Beosound Essence MK2 / BL3 / 2* BL11 / BL 6000 / BL 12-1 / BL 2000 / 3 * Beo4 /BL Converter 1611
Ok I'm having a trial this weekend from my dealer so I guess that'll help me make my decision! The only thing I'm really concerned about after reading the forum/other reviews is the lack of bass compared to the 8-40.
Will let you know how it goes!
Right. So the dealer came over this morning to install the TV, and some BL 4000's I'm trialling with it.
My initial thoughts are that whilst I think this is a step in the right direction for B & O, I don't think they completely nailed it this time. What I love about the BV8 is that it looks like it was sculpted rather than manufactured, and looks as good off as it does on. The V1 could have come out of any Samsung or Sony factory as far as looks go. This is obviously just my opinion, and it could be that I need a couple of days to get used to it. I love the multitude of HDMI slots and the place for my Apple TV, but I'm just not that blown away. I'll give it some time but I don't think I'm going to change my mind.
Now to the BL 4000's. I'm actually quite upset that I haven't owned a pair until now. These speakers are fantastic. I've tested it with the best parts of my music collection and watching the initial car chase scene in quantum of solace, and even my wife (who was against getting the speakers) was completely blown away. It's a realistic sound that I have never heard from the likes of Bose. I think I'm about to start growing my B &O collection as of today.
In summary - not that impressed by the V1, LOVE the 4000's!
Interesting one - the BV8 had as many haters as admirers. It never grew on me from the minute I saw it. For me that lip was so very very wrong - it reminded me of a BUSH record player that I had as a kid!
I love the design of the V1 so I guess it really is personal taste in this matter.
But hey, this is what art is about - debate :)
mdwolman: LOVE the 4000's!
Great speakers, I agree ... but get the dealer to loan you a pair of BeoLab 3s just as an additional test to see how your wife likes the treble from the acoustic lenses ... also get a loan of a BeoLab 11 at the same time ... you will then have a home for your money
Great conclusion : instead of replacing a 3 year old tv, improve your speaker system!!
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2 ugly sisters! Not much of a choice, especially once you have got used to the one you currently have. Get the speakers.
Having never liked the Beovision 8, and having now spent some time looking at the V1, its growing on me
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.
I definitely agree with Elephant on that one - do check out the BL3s!!!
Hi All,
Back into the B&O world after leaving it for a few years! I am looking at buying a B&O tv at the mo. The last one I had was the BV7-40 Mk 3 which was pretty good, although it took a while to get used to it and see its true potential. So, now there are all sorts of products since then which are new to me; BV -10, BV-11 to name a few, and this rather strange and very unlike (I think) B&O looking product - the BeoPlay V1! However, I am told by dealers it is the bees knees when it comes to picture quality. Is this true? The only independent review I can find for it on the net awards it 7/10, which is hardly impressive. Not seen it yet and obviously need to. Have scheduled a visit in about 2 weeks time but just thought I'd throw it out to the community in the interim period.
In essence, I am considering buying back my old 7-40 Mark 3 but with a blue ray player fitted this time, and all recent updates etc, or getting a new V1. Which way to go? Always loved the BV-8 by the way, and the 8-40 is also an option.
Best wishes,Simon.
B&O products are V1-32, BS2, H95, E8 and an Essence remote.11-46 now replaced with Sony A90J 65”, Sony HT-A9, Sony UBP-X800M2 and Sony SRS-NS7.
The sound from the Beovision 8-40 is much better then the Beovision V1
Chris Townsend:Get a pre owned 8-40, and a pair of Mk2 8000's for the same price. Better sound, and your friends won't laugh at you for shopping in Ikea.
Better sound, and your friends won't laugh at you for shopping in Ikea.
LOL love this! I know exactly what you mean though and agree! Its a very bizarre looking product design. Not B&O at all is it? Looks just like a Loewe. I guess this shows just how good a designer David Lewis was, well at least to some. What a difference in design.
koning: The sound from the Beovision 8-40 is much better then the Beovision V1
We were in the store yesterday to test drive the BL14s and I was looking at the quality of the V1 image - superior to the BV8-40, and there is far more flexibility.
So brain storm a list of MUSTS, WANTS and WISHES (looking to future) and go with an open mind about the Ikea aesthetic and explore the V1 (or its prettier more expensive cousins) in depth
Thanks Elephant, sensible advice and inline with what I have heard from dealers. Why do you suppose it has got good independent reviews though? I appreciate one persons view may vary from another but I heard the picture quality was supposed to be excellent. As for the design, I am not sure if I will be able to accept spending £2,600 on a product that looks like that, regardless of picture quality. B&O has always been about design for me; products that completely stand out and don't resemble anything else out there. Why else pay a premium?
Very informative response berlin, most helpful for me personally, thanks. I was going to choose a BV7-40 Mark 3 with Blu Ray player over the V1. What do you think about that option? I am not sure I agree that the BV7 dominates a room, I rather liked the floating appeal of it, particularly the 7-2 speaker, and the DVD player was of course the magic of B&O that we hope for with every new product. Its great that you love the V1 so much and I am sure for good reason, does it have any magic though? If so, what would you say it is?
Beonic Man, if you can pick up the BV7 at a good price and it's going to be your main TV then I'd be inclined to go that route - a much more serious TV than the V1.
I loved my 7 but it was the Mk 2 so really needed an upgrade (no proper HDMI ports and no BSys 3 chassis) - I got the BV11 as a replacement for the 7 (I'd not put the V1 in the same league, 11 vs 7 is a different debate though)
I would still think a little about Blu Ray inbuilt vs native Smart Tv platform - it's clearly the direction media consumption is going, digital distribution (and consumption) and whilst Blu Ray is still a superior option (nobody does Blu Ray quality downloads) it also limit you to the discs you have on hand. Smart TV you basically move into the on demand world. That said, the BV11 is probably double the price of the 7 you are going for and that difference buys many Apple TV's that will give you pretty much everything (and a little more perhaps) that you get with the 11's Smart Tv features.
re the V1 and magic, indeed it does have, it's a little like a hot hatch - will never be up there with the Ferraris and Lambo's but gives you just enough of a taste to make you smile fom ear to ear. One of my friends is really into exotic cars and has quite a few, but he also has this 10 year old high mileage BMW M3 in his garage which he swears is the most fun (and that's why he's kept it all these years). I sort of get this with the V1 - you probably have more fun with it than a BV11/ BV12 as you did not spend a fortune so you tend to just appreciate it for what it is - a pretty good TV - you don't feel the need to appreciate every beautifully rendered frame of the movie you are watching as a masterpiece all by itself.
Again, excellent words, thanks!
Interesting you suggest going the BV7-40 Mk 3 route as I thought you might still say the V1 given your earlier posts about how good it is. Now you have made my decision harder as I did always like the BV7 when I had it! Having said that, if I buy one again it will be a 2007 year old model so I can't help but wonder if this is a little old now? I am unsure of the service counter stats at this stage but let's assume they are average for the age of the tv. I know it has been upgraded with a multi regional blu ray player and all the software updates will be current. I believe it also has two digital tuners although I will be running off my Sky HD box anyway. What do you think would be a good price to pay for this? Would you buy a tv of this age or remain current with a V1? Which displays the better picture - the BeoSystem 3 HD picture on the Mk 3 7-40 or the more current video engine in the V1? I already know the asking price of the 7-40 of course but I am interested to see what you would pay? BeoPlay V1, BeoVision 8 and older TVs are options, as is a very old Mark 1 BeoVision 5 which I still love all these years later! I am quite sure that would be a disastrous option though - a 2002 plasma screen without DVD and without HD capabilities, can you imagine! Still, aesthetically speaking, I still find it the most pleasing product and the one that would suit my property perfectly!
By the way, don't know if you are aware but the 7-40 model is now discontinued as of last week. Not sure if this makes it a worse decision to consider one now at this stage as I can see them being drastically reduced in price and of course parts will no longer be available after several years. This might change your original opinion regarding this model... or perhaps not?
Cheers,Simon.
I would definitely NOT go for the BV7 - unless you are doing it 'for the optics of it'.
It is stuffed with old obsolete technology!
If you want something new and - as berlin2010 describes - surprising, go for the V1.
Every time I have heard it, it sounded good, and has great possibilities for sound adjustments.
If you are willing to wait, keep the 8-40 (I really like mine), and put your money into new/more speakers.
You can get the BL4000's at a good price - the BL3's were a better choice though.
And - depending on your budget - save your money for the surely coming new tv's - they might even suit you better than the V1.
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A question that is hardly mentioned above: Are you now depending on the MasterLink functionallity?
If yes, this might be a reason to wait a little longer kicking off your BV8.
If not, that is another good reason to go for the new NL based tv's - and definetely not invest in a BV7-hoeweverMK.
Greetings MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
The_Beonic_Man: Chris Townsend:Get a pre owned 8-40, and a pair of Mk2 8000's for the same price. Better sound, and your friends won't laugh at you for shopping in Ikea. LOL love this! I know exactly what you mean though and agree! Its a very bizarre looking product design. Not B&O at all is it? Looks just like a Loewe. I guess this shows just how good a designer David Lewis was, well at least to some. What a difference in design.
How are you to judge what is "B&O or not"?
Do you have an authourity, that I am not aware of!
It may be your choice to dislike the V1, but it is certainly not a 'god given judgement'.
Grrr! MM
I'm not a fan of either TV.
The V1 is IMHO too industrial, it's not B&O.
Too long to list....
Millemissen:How are you to judge what is "B&O or not"? Do you have an authourity, that I am not aware of! It may be your choice to dislike the V1, but it is certainly not a 'god given judgement'. Grrr! MM
What Bang & Olufsen make is B&O!
You like it or you don't.
You buy it or you don't.
It is as easy as that!
Greetings Millemissen
"... then I suggest you just ignore my posts."
With your 'opinion' on what is B&O or not, you influence the one who asked the original question.
Leave it up to him to judge for himself - tell him the pros and cons as you see them - but spare us your 'english god given rights' to turn your taste into pure facts.
That is why I have 'an obligation' not to ignore your posts - and 'the right' to express it
Sincerely yours MM
Hi Guys...
Let's not get hung up on what is B&O or what isn't too much as I certainly don't want to see a friendly forum turn against itself when we all share the same passion. Having said that, let me explain what the magic of B&O means to me, just to be clear...
For me, B&O has always represented some kind of 'magical touch' on many of the products, usually always from a design point of view, and that design rarely resembled anything else on the market before or since. The BV7 for example had the DVD drive. The magic was in the way the mechanism worked and how it hid and moved in and out from underneath the screen etc.
The early Beo 7000 remote had a wonderful magical touch of rising up towards you when you placed it on a flat surface, which was nothing short of amazing for the time!
BeoSound 2300/2500/3000 had the sliding glass doors, BeoSound 9000 with the wonderful (very fast and groundbreaking) mechanical movements between the CDs and the wings on the latter and current BeoSound product. All magical touches to me, and there are other products I could mention.
These magical touches made me feel excited! I would smile uncontrollably and almost feel and want to behave like a teenager, even at the age of mid 40s! Like a child finding it hard to go to sleep on Christmas Eve, wondering what they'll find in their Christmas stocking the next day, or what Santa has brought them - its these kind of evoked feelings I am talking about.
So, when I look at the V1 (only on pictures online as yet to see in person - dealer visit scheduled soon) I do not visibly see any magical touch. To my eyes, it does look like an Ikea made product (a good example that someone suggested) which means it looks similar to thousands of products with those type of design specs/lines etc. It also looks exactly like a Loewe tv and in fact when I fist saw it I assumed it was a Loewe and I was looking at the wrong page. That it was I mean by no B&O magic. The V1 is not alone in the current product line up missing magical touches and in my opinion it has been several years since something magical appeared and that is why I left the brand for a while.
I don't doubt picture quality is good on the V1 and I never expect sound quality to be anything less than perfect with B&O since that is their speciality in my opinion. However, I cannot justify spending premium amounts of money on products that don't excite me, so perhaps I'll wait a little longer to see if something comes out that does. I do think there is a market for the V1, of course, but at close to £3,000 I think a 10-40 is at the moment sounding like the better option to me as the last poster suggested. Although, this might represents a problem as I never particularly liked the design of that either! The BV5 and BV9... YES, as they look like more solid builds, as do the BV7s, and that's what I like.
Anyway, so hard to choose and much to weigh up. Lots of debate going on here, lots of questions I am asking myself and this healthy discussion is great with all its angles in helping me build a clearer picture... literally!
I think we all do like different things and that's how it should be, and its great that people love what they have, that's the main thing. For me I am just trying to determine if I am better to spend around £3,000 on a V1, a used Mk 3 BV7-40, an 8-40 or pay a little more and get something else, but then I didn't want to spend too much this time round! That's what I did last time, then sold it all 2 years later!!! So want to learn from past mistakes!!! I think I get bored easily :)
Enjoy the day,Simon.
And do you think this still represents a good deal Chris? I think its only a Panasonic D9 panel from memory, which is very old! I don't believe they could upgrade any further with that avant type chassis.
That's what I already have, and have been doing for the last few years! I bought a new BV7-40 Mk 3 in 2007, along with BS9000, speakers, phones etc, then sold it all in 2009, then got an Avant DVD RF32 (current) and am now thinking about building B&O back up again, but like I say, not really getting excited about anything! LOL. What a journey!
Where did mdwolman go?
He posted the original question!
Probably he disapeared because of all the 'facts' and 'opinions'.