BEOVISION ECLIPSE

Today I was at my B&O dealer in Houten for the Beolab 50, and he having also the Eclipse..... nice TV but it is not my TV I like the Avant model more. The biggest screen in Eclipse is 65" I have the Avant 85" so the size is already a problem for me because I wil never do a step back  in screen size.

Simply I don't like the model, but it is good that we not have all the same taste.

BTW I get my Beolab 50 on september 23 th and that wil be the end for the Beolab 5 that I have with pleasure the last 10 years.

Hey all - can anyone remember if the MK1 Avant was available with the brass cool modern option?

Also @sandyb - do you have any 4K going through your MK1 Avant?

The more I think about it the more I want to go for a MK1 Avant or the latest Mk(3?) BV11. It kinda comes down to if the 4K on the Avant is a lot better than going for the non 4K BV11. I much much much prefer the old solid software that 'feels' B&O. It all works fine with multi room, and really works well with the BLGW etc. Just a lot slicker experience and what you should get when buying a brand such as this. Not an LG telly.

Think there was a brass version Avant, finding one might not be easy though - yes, its showing in the modern section part of the B&O site.

I do have 4K in the Avant MK 1, using Netflix and Amazon Prime (Fire TV box) - it's not HDR of course, so the step up in PQ is noticeable, it can look excellent, but its nothing like the more drastic eye popping imagery you get with the newer all HDR TV's.  As everyone will tell you, its the HDR bit of new TV's that has moved things on PQ wise. 

But in the end, for me the HDR part wasn't that important, hence i went for the Avant Mk 1 (I'm into older movies, where 4K HDR isn't relevant. One day when Sky Sports is all in 4K and not so expensive, but until then....)..so i'll likely revisit getting some HDR on board in 3-5 years time. They will likely be more B&O HDR choices in a few years, and maybe even with some B&O sheen on the UI.

Anyway, it was much more important to keep the UI and functionality as it is on my 12-65 (an option no? - 4K aside, a much better TV than the Avant) - got the same UI on both TV's, couldn't be happier. A simple problem free life has its merits, and the ex-display Avant was cheaper than a new TV.

I, like you,  could have swapped my 14 for an 11. There was no great reason for going for the Avant over the 11, it was more a nod to getting something a bit more up to date, that and my brain not functioning properly. So i miss the 11 design, but the Avant is sleek enough - beware the speaker can make a bit of a noise when it pops back in - touch odd, but no deal breaker for me. And not quiet as flush to the wall as the 11, but again no biggie for me.

Mine is fed by a matrix to one HDMI input on the Avant - cant quite remember, but it might be that only one of the HDMI ports is HDMI 2.0 (i.e. 4K decoding), but i only needed one, so no big deal. The sound on the Avant is excellent.

Enough rambling from me - either 11 or Avant Mk 1, you'll be happy with.

 

Chris Hassell:

Hey all - can anyone remember if the MK1 Avant was available with the brass cool modern option?

Also @sandyb - do you have any 4K going through your MK1 Avant?

The more I think about it the more I want to go for a MK1 Avant or the latest Mk(3?) BV11. It kinda comes down to if the 4K on the Avant is a lot better than going for the non 4K BV11. I much much much prefer the old solid software that 'feels' B&O. It all works fine with multi room, and really works well with the BLGW etc. Just a lot slicker experience and what you should get when buying a brand such as this. Not an LG telly.

BV11-46, Beoplay A2, H3 ANC, Beo 4, Beoplay S8, Beosound Essence MkII

The real thing is a MK2 BV11. You get the Danish sticker, Wisa, quick panel.

Last one is the Mk4 with magnet fret (and CZ production I believe).

Mk3 is without quick panel.

If anyone should be interested - this is still the Eclipse thread - in some details of the bits and pieces of the new BV and to have an impression of the build quality, this might be worth viewing:

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRPmJ785xnMjYHt1XyBQm5JKJHm4xaWVT

Be prepared - 24 minutes long.

MM

One can dream. This has been my wish for years. Seeing the eclipse today with the horror of LGs UI design made me just sad. It is a great TV no doubt, but TVs come and go... And this does not feel like a B&O product.

I always read comments on BeoWorld with great interest... as a dealer it's good to hear what you all think of the new products and the brand in general. We are primarily a TV retailer - the brand wouldn't survive without TVs - or should I say won't survive without retailing TVs. This is of course just my personal opinion having worked within the brand for over 30 years.

In Sheffield the Eclipse has been very well received and having sold three today I feel quite confident it will do well. I agree that the price point should be lower and I have laboured this point with those that have input, as everything in life essentially revolves around perceived value... and with TVs this can be a difficult argument.

But without TV sales the brand won't be around forever and the LG panel solution seems to be the way forward in my opinion...

 

SHEFFIELD:

But without TV sales the brand won't be around forever...

TV sales drive speaker sales, and audio sales. I totally agree, and you are 100% correct with what you say.

Surely though, if B&O really valued their dealers, they'd cut the margins on TV's to the bone to help you sell lots of TVs - which would then give you a sporting chance to sell speakers and add-ons?

B&O Dealer margins are pathetic now - and buyers are conditioned to demand discounts. Giving someone the discount they may have been used to on a BeoVision leaves you with single figure (and I'm talking 3% - 8%) margins, which is totally unsustainable from a business perspective.  The only way to earn a living now is to say "sorry, list price - no discount" - and that just makes people walk away!

People don't attach the same values they did to a TV 10-20 years ago.  When the whole family sat round it to watch the big soap, it was a 'thing'. Now, when everyone has an iPad, Tablet or Phone they can watch what they like, when they want, in their room - a TV becomes irrelevant.

Trust me... if Apple, with BILLIONS of Dollars to burn, decided not to make a physical TV you know that TV's aren't really the future if you want to make a profit.

Lee

 

thats good to hear honestly.

a re-skinned LG UI (more B&O) and the broader reception would have been pretty good, as opposed to the more mixed responses seen on the forum...judging by the forum comments, i would venture to say most here are not extreme videophiles, so the absence of leading video processing a la Sony / Panasonic is an issue, but not a deal breaker. But given how transparently modular it is, they should have worked a bit harder to give the experience a B&O as opposed to LG feel. 

i really do feel like responding to B&O by email or some-such, just for my own piece of mind, and so that they are aware of, by and large, the most common issue existing customers seem to have with the LG centric UI and interaction.

 

@Sandyb

I am very pleased that we got rid of the horrible Android platform UI.

And I am not sure, that re-skinning the LG UI would be wise.

It would bring a lot of work/use of manpower to the guys in Struer maintaining this for very little gain.

 

Besides a lot of the Beoworlders have been advocating using external boxes and tuner solutions...

....which indeed brings a lot of different UI experience onto the stage anyway.

My feelings are, that they/B&O have done the best, they can, in the given situation.

And some people do like the WebOS UI.

 

MM

Millemissen:

If anyone should be interested - this is still the Eclipse thread - in some details of the bits and pieces of the new BV and to have an impression of the build quality, this might be worth viewing:

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRPmJ785xnMjYHt1XyBQm5JKJHm4xaWVT

Be prepared - 24 minutes long.

MM

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

Thanks, that was interesting to watch.

After seeing that I have to say, I agree with what others have said with regards to the UI, B&O really should skin/customise the UI to say B&O instead of LG. This should be possible in WebOS and could be done with a software update. I hope they plan to do this.

SHEFFIELD:

In Sheffield the Eclipse has been very well received and having sold three today I feel quite confident it will do well. I agree that the price point should be lower and I have laboured this point with those that have input, as everything in life essentially revolves around perceived value... and with TVs this can be a difficult argument.

My dealer told me the same - people will have to wait for that tv. I am sure it will be well received generally.

The tv and the Sound Center aren't overpriced for what they are.

In my opinion the stand options are too expensive - that is where they should have worked a bit to make the endprice lower...

...everyone needs one of the stand options.

Why no B&O made easel stand and why no manual floor stand option at a fair price?

MM

As someone who had the Android platform for 9 months with the BV14, believe me i'm with you.

Maybe re-skinning is the wrong term, implying a wholesale change in appearance, which i agree would be a big ask, however nice.

While i accept they are now properly selling smart TV's, and thus the smart aspect (apps etc) tend to be up front and in your face more than previously, i do think some effort should and could be made to give the GUI a B&O feel. After all, there is a dichotomy between the Bang & Olufsen label on the TV unit itself, and the GUI which is 100% (or near as damnit) LG. I can't quite believe nothing can be done to some effect.

If they sell plenty of the TV as is, then some who want a bit more of that "updated but heritage feel" will have to just accept it and move on i guess.

But the feeling to those of a somewhat diluted experience is not necessarily misplaced (take your pick from GUI, contrast glass, video processing), but as you say the best that one can expect from B&O. It's far from a bad TV, on the contrary has many things going for it (stable software amongst them), but that doesn't invalidate some of the critique.

jvdl:

Today I was at my B&O dealer in Houten for the Beolab 50, and he having also the Eclipse..... nice TV but it is not my TV I like the Avant model more. The biggest screen in Eclipse is 65" I have the Avant 85" so the size is already a problem for me because I wil never do a step back in screen size.

Simply I don't like the model, but it is good that we not have all the same taste. BTW I get my Beolab 50 on september 23 th and that wil be the end for the Beolab 5 that I have with pleasure the last 10 years.

I know this is not for this forum but i think that the BL5 will have its own replacement that is not the BL50. If you think that the BL20 price and the next step up to BL50 (once the BL5 is gone) is huge they will have to put something in that price bracket where the BL5 was. Just my $0.02 :-)

Congrats on your 50s

I agree - you have a total re-skin / appearance change as one extreme option, or a token effort to say B&O here and there as the other extreme option.

I do believe, GUI wise, there should be a happier middle ground that can be found.

And if BV's in the foreseeable future are to have webOS, i don't believe the current effort is nearly good enough.

At least with Android, for all its many faults, once you entered Settings it al looked fairly familiar, and simple.

The current effort has a hurried and lazy feel - greying out some options here and there, sound centre sources saying HDMI2, the lack of B&O anywhere on the GUI really. It can't be quite right that if no one had told you, that you'd think you were using an LG TV.

 

Chris Hassell:

Hey all - can anyone remember if the MK1 Avant was available with the brass cool modern option?

Also @sandyb - do you have any 4K going through your MK1 Avant?

The more I think about it the more I want to go for a MK1 Avant or the latest Mk(3?) BV11. It kinda comes down to if the 4K on the Avant is a lot better than going for the non 4K BV11. I much much much prefer the old solid software that 'feels' B&O. It all works fine with multi room, and really works well with the BLGW etc. Just a lot slicker experience and what you should get when buying a brand such as this. Not an LG telly.

BV11-46, Beoplay A2, H3 ANC, Beo 4, Beoplay S8, Beosound Essence MkII

I have an Avant Mk1 and when i watch 4K i have 4K Netflix and or i buy 4K UHD discs and play them through an XBox One X/S (can't remember the model)

Millemissen:

If anyone should be interested - this is still the Eclipse thread - in some details of the bits and pieces of the new BV and to have an impression of the build quality, this might be worth viewing:

 

Ah, now I understand why there's this extra 'stuff' below the speaker, they mount the soundbar/audiounit directly below. The b&o unit secures on exactly how the LG original table stand does. So it's an LG C7 set with a b&o soundbar mounted where the table stand is normally.

Initial set up is stock LG webos.

Funny how that even down to the packaging is I think exactly the same as my LG original oled set.

Interesting thought, does that mean I can possibly pair a beoremote one with my LG set? Or does the remote actually pair with the b&o unit?

Judicious use of tywrap.

Sandyb:

I agree - you have a total re-skin / appearance change as one extreme option, or a token effort to say B&O here and there as the other extreme option.

I do believe, GUI wise, there should be a happier middle ground that can be found.

And if BV's in the foreseeable future are to have webOS, i don't believe the current effort is nearly good enough.

At least with Android, for all its many faults, once you entered Settings it al looked fairly familiar, and simple.

The current effort has a hurried and lazy feel - greying out some options here and there, sound centre sources saying HDMI2, the lack of B&O anywhere on the GUI really. It can't be quite right that if no one had told you, that you'd think you were using an LG TV.

I get that a B&O skin would be a Point of Difference for the solution.

On my BROne it has a menu button, I'm not sure where that is now, I think it is "home" , when i press Menu it brings up a side menu of sources and settings.

Perhaps they could have not re skinned the GUI but added one more layer

Press Home and you get a few options in the interface people are used to:

> Sound Settings

> Beolink Settings

> Smart TV

When select smart TV then it launches the LG Gallery?

That being said, I'm sure that many people out there that don't know the brand and Come in go "oh nice, i know Web OS and find it intuitive" . I know many of us here don't feel that way.

But everything that people expect in a TV experience is changing, a lot of people are used many apps being in front of them, whether it was an iPad, or a computer, etc and seeing it all is handy.

I remember when i think it was Armani designed a UI for a phone and it was Black and White because they thought it was elegant. Elegant yes, but a huge step back for people that were used to.

I myself like the B&O UI. I didn't at first, took me a while to get used to it and all of the sub menus. I thought man this feels so dated - it was like that old computer program that you could download that controlled your music.

I agree with Sheffield about the Eclipse. But for me because of the price it is, i either buy an Eclipse with no additional speakers, or a Sony OLED and a BeoCore / Transmitter 1 and some B&O speakers.

I think it pairs with the Sound Centre, as that is driving the sources via HDMI 2 on the TV. Just my guess

I don't get it. Some people here are really into the eclipse but don't forget. B&O price used to come with:

Custom design(totally).

Quality materials

Contrast glass

In house picture optimization

Gamma and light correction

Simple user interface

B&O feel and elegance, hardware & software

With the eclipse you get:

A nice looking kit made up of a regular tv put in a beautiful stand.

No B&O R&D/Software/engineering

No contrast glass

No B&O ease of use or software design

No gamma correction

No B&O video design (they used to have people come in and tell them what they preferred and adjusted to that)

No B&O calibration (Avant comes with ten point calibration, individual per every made unit).

No B&O support (they forward you to Lg)

The same cost as a "regular" BeoVision

I don't think B&O made perfect software before but the B&O GUI was quite good and discrete. Subtle menues for volume and changes of speaker group etc. I really liked that. And it works, very well.

They didn't do well with smart tv on pre android kits. But they had a nice system. And improves it a lot.

Now they are completely in the hands of Lg.

Also: webOS TVs don't get upgraded. If you're on WebOS 3.5 you will stay on WebOS 3.5.X.

I want B&O to invest continuously on software because it is very much part of the user experience.

We used to have touch panel BeoCenters. BeoSounds with glass panels moving when a hand approached. Lights, glass, aluminum. Everything that was really enjoyable. Then that changed somewhat - more to rely on software. Still elegant - black and white with B&O style and typography.

Then what happened? BeoPlay happened. Suddenly china made speakers improved sales a lot. Headphones too. More speakers. More headphones. No graphical user interface. No danish factory necessary. Monetary success.

This probably was applied to the B&O brand as well. We see this with the eclipse.

The tv is a real Lg. Custom plastic on the back. That's it. Read that again. Just. Custom. Plastic. And a matching speaker bar with excellent sound.

Yes, yes. It might be "good enough". Awesome sound, awesome picture but horrible user interface.

When I go to a restaurant I rarely go back if the service was bad. Even if the food was to die for. Service is key. User experience is key.

Why pay 10 000 usd or some such for a bad experience? I would not do it.

 

 

I went to my local b & o dealer with my other half this afternoon and we spent about 40mins looking at and playing with the Eclipse.

Our first look at the tv the which was in standby,the screen looked  nice and black and very thin with a metal back with the speaker bar below with the purpal heart fret fitted was not bad,but I did notice it catch my eye a little when first watching the screen and id think the ally one woud be full on you can see me below the screen.

My choice would be the black fret which for us would blend in with the look of the tv nicely.

Watching the screen with diffrent  things from the demo usb  was impressive with nice blacks and sharp picture and my lady was enjoing what see saw as told me the picture pulled her in when watching which was nice to hear as the tv had out of the box settings only.

I did notice a little shimmering and digital blocking on screen during our watch with the usb content and not sure why?

Utube 4k demos off the net looked really good and hdr even better.

I could not check the picture on normal tv as the aerial

had not been fitted but will be going back to play around again when the aerial also the bluray is connected.

Yes the lg logo on screen  is abit of a put off but its for the connrcted lg services the lg play store and the lg on screen stuff could of been tweeked a little b & o but is not bad  with smooth movement.

As for sound,the sound bar which most of you know has the screen sitting through it looks ok with the back of the sound bar fitted with a silver cover not sure if metal or plastic,but looked good.

The sound from the speeker bar was very good and with nice bass,deph which you could tell is the sort of sound output that you just would not get out of your every day tv without a extra sound bar connected below.

Is the Eclipse for me???

I/we liked what we saw in the eclipse finnish,design,picture sound but the lg logo was a bit off putting but thats a logo.Its the pakage on offer from b and o in the eclipse you are buying into.

Yes they could of done a little bit more to be a more b & o tv,like the curtains,rid the lg logo, a thin glass screen we our used to on the front and a little more on screen magic with the icons but this is a diffrent step/way forward for b & o tvs.

Im waiting for the stb prices for there brackets to see if the price is a little better as I post before the b & o stands and brackets push the price up so much more as the tv is a good price,its just the silly stand prices.

At the mo id like an eclipse.

Watch this space......

 

 

 

 

With you in spirit, but a couple of honest questions

Don't the LG panels have a far greater range of image customisation than we've had previously on beovision sets?

Also, is it true that software versions are permanent / stuck?

Aussie Michael:

I agree with Sheffield about the Eclipse. But for me because of the price it is, i either buy an Eclipse with no additional speakers, or a Sony OLED and a BeoCore / Transmitter 1 and some B&O speakers.

And then, what about a center speaker? Don't you care for that?

In case of yes, you would need some kind of processor in between the Sony tv and the BeoLab speakers (which brings additional costs and spoils the ease of controlling the ensemble).

With the Eclipse you have a 3.0 speaker solution, which means an already built-in processor and the needed speaker/s.

According to my dealer round about half of the BV buyers don't buy additional apeakers.

The Sound Center of the BV Eclipse is certainly capable of delievering outstanding sound for both video and audio performances.

Believe me - I have heard it on more occasions now.

Additional speakers are the icing on the cake....or for people, who care about multi channel sound.

MM

Thought the Sony OLED was pretty underpowered sound wise as well, however clever the acoustic surface is.

The software dont know.

The customisation yes...has isf  day and night  also a number of  setting you can play with.

That was my understanding - it has a full range of image calibration, which has been much more limited on previous BV's. Maybe more than some customers want or need, but still much more flexibility.

Not sure about the room adaptation.

9 LEE:

People don't attach the same values they did to a TV 10-20 years ago.  When the whole family sat round it to watch the big soap, it was a 'thing'. Now, when everyone has an iPad, Tablet or Phone they can watch what they like, when they want, in their room - a TV becomes irrelevant.

Trust me... if Apple, with BILLIONS of Dollars to burn, decided not to make a physical TV you know that TV's aren't really the future if you want to make a profit.

Lee

 

Lee
I not agree with you I think the people still having high values to a TV and otherwise the TV business (Netherlands) was not so booming! There are still a lot of buyers they want more the the regular TV and go for the "special"brands like B&O, Loewe and maybe more brands.

What I see overhere that people want to have bigger screens 65"and up and that market is not so big (maybe it is in the UK different?) still a lot of people have to spend a lot of money for there TV....... a Ipad, Tabled , Phone or whatsoever is nice as extra but not for watching real TV.

 

 

 

 

I do like the centre channel but also the left and the right and for the rears too

I didn't mind the Sony sound on the acoustic surface. A B&O it certainly ain't in the speaker department.

If less than a certain percentage of people buy speakers with the TV - they certainly come back to buy more speakers after. I did. That's how i ended up with the BL19, and 2 BL18 (as rears) after.

The question i also pose to myself is "why would i even upgrade/update to the Eclipse from the Avant" which i also suspect many people do.

It will be good to see how much the options are on the stb bracket solution.

Interesting to see what people think of the eclipse, for me I think the design of the tv loos great I just down like the speaker being bigger than the tv, if it was separate then yes I think it would work better ultimately, its up the the customer to decide if paying the extra is worth, personally I'm not sure, but time will tell, if this product will sell in the numbers that bang and olufsen need

Folks, , 2 questions , one hypothetical and one real .

1. If the eclipse was a Sony product , how much premium we would be willing to pay over the standard Sony A1E?

2. For those who are liking the Eclipse , how much of you positive feelings are driven by the B&O multi room / multinproduct integration versus if you were to use Eclipse as a Stand alone product in one location with no other consideration .?

So I went to the store to have a look at it....

It is an amazing tv

The sound blows any competitor out of the water so much so that my 18s rear can move into another room happy with 3.0

The picture quality is exceptional Bo has clearly had input to enhance the webos. let's put it this way the smart platform on the mki avant is not exactly great is it?

I have not seen any oled except eclipse with aluminium backing and it has a solid glass screen. With such good picture why need more bo meddling? The shape is clearly a b/c7 panel but the plastic backing is unique to BO which looks nice

Will I get one- hell yes (approval pending)

The pricing according to my dealer is that it's about 60:40 sound bar: tv

Btw the a8 headphones will get wireless treatment later this year just like those in minority report

vlohjr1:

So I went to the store to have a look at it....

It is an amazing tv

The sound blows any competitor out of the water so much so that my 18s rear can move into another room happy with 3.0

The picture quality is exceptional Bo has clearly had input to enhance the webos. let's put it this way the smart platform on the mki avant is not exactly great is it?

I have not seen any oled except eclipse with aluminium backing and it has a solid glass screen. With such good picture why need more bo meddling? The shape is clearly a b/c7 panel but the plastic backing is unique to BO which looks nice

Will I get one- hell yes (approval pending)

The pricing according to my dealer is that it's about 60:40 sound bar: tv

Btw the a8 headphones will get wireless treatment later this year just like those in minority report

I agree the sound is exceptional and i laughed when you said pending approval :-)

I thought the aluminium backing was a nice touch and is the surround metal? It felt like a very thin metal? Granted its not B&O aluminium surround but it felt cool to the touch

svinaik:

Folks, , 2 questions , one hypothetical and one real .

1. If the eclipse was a Sony product , how much premium we would be willing to pay over the standard Sony A1E?

2. For those who are liking the Eclipse , how much of you positive feelings are driven by the B&O multi room / multinproduct integration versus if you were to use Eclipse as a Stand alone product in one location with no other consideration .?

B&O is all about the multi room with a big TV like this. YOu want to be able to use it as a source for the speakers. If it was a casual TV.... i even think the Horizon isn't stand alone. It's multi room?

Aussie Michael:

The question i also pose to myself is "why would i even upgrade/update to the Eclipse from the Avant" which i also suspect many people do.

That is what I have been wondering too reading this thread.

A lot of people here have good, if not to say excellent tv solutions at home and still they feel a need to by into something new...NOW,

Ok, it is a personal thing, I know - like those who want to upgrade/buy a new car every year.

The need for B&O - as a maker and seller of tv solutions - is different.

They have to make a new tv (nowadays every year) - otherweise they won't be in business anymore, period.

 

So, I you really feel the need and find it somewhat an upgrade, do it. however, it probably is more a lust for than a need.

But do remember - there probably will be a new BV next year...if not earlier.

 

My 2 cents ;-)

 

MM

@MM re new TV, do you think they will somehow try to retain the 11/14 design and fit an OLED inside?

Do-able I guess, though I wonder if the 11/14 design will come to be seen as too thick, in a world of wafer thin screens...personally I'd be happy with the existing 11/14 with an OLED, but I do wonder.....

Whether LG can actually manufacture the picture frame design to the same build quality, or whether the scope of the partnership goes that far, I don't know.

Sandyb:

@MM re new TV, do you think they will somehow try to retain the 11/14 design and fit an OLED inside?

Surely I don't know - and even if I did, I wouldn't tell ;-)

But I am pretty sure that there will be more BV's coming from the B&O/LG partnership.

Personally I would not assume, that the would just pop an OLED into a 'BV14'.

That is not the way they work ------ especially not now as the screen technology (read thin displays) has changed.

 

A part of what we are paying for with the tv's (as with the other products) is the surprice, when they come up with something unexpected, not yet seen.

(Just think of the BS Shape).

Of course they have to promote the BV Eclipse as a must have - but that will be the same with the next BV...and the next.....

 

MM

 

I've been watching this thread with interest as I was tempted by the Eclipse. We bought a new BV11-46 just over 2 years ago and whilst it's a fantastic tv I do regret not going for the 55" model - hence thought I'd wait for the next tv B&O produce.

 

How much am I missing out on by not having Ultra HD on the BV11? Main watching sources are Netflix and occasionally downloading (renting) films on Itunes. 

 

 

Size and PQ (4K HDR) are different things or preferences i'd say.

When it comes to size, i always go bigger if there is a choice, as you are always more likely to regret too small compared to too big.

When it comes to sticking to HD viewing or 4K HDR viewing, thats very personal - i think only you can answer that. Even here in London, i've found it hard to find stores set up to do a proper side by side comparison of different source material (maybe specialist stores)

For me, with a 12-65 (HD only) and an Avant Mk 1 (4K, not HDR), i'm perfectly happy - i'm not persuaded by the 4K HDR samples that are plugged in to some of the top end TV's in the stores would reflect my day to day viewing.

They look great, but (a) they're physical media samples, and while they show off the capability of the TV, i'm not going to buy expensive physical 4K HDR discs and (b) while i haven't tried 4K HDR streaming, i'm sceptical they'll look as good as the discs and (c) 95% of my viewing is broadcast HD (sport) , which still looks superb.

When sport in 4K becomes more standard, then i may revisit my TV's.

But everyone's habits are different, and there may be more 4K movies available soon if,  for the upcoming Apple TV (4K) streaming box, they have persuaded the studios to expand the range of 4K movies - you'll find out next week, capability and rental / purchase cost wise.

 

 

Thanks for the great reply Sandy.

Millemissen:

A lot of people here have good, if not to say excellent tv solutions at home and still they feel a need to by into something new...NOW,

Ok, it is a personal thing, I know - like those who want to upgrade/buy a new car every year.

The need for B&O - as a maker and seller of tv solutions - is different.

They have to make a new tv (nowadays every year) - otherweise they won't be in business anymore, period.

So, I you really feel the need and find it somewhat an upgrade, do it. however, it probably is more a lust for than a need.

But do remember - there probably will be a new BV next year...if not earlier.

 

The nail on his head!