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Keiths Woofers

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Craig Posted: Wed, Apr 4 2018 6:19 PM

Had these delivered today.......usual story, cones held fast by a wandering magnet against the voice coil, otherwise look in good shape

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seen from the side elevation the problem is apparent........we see this all the time.

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Once the magnets have been popped off the frame both voice coils are nice and free, I will check out the resistance of the coils to be sure but they look very recoverable.

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Will clean everything up and get them epoxyed back into place.......

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h1npw replied on Thu, Apr 5 2018 6:48 AM

Hi Criag

Are these from a pair of S45.2?

 I'm about to inherit a pair of these and want to carry out some preventative maintenance on them to avoid this happening, so am very interested in your post!

Cheers

Nigel

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Nigel

Apply epoxy resin all around the magnet top and bottom as shown, this wont stop the core becoming free however but I suspect that only happens when the magnet moves and dislodges the core....so if the magnet is fixed firmly the odds are in your favour.

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h1npw replied on Thu, Apr 5 2018 7:53 AM

Hi Criag

Brilliant! And there was me dreading a complete strip down and re-assembly (I'm a bit ham-fisted), but I think even I can carry out your very sensible advice!

Cheers

Nigel

And thanks for replying so quickly!

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Beo_Jean replied on Thu, Apr 5 2018 12:35 PM

Nice job Craig!

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Magnets cleaned up and epoxy applied prior to placing back onto the frame, the only thing to watch for is putting them back the same way around as they came out, the magnets are polarised after all. Cores back onto the back plates after a clean up and also epoxy glued into place.....24hrs to set.

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Keith replied on Thu, Apr 5 2018 7:41 PM

Looking good, did the coils check out OK?

Keith

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Craig replied on Thu, Apr 5 2018 9:26 PM

Keith

Coils both measured around 3.4 ohms.........good readings

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Girlfriends hairdryer to soften the glue and peel back the dust covers to see whats going on....

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Clamp the base plate, complete with newly affixed magnet core, in the vice and set it a little below the level of the jaws.....3-4mm or so.

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And very carefully lower the speaker onto the core, watching closely through the hole created by removing the dustcap, untill the magnet pulls down onto the vice jaws

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Releasing the vice grip allows the base plate to snap up against the magnet once the core is safely inside the voice coil therefore reducing the risk of damaging the coil on reassembly

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Fit the "alignment tool" and centre the core.........

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This takes around 5mins............

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Pour in the epoxy and leave to rest overnight......

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Keith replied on Sat, Apr 7 2018 11:16 AM

Soon be ready for the big test.

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Second speaker into the pot....quite literally! doing this allows the epoxy to go off without the weight of the speaker pressing on the rubber surround and pushing the voice coil into the core. Just a precaution really.

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Keith replied on Sun, Apr 8 2018 11:33 AM

Now where really cooking. 

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Epoxy in the gaps where the adjustment screws where located, with epoxy all around it should be good for another 40yrs.

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sonavor replied on Tue, Apr 10 2018 3:56 AM

Fascinating procedure. The gap you left on the step where you used the vice...Was that for some insurance so you have a bit of control on the initial placement? It seems like the first lowering of the speaker onto the core would be a tense moment. Once in place you adjust the screws on your alignment tool to center the core?

Well done on the procedure and thanks for sharing the pictures. What kind of epoxy do you use?

-sonavor

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Craig replied on Tue, Apr 10 2018 12:11 PM

Sonavor..

Yes the gap between the base plate and the magnet, when the base plate is held in the vice, allows you to carefully place the voice coil over the core holding the speaker tightly in both hands, the magnet will jump the last few millimeters as you lower the assembly over the core but its a lot easier to control this way. And as you say the initial lowering is the most fraught part of the procedure, I dont attempt to centre the core until the vice grip is released of course. For the epoxy I have tried both Araldite and Gorilla glue versions....both seem to harden off fine in a 24hr window.

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Tested these out with one of my cabinets connected to a BM6000.........

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And the other one........these sound as good as new, I will get these wrapped up and in the post in the next day or so.

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Keith replied on Tue, Apr 10 2018 9:23 PM

Many thanks for taking the time to repair them. And looking forward to putting back together with my BM4400.

Please PM with your bank details and expenditures.

Kind regards 

Keith

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Top job Craig, congrats to both of you

Collecting Vintage B&O is not a hobby, its a lifestyle.

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Craig replied on Wed, Apr 11 2018 7:15 AM

My pleasure Keith.....I will get them out to you as soon as I can, its tricky through the week due to work commitments but I'll see if the girlfriend can take them down to the post office tomorrow......as for my expenses the addition of a bottle of New Zealand Sauvignon Blanc is always welcome in our house ;¬)

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Craig replied on Wed, Apr 11 2018 8:54 PM

Keith

All boxed up and ready to go.....girlfriend has offered to take them down to the post office tomorrow, next day delivery signed for.

Craig

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Keith replied on Wed, Apr 11 2018 9:00 PM

Thanks Craig 

As soon as you know the final cost PM and I’ll add a bit extra for a couple of bottles for you and your girlfriend.

 

Kind regards 

Keith

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Craig replied on Thu, Apr 12 2018 5:57 AM

Your a grand chap!

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Craig replied on Thu, Apr 12 2018 5:42 PM

Keith

sent you an email with the tracking number.....on there way!

Craig

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Keith replied on Mon, Apr 16 2018 3:20 PM

The woofers arrived today, fitted and Sound Fantastic.

Many thanks again Craig for taking the time to repair them. 

Keith 

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Its my pleasure Keith.............

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Without pics it didn't happen Laughing

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Craig replied on Mon, Apr 16 2018 7:14 PM

Cheers Soren Thumbs Up

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