4K and the Avant

Hi

I was wondering has anyone got 4K to work on their Avant?

I'm trying and I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong so all feedback graciously received ;-)

The dealer told me there was a software update to the avant which meant that all HDMIs are able to play 4K

Also does anyone know what MK each of he recent avants are?

Regards

Michael

Hi Michael,

HDMI 1 thru 5 all support 4k/UHD, HDMI 6 does not.

But - only HDMI 1 supports HDCP 2.2 which is needed for some sources such as Netflix 4k.

What are you trying to connect?

Martin.

I'm trying to connect my Toshiba BluRay player and a 4K blu Ray disk I purchased

Then I also tried my 13 inch MacBook Pro retina from late 2013

Crisis averted.

I now realise that my blu Ray player is not a 4K player. It's a player with 4K up scaling.

Hmmm lol

How can I play a file I download on to my Mac? Do I put that on a USB stick and then try to play a 4K file that way?

If you have a MacBook Pro 13" older than 2015 it won't output 4K. For that you need a MacBook Pro 15" with the extra GPU. But all 2015 models and later can output 4K (not the MacBook Pro 13" with optical drive that is still sold, it is from 2012).  And over HDMI you will still only get 30 or 24 hz from a MacBook Pro.

Aussie Michael:

How can I play a file I download on to my Mac? Do I put that on a USB stick and then try to play a 4K file that way?

Unfortunately, with the current Avant, this won't work, as the Avant lacks HEVC and VP9 codecs/decoders (and hardware) needed for playing a 4K video file.

On the 1st Gen Avant, the only way to watch 4K content is from an external device, such as an UHD Blu-Ray player or a set-top box with HEVC / VP9 capabilities.

Hopefully the Avant NG, due soon, will have more 4K playing capabilities built-in.

In this sense, compared to many UHD models from other manufacturers, the 1st Gen Avant is gimped.

KMA:

Hopefully the Avant NG, due soon, will have more 4K playing capabilities built-in.

I remember having big arguments with a couple of people on here, when I sold my Avant 55, with them saying "are you mad? hold on to it as 4K is coming and you'll regret selling this amazing TV", yet that was 2014, two years ago. In 2016, we're still unable to play 4K on our B&O 4K TV and the solution is....wait for the next one and take a financial hit on the existing purchase?

For me, that's simply not good enough. So glad I sold my Avant and bought a BV12-65.

moxxey:

I remember having big arguments with a couple of people on here, when I sold my Avant 55, with them saying "are you mad? hold on to it as 4K is coming and you'll regret selling this amazing TV", yet that was 2014, two years ago. In 2016, we're still unable to play 4K on our B&O 4K TV and the solution is....wait for the next one and take a financial hit on the existing purchase?

For me, that's simply not good enough. So glad I sold my Avant and bought a BV12-65.

You say we're unable to play 4K but that is of course untrue since it is most possible by external 4K boxes. Just like most people have an Apple TV or chrome cast for Netflix etc. 4K now and two years ago of course is a slightly different story but it is still true that we can playback 4K on the Avant 55/75/85s of today. Only not by the internal software.

The main problem though is the problematic ways to gain access to 4K material, Netflix has a limited assortment of 4K titles and really, most 4K media is on bluray due to the amount of data required for low quality loss, which means for now you need a optical drive and disks to play back 4K optimally.

I also like to add that watching movies on the avant is truly amazing. The picture is quite stunning and the format is excellent for me.

moxxey:

I remember having big arguments with a couple of people on here, when I sold my Avant 55, with them saying "are you mad? hold on to it as 4K is coming and you'll regret selling this amazing TV", yet that was 2014, two years ago. In 2016, we're still unable to play 4K on our B&O 4K TV and the solution is....wait for the next one and take a financial hit on the existing purchase?

For me, that's simply not good enough. So glad I sold my Avant and bought a BV12-65.

This is exactly the reason why I'm very hesitant to buy a new model BV (Mk I) immediately when it comes out. The exception was BV11 after BV10: BV11 was more of an evolution, with the video engine first available on V1 (if I recall correctly) and design familiar from BV10. The reviews didn't find any shortcomings: they even got the audio (speakers) right with BV11, compared to BV10. Oh, and BV11 Mk I was still made in Denmark. I'm still happy I bought it. Today, my Mk I lacks WISA, but it's not essential for me.

Avant felt like it was rushed to market. The Avant NG might very well be what Avant should have been in the first place.

Perhaps with the collaboration with LG, B&O can better keep up with the latest technology. We'll see. If they move away from the current video/audio engine and implement a new software platform again, it'll be one reason for me to wait and see how it is received, before upgrading to a 4K model.

I guess we'll see changes (improvements?) with Avant NG and BV14, which makes those versions more relevant.

And then, in 2017, we'll probably see something entirely new with the LG-BV OLED – after all, it will be the first BV that comes out as a result of B&O and LG's collaboration, abandoning (?) B&O's own TV technology. That'll give me some pause as to when purchase the OLED BV.

With all the new BV's coming out (Avant NG, BV14 and BV Horisont) – and knowing there'll be an entirely new kind of BV with LG in 2017, it's really hard to say what and when is the right upgrade for me. Then again, I have no rush, thanks to BV11. But I do have an itch.

Avant NG 55" with the table stand: if I were to buy an Avant, that'd be the setup – if it has the video hardware finally up-to-date to the industry standards, which have now been mostly set for 4K.

1st Gen Avant owners basically have an expensive 4K monitor, with limited inputs – but at least the audio part of the setup is okay for years to come.

TL;DR – Avant was rushed to market, as some owners have experienced and more owners will experience. It should have at least had the features other manufacturers had in their flagship TVs at the time.

Michael:

You say we're unable to play 4K but that is of course untrue since it is most possible by external 4K boxes. Just like most people have an Apple TV or chrome cast for Netflix etc. 4K now and two years ago of course is a slightly different story but it is still true that we can playback 4K on the Avant 55/75/85s of today. Only not by the internal software.

I'll add one shortcoming with the 1st Gen Avant related to this: only one HDCP 2.2 compliant input.

I doubt there'll be "one external 4K box will do it all" scenario available.

Why B&O chose to include only one "future proof" HDMI input on their 1st 4K TV is beyond me.

The current Avant works perfect with 4K. On the basis that SkyQ will be the primary source on a day to day basis for most people, not sure the above is fair. If you want 4k Netflix or Amazon there are several options for starting at £79 today - all work perfect on Avant.

The current Avant remains a good product that does everything required. 

I'm sure the next product with its HDR panel and increased number of 2.2 ports will be upside for sure, but there is no reason whatsoever to trade a current Avant for an NG.

I'll be waiting till late 2018 when the next gen LED panels are rolled-out, then we have a genuine picture quality jump worth considering and hopefully the content landscape will have cleaned itself up.

 

 

 

 

KMA:

I'll add one shortcoming with the 1st Gen Avant related to this: only one HDCP 2.2 compliant input.

 

 

I doubt there'll be "one external 4K box will do it all" scenario available.

 

 

Why B&O chose to include only one "future proof" HDMI input on their 1st 4K TV is beyond me.

 

KMA:

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That I agree with. Totally fair. Three would have been more ideal. One for Sky and one for your preferred streaming platform, one for a next gen game console (PS Neo and the XBOX update next summer)

mawheele:

I'll be waiting till late 2018 when the next gen LED panels are rolled-out, then we have a genuine picture quality jump worth considering and hopefully the content landscape will have cleaned itself up.

Just out of curiosity (and this probably belongs in its own discussion thread):

Are you waiting for / betting on microLED (mLED, µLED) to superseed OLED, and on large scale in such a relatively short time?

OLED has established itself on the market already, mLED is still an emerging technology, very much in the prototype stages.

Given that B&O will go forward with LG (OLED) for the next 5-6 years, do you think LG will abandon OLED? Or do you think B&O will abandon LG by 2018, and terminate their partnership prematurely?

I would argue that mLED is a rival technology (for example Samsung is pursuing the next-gen LED technology and has abandoned OLED) – and as a rival technology, mLED is not something LG, the OLED advocate, will turn to any time soon.

Again, I'm just curious about your view on the matter of panel tech & future BeoVisions.

About content: I fully agree.

For the 1st Gen Avant, to increase the number of HDCP 2.2 compliant inputs for external boxes, there are products such as this:

http://www.hdtvsupply.com/5x1-hdmi-switcher-hdmi-2.html

I do not know, however, how to get the PUC control of many external devices connected to a switch, which is in turn connected to only one HDMI input on the Avant, work correctly. One input, many PUCs, is that possible?

And how to get the switch to switch to the right external source with BeoRemote?

A working switch-based HDMI solution might interest current Avant owners.

KMA:

This is exactly the reason why I'm very hesitant to buy a new model BV (Mk I) immediately when it comes out. The exception was BV11 after BV10: BV11 was more of an evolution, with the video engine first available on V1 (if I recall correctly) and design familiar from BV10. The reviews didn't find any shortcomings: they even got the audio (speakers) right with BV11, compared to BV10. Oh, and BV11 Mk I was still made in Denmark. I'm still happy I bought it. Today, my Mk I lacks WISA, but it's not essential for me.

Avant felt like it was rushed to market. The Avant NG might very well be what Avant should have been in the first place.

Perhaps with the collaboration with LG, B&O can better keep up with the latest technology. We'll see. If they move away from the current video/audio engine and implement a new software platform again, it'll be one reason for me to wait and see how it is received, before upgrading to a 4K model.

I guess we'll see changes (improvements?) with Avant NG and BV14, which makes those versions more relevant.

And then, in 2017, we'll probably see something entirely new with the LG-BV OLED – after all, it will be the first BV that comes out as a result of B&O and LG's collaboration, abandoning (?) B&O's own TV technology. That'll give me some pause as to when purchase the OLED BV.

With all the new BV's coming out (Avant NG, BV14 and BV Horisont) – and knowing there'll be an entirely new kind of BV with LG in 2017, it's really hard to say what and when is the right upgrade for me. Then again, I have no rush, thanks to BV11. But I do have an itch.

Avant NG 55" with the table stand: if I were to buy an Avant, that'd be the setup – if it has the video hardware finally up-to-date to the industry standards, which have now been mostly set for 4K.

1st Gen Avant owners basically have an expensive 4K monitor, with limited inputs – but at least the audio part of the setup is okay for years to come.

TL;DR – Avant was rushed to market, as some owners have experienced and more owners will experience. It should have at least had the features other manufacturers had in their flagship TVs at the time. KMA

Current setup : BeoVision 11-46 with Apple TV, Sony BDP-S790, Mac Mini, BeoLab 11 , BeoPlay A8, pair of BeoPlay S3, Beo5, BeoRemote One . B&O product history since 1991: Ridiculously long to list in a signature.

I don't agree really. Every product is "rushed" to market. The avant doesn't differ much from

BV11 just another panel and 4K capability. That's about it.

Remember it's now two years later. Two whole years and we have not yet seen a release of the new tv. Remember avant was released early 2014. Now it's going into late 2016 so it's almost three years in.

I still love my Tv as much as then, and I like new things. Of course one can wait and that is the same for everything, what follows will simply always be better. Everything else would be strange.

And yes, just one hdcp 2.2 compliant port. Probably only due to licensing costs. B&O could open it up on the other ports as well I am sure. Well except for port 6 that has its own hdmi chip on a separate board (the one in the top back).

By the way. I was thinking of using an Altona matrix so I can put all my boxes in my server rack. If I do that then I will just need one hdmi.

Sure hdmi 4K is a problem but it's not the biggest problem in the world. I mainly enjoy hd and regular content on my screen. And it is amazing. Having 4K is fun, just because it is geeky you know

@Michael

Fair enough. Given what other manufacturers rushed to market at the time Avant was released, I guess Avant was rushed out with less 4K capabilities

Given the cost, I don't find this acceptable (lack of HEVC & VP9 & the number of HDCP 2.2 inputs). I could really not care less about licensing costs to B&O, when the TV costs as much as Avant did

HDMI matrix sounds like a viable solution to a 1st World problem we're discussing here. Still, I've always liked the "less is more" approach, also with external boxes.

At the end of the day, what really matters is what we are happy with & enjoy in life. I don't know if that's the wine talking (there's a glass of white on the table), but cheers! With the Avant, picture & sound matter most – there's no question about that.

KMA:

@Michael

Fair enough. Given what other manufacturers rushed to market at the time Avant was released, I guess Avant was rushed out with less 4K capabilities

Given the cost, I don't find this acceptable (lack of HEVC & VP9 & the number of HDCP 2.2 inputs). I could really not care less about licensing costs to B&O, when the TV costs as much as Avant did

HDMI matrix sounds like a viable solution to a 1st World problem we're discussing here. Still, I've always liked the "less is more" approach, also with external boxes.

At the end of the day, what really matters is what we are happy with & enjoy in life. I don't know if that's the wine talking (there's a glass of white on the table), but cheers! With the Avant, picture & sound matter most – there's no question about that.

I agree. I think B&O is super cheap not to include codecs for even some sound codecs like DTS HD etc. Same goes for the 4K codecs but this is probably also due to hardware limitations. Sure I would have appreciated having those things in the kit but the price difference between a BV11 and BV avant was not high and I wanted the Avant design. So 4K was more of a bonus. I have not decided yet whether I will keep mine, exchange it or sell it and buy another brand. Many choices..

I'm not sure what all the fuss is about.  While the current Avant only has one HDCP 2.2 input, one can still make the other non-HDCP 2.2 inputs work with a HDCP 2.2 source using an HDCP converter. 

 

For example, see this device: https://www.hdfury.com/shop/splitters/integral-4k60-444-600mhz/

 

And a less expensive version is also on the way: https://www.hdfury.com/shop/videoprocessors/linker-4k60-444-600mhz/

 

These devices will future proof the other non-HDCP 2.2 inputs on the current Avant.   And note not all devices one uses will require an HDCP 2.2 input, and thus not all the other non-HDCP 2.2 inputs will require these devices, just the non-HDCP 2.2 inputs for which you wish to connect a HDCP 2.2 source.  So while I wish every input on the current Avant had HDCP 2.2 inputs, at least these devices will fully address this issue. 

 

Also, it is true that with the current Avant, you wont get the benefit of HDR (which admittedly would be nice), but the current Avant was created before there was an HDR standard, and this will only be missed when viewing a limited amount of material. The lack of HDR will not make your Avant incompatible with future material.  Rather, the current Avant will still produce the amazing image is does today.  On second thought, the current Avant will likely produce and an better picture in the future due to the better mastering needed for HDR.

 

And as far as a built-in HVEC decoder goes, personally, I feel external boxes are the way to go.  I've been very happy with my Roku 4, which gives me both 4K Netflix and 4K Amazon Prime on a device that is kept up to date.  And when that box gets beat out by another media device, I'll simply switch to that.

 

So if you have a current Avant, relax and enjoy it! And if you find you need additional HDCP 2.2 inputs, consider one of the above devices.

 

Michael:

The main problem though is the problematic ways to gain access to 4K material,

Yes, precisely my point. I wasn't at all saying that it's no possible to buy external 4K boxes. Issue was (and still is), there's almost no 4K content and that 4K content is very expensive.

Michael:

I also like to add that watching movies on the avant is truly amazing. The picture is quite stunning and the format is excellent for me.

It was no more or less "amazing" than my BV12-65, I can assure you, after owning both TVs.

Actually Moxxey, for people like me who love surfing, cycling, skiing and skateboarding films / documentaries, there are plenty of 4K films to buy & stream on Vimeo. Orchard is one of the amazing distributors. Just this year, I've bought seven amazing titles priced at £12 - around £2 - £4 more than the standard 1080p offering so not expensive - in fact cheaper than full price 1080p on iTunes at £13.99. Quite how iTunes dare charge that for a download is beyond me!

So for me, there is tons of 4K content out there. LOADS on Vimeo :)

moxxey:

Michael:

The main problem though is the problematic ways to gain access to 4K material,

Yes, precisely my point. I wasn't at all saying that it's no possible to buy external 4K boxes. Issue was (and still is), there's almost no 4K content and that 4K content is very expensive.

Michael:

I also like to add that watching movies on the avant is truly amazing. The picture is quite stunning and the format is excellent for me.

It was no more or less "amazing" than my BV12-65, I can assure you, after owning both TVs.

Moxxey,

I think you are mixing two different things. You obviously prefer the BV12-65 so thats perfect for you. I do not prefer it. I can't even fit it on my wall actually. I would have to move my entire room around :-). Instead my Avant moves around with me, to each corner of the sofa, even to the kitchen table. I like that. I am sure I would have liked the BV12-65 too if I would have wanted that kind of setup. 

Paul W:

Actually Moxxey, for people like me who love surfing, cycling, skiing and skateboarding films / documentaries, there are plenty of 4K films to buy & stream on Vimeo. Orchard is one of the amazing distributors. Just this year, I've bought seven amazing titles priced at £12 - around £2 - £4 more than the standard 1080p offering so not expensive - in fact cheaper than full price 1080p on iTunes at £13.99. Quite how iTunes dare charge that for a download is beyond me!

So for me, there is tons of 4K content out there. LOADS on Vimeo :)

Just out of curiosity, what do you watch the 4K videos on? After all, to fully appreciate the 4K quality you need a pretty big screen to enjoy the content – 55" and upwards.

KMA:

Just out of curiosity, what do you watch the 4K videos on? After all, to fully appreciate the 4K quality you need a pretty big screen to enjoy the content – 55" and upwards. KMA

Current setup : BeoVision 11-46 with Apple TV, Sony BDP-S790, Mac Mini, BeoLab 11 , BeoPlay A8, pair of BeoPlay S3, Beo5, BeoRemote One . B&O product history since 1991: Ridiculously long to list in a signature.

KMA, my avant is 55" and 4K makes a big difference. Not just that the picture is crisper, the colors are so much better. Since you have four times the area to detail you can have so much better colour detailing. In a face there is a lot of reflections and colour differences for example.

The extra crisp details makes a difference even on 55" actually. Of course I might not say the same thing when I'm twenty years older :)

Michael:

KMA, my avant is 55" and 4K makes a big difference. Not just that the picture is crisper, the colors are so much better. Since you have four times the area to detail you can have so much better colour detailing. In a face there is a lot of reflections and colour differences for example.

The extra crisp details makes a difference even on 55" actually. Of course I might not say the same thing when I'm twenty years older :)

I DO see the point of 4K on a 55" screen. Especially in the typical Nordic living-room, which tend to be relatively small, and the viewing distance is often around 3 meters.

However, I've seen 40" 4K models, and while the resolution is impressive, I feel that 4K is mostly overkill on anything smaller than 55". Again, of course, that depends on how close to the TV you sit.

My viewing distance of 2.5 meters from my favorite chair might be close enough for me to benefit from a 4K screen on BV14-46, if that size will be launched.

And does extra resolution ever hurt, in any sized screens? Perhaps not. At least with mobiles, nothing seems to be enough – but that's where also VR with the display strapped to your face comes into play. Those pixels are pretty close to the eyeballs!

Also, I know that good 4K panels have other merits and attributes than just the resolution.

PS. My question to Paul W mostly relates to his preference on the size of TVs. If I recall correctly, Paul has said that anything beyong 32" is vulgar. He may refer to the size of the equipment (big TVs can be dominating). That can be solved for example with a projector, which is hidden away when not in use, yet providing a very large "screen" when necessary. Just curious as to how he enjoys the 4K content, given his stance on TV sizes.

Sky launch there 4k UHD channels in Auguest ...movies,sport ect.

KMA:

I DO see the point of 4K on a 55" screen. Especially in the typical Nordic living-room, which tend to be relatively small, and the viewing distance is often around 3 meters.

However, I've seen 40" 4K models, and while the resolution is impressive, I feel that 4K is mostly overkill on anything smaller than 55". Again, of course, that depends on how close to the TV you sit.

My viewing distance of 2.5 meters from my favorite chair might be close enough for me to benefit from a 4K screen on BV14-46, if that size will be launched.

And does extra resolution ever hurt, in any sized screens? Perhaps not. At least with mobiles, nothing seems to be enough – but that's where also VR with the display strapped to your face comes into play. Those pixels are pretty close to the eyeballs!

Also, I know that good 4K panels have other merits and attributes than just the resolution.

PS. My question to Paul W mostly relates to his preference on the size of TVs. If I recall correctly, Paul has said that anything beyong 32" is vulgar. He may refer to the size of the equipment (big TVs can be dominating). That can be solved for example with a projector, which is hidden away when not in use, yet providing a very large "screen" when necessary. Just curious as to how he enjoys the 4K content, given his stance on TV sizes. KMA

Current setup : BeoVision 11-46 with Apple TV, Sony BDP-S790, Mac Mini, BeoLab 11 , BeoPlay A8, pair of BeoPlay S3, Beo5, BeoRemote One . B&O product history since 1991: Ridiculously long to list in a signature.

Ah :). Yes well I had my tv quite far from the couch in my old apartment. Now I have a more typical Nordic apartment and probably three-four meters to the couch. But the stand can also move the tv almost a meter closer too :-).

And as you say, sure, why not the extra resolution.

I wish I had a Netflix 4K box. any suggestion on which one works best with avant (and puc integration preferably)?

KMA:

Are you waiting for / betting on microLED (mLED, µLED) to superseed OLED, and on large scale in such a relatively short time?

 

 

OLED has established itself on the market already, mLED is still an emerging technology, very much in the prototype stages.

 

 

Given that B&O will go forward with LG (OLED) for the next 5-6 years, do you think LG will abandon OLED? Or do you think B&O will abandon LG by 2018, and terminate their partnership prematurely?

Yes. OLED is a stepping stone technology. It'll go big in mobile and devices, but not in TVs. Samsung is the market leader and they took OLED out of their 2015 range as you say. LG will follow suit otherwise they'll be at a significant technology disadvantage. Also remember both these companies are big OEM providers and will also build capacity based on whats being asked of them.

Also, I honestly don't imagine after a fruitful long-term relationship with Samsung, B&O's switch to LG was about technology. I'm sure it was more commercial than anything. And frankly between these two players, they could barely go wrong.

Thats my 2 cents.

 

Beophile:

I'm not sure what all the fuss is about.  While the Avant only has one HDCP 2.2 input, one can still make the other non-HDCP 2.2 inputs work with a HDCP 2.2 source using an HDCP converter. 

 

For example, see this device: https://www.hdfury.com/shop/splitters/integral-4k60-444-600mhz/

 

And a less expensive version is also on the way: https://www.hdfury.com/shop/videoprocessors/linker-4k60-444-600mhz/

GREAT Find!!!

Beophile:

And as far as a built-in HVEC decoder goes, personally, I feel external boxes are the way to go.  I've been very happy with my Roku 4, which gives me both 4K Netflix and 4K Amazon Prime on a device that is kept up to date.  And when that box gets beat out by another media device, I'll simply switch to that.

Totally with you on that. Cant understand why anyone would hold a purchase back on an Avant for this. The content game is where we have a lack of market clarity and you want flexibility here, so better to get an external box.

Beophile:

So if you have a current Avant, relax and enjoy it! And if you find you need additional HDCP 2.2 inputs, consider one of the above device

Yeah - your good for at least another 3+ years. And as Beophile says, for the 1-2 pieces of HDR content you'll find, its really not worth worrying about.

 

But let's also be fair here about the HDR content statements: yes, 1-2 pieces today - as there were no panels available.

Now that the sales of HDR TVs is going to ramp up I assure you there is going to be a lot of wonderful HDR content to enjoy. So the point was not really missed.

mawheele:

 

Yes. OLED is a stepping stone technology. It'll go big in mobile and devices, but not in TVs. Samsung is the market leader and they took OLED out of their 2015 range as you say. LG will follow suit otherwise they'll be at a significant technology disadvantage. Also remember both these companies are big OEM providers and will also build capacity based on whats being asked of them.

 

I have no doubt that OLED is the future, and SAMSUNG is not with only because they did not manage to make OLED low cost.

In Denmark you can now buy a LG OLED B6 for about 2000£ 55" and it beats all that is on the market.

When you receive your first OLED there is no turning back, it is just so much better.

Just my view on the case

I don't mind to have an extra box as I have the clamper system. I just wanna watch some lol

Maybe when I get my next BV I will look into having a Matrix and one box.

Read that the 2017 b&0 tvs will not have any processing from b&0 it will be lg processing and software.

In all honestly as good as the blacks are on the lg oleds, i don't rate their picture processing or motion compensation.

I always liked bang-olufsens video processing so to have a b&0 product on the outside with lg guts on the inside will be a real shame.

I currently have the loewe art 4k with the new chassis and i have to say the picture quality and motion compensation is the best i have seen no blur razor sharp but natural picture, the new oled from them im sure is going to be leagues above even the lg oled tvs.

Off topic i know but all this talk of b&0 oled tvs knowing they will run on lg platform and video system doesn't sound that great to me.

Read this on flatpanelshd

markiedee:

Read that the 2017 b&0 tvs will not have any processing from b&0 it will be lg processing and software.

In all honestly as good as the blacks are on the lg oleds, i don't rate their picture processing or motion compensation.

I always liked bang-olufsens video processing so to have a b&0 product on the outside with lg guts on the inside will be a real shame.

I currently have the loewe art 4k with the new chassis and i have to say the picture quality and motion compensation is the best i have seen no blur razor sharp but natural picture, the new oled from them im sure is going to be leagues above even the lg oled tvs.

Off topic i know but all this talk of b&0 oled tvs knowing they will run on lg platform and video system doesn't sound that great to me.

Read this on flatpanelshd

Beoplay A2

Then what will happen with power link, puc, network link, mlgw home integration, superior sound hardware, vision clear technologies, matrix integration, army tank build and everything else that is B&O? Including using European factories for production.

It doesn't sound like a B&O, more like a car with B&O speakers, if even that.

So if I purchased this will it work with 4K discs?

http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/tv-audio-video/blu-ray-dvd-players/blu-ray-dvd-players/UBD-K8500/XY

Look at the Panasonic it's a much better 4k player.

Bv7Mk3:

Look at the Panasonic it's a much better 4k player.

Thanks. But it's not available here yet and I hear it's double the price of the Samsung

Read as much as you can about the Samsung as got so so reviews in mags.

Bv7Mk3:

Read as much as you can about the Samsung as got so so reviews in mags.

Maybe buying the Samsung now and sell it, when a better one arrives, would be the solution.

MM

The UBD-K8500 is a good player, not much options but OK. I have it connected to the Avant 85