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Puncher: They'd probably sell more product if they had the Havana trip as a raffle prize with a free entry with every sale and left the lads with the crayons at home!
They'd probably sell more product if they had the Havana trip as a raffle prize with a free entry with every sale and left the lads with the crayons at home!
Sadly the lie-flat seats have been booked and in-flight meals pre-chosen, so sadly it can't be cancelled. Remember, a new season is decided many months in advance as colors need to be signed off and sent to manufacturing for sampling before final production. SS20 will be in discussion, internally. Think early mood boards at this stage.
I did suggest that they could look at photos of Havana via Google, but understandably there's nothing better than touching, smelling and experiencing your environment to make your final color choices and submitting your inspiration to management.
moxxey: Puncher: They'd probably sell more product if they had the Havana trip as a raffle prize with a free entry with every sale and left the lads with the crayons at home! Sadly the lie-flat seats have been booked and in-flight meals pre-chosen, so sadly it can't be cancelled. I did suggest that they could look at photos of Havana via Google, but understandably there's nothing better than touching, smelling and experiencing your environment to make your final color choices.
Sadly the lie-flat seats have been booked and in-flight meals pre-chosen, so sadly it can't be cancelled. I did suggest that they could look at photos of Havana via Google, but understandably there's nothing better than touching, smelling and experiencing your environment to make your final color choices.
The fact they're traveling to a Communist dictatorship to choose colors for as shallow and capitalistic a market as designer luxury goods is ironic in the extreme.
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I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
Puncher:Whilst I mock and over exaggerate to make my point I will ask how many new, new sales does this generate? For example how many Dusty Pink H9i's will be sold where, without the pink option, there would not have been an H9i sale at all? This together with the point made by others, i.e. design a killer product and it's colour is irrelevant.
Duels: Puncher: Whilst I mock and over exaggerate to make my point I will ask how many new, new sales does this generate? For example how many Dusty Pink H9i's will be sold where, without the pink option, there would not have been an H9i sale at all? This together with the point made by others, i.e. design a killer product and it's colour is irrelevant. I’m not sure the sales information is available but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the regular colour updates had a significant impact on sales volume. Particularly bearing in mind the younger target market for play products generally. From my own point of view, I personally bought an A1,A2,H8s and H5s on the release of a particular new colour that I really liked.
Puncher: Whilst I mock and over exaggerate to make my point I will ask how many new, new sales does this generate? For example how many Dusty Pink H9i's will be sold where, without the pink option, there would not have been an H9i sale at all? This together with the point made by others, i.e. design a killer product and it's colour is irrelevant.
Whilst I mock and over exaggerate to make my point I will ask how many new, new sales does this generate? For example how many Dusty Pink H9i's will be sold where, without the pink option, there would not have been an H9i sale at all?
This together with the point made by others, i.e. design a killer product and it's colour is irrelevant.
I’m not sure the sales information is available but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the regular colour updates had a significant impact on sales volume. Particularly bearing in mind the younger target market for play products generally.
From my own point of view, I personally bought an A1,A2,H8s and H5s on the release of a particular new colour that I really liked.
Great - the company seems safe in your hands.
Ban boring signatures!
Puncher: Duels: Puncher: Whilst I mock and over exaggerate to make my point I will ask how many new, new sales does this generate? For example how many Dusty Pink H9i's will be sold where, without the pink option, there would not have been an H9i sale at all? This together with the point made by others, i.e. design a killer product and it's colour is irrelevant. I’m not sure the sales information is available but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the regular colour updates had a significant impact on sales volume. Particularly bearing in mind the younger target market for play products generally. From my own point of view, I personally bought an A1,A2,H8s and H5s on the release of a particular new colour that I really liked. Great - the company seems safe in your hands.
I wanted the H9i this December, as a very nice colour was available, sadly it was sold out and I did not buy them. All dealers had sold out of this colour, so it must have had some influence.
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Emil Jensen:I wanted the H9i this December, as a very nice colour was available, sadly it was sold out and I did not buy them. All dealers had sold out of this colour, so it must have had some influence.
Absolutely do not understand wanting/needing headphones but not buying them because they aren't Dusty Pink (insert own colour here)!
Puncher: Emil Jensen:I wanted the H9i this December, as a very nice colour was available, sadly it was sold out and I did not buy them. All dealers had sold out of this colour, so it must have had some influence. Absolutely do not understand wanting/needing headphones but not buying them because they aren't Dusty Pink (insert own colour here)!
That is okay Puncher, I am just telling you that it can be the case for a lot of people.
I actually apply this for a lot of things.
I mostly look at Cars and Houses for the design(Colour is a important part of design)
Clothes seems to obvious to say.
To be clear, B&O have always done colours and I had no real objection to that. My concern here is that they have apparently significantly upped their expenditure in the selection process of colours, most of which will be fleeting and will likely have little additional impact over an almost a random selection from this seasons "in" colours - i.e. "new/different" is probably more important than the actual shade, especially given that most will have a lifetime of mere months.
I would rather this money was spent on Engineering, Acoustics, actual design and especially software.
Puncher:To be clear, B&O have always done colours and I had no real objection to that. My concern here is that they have apparently significantly upped their expenditure in the selection process of colours, most of which will be fleeting and will likely have little additional impact over an almost a random selection from this seasons "in" colours - i.e. "new/different" is probably more important than the actual shade, especially given that most will have a lifetime of mere months. I would rather this money was spent on Engineering, Acoustics, actual design and especially software. Ban boring signatures!
I'm not sure if you're not listening on purpose - by all means have seasonal colours, I just don't believe it requires significant additional resources in order to do so!
Duels:Clearly the seasonal colours aren’t for you Puncher, but I do believe they can have a significant impact on sales by fostering additional interest every six months. Presumably B&O see sales spike when they release new colours otherwise they would stop doing it. I don’t think it should be a case of spending the money on other things. Surely money should be spent on all the areas you mention at an appropriate level in addition to the colour team, not instead of. If the cost of the colour team creates more than that level of margin on additional sales (as I suspect it will) I’d say leave it alone.
Jon: Duels: Clearly the seasonal colours aren’t for you Puncher, but I do believe they can have a significant impact on sales by fostering additional interest every six months. Presumably B&O see sales spike when they release new colours otherwise they would stop doing it. I don’t think it should be a case of spending the money on other things. Surely money should be spent on all the areas you mention at an appropriate level in addition to the colour team, not instead of. If the cost of the colour team creates more than that level of margin on additional sales (as I suspect it will) I’d say leave it alone. I’m probably just a slave to capitalism or whatever but I’m guilty of that. I snapped up a pair of terracotta H9i when they released the AW18 season and sold the natural ones I had 😳
Duels: Clearly the seasonal colours aren’t for you Puncher, but I do believe they can have a significant impact on sales by fostering additional interest every six months. Presumably B&O see sales spike when they release new colours otherwise they would stop doing it. I don’t think it should be a case of spending the money on other things. Surely money should be spent on all the areas you mention at an appropriate level in addition to the colour team, not instead of. If the cost of the colour team creates more than that level of margin on additional sales (as I suspect it will) I’d say leave it alone.
Clearly the seasonal colours aren’t for you Puncher, but I do believe they can have a significant impact on sales by fostering additional interest every six months. Presumably B&O see sales spike when they release new colours otherwise they would stop doing it.
I don’t think it should be a case of spending the money on other things. Surely money should be spent on all the areas you mention at an appropriate level in addition to the colour team, not instead of.
If the cost of the colour team creates more than that level of margin on additional sales (as I suspect it will) I’d say leave it alone.
I’m probably just a slave to capitalism or whatever but I’m guilty of that. I snapped up a pair of terracotta H9i when they released the AW18 season and sold the natural ones I had 😳
That was the model I wanted, but to slow, best they have made so far
Well it seems the Terracotta H9i's were very popular - I hope Jon enjoys his and I'm sorry Emil missed out - all done without a specialist colour department or any trips to Havana …. QED!
Puncher: Well it seems the Terracotta H9i's were very popular - I hope Jon enjoys his and I'm sorry Emil missed out - all done without a specialist colour department or any trips to Havana …. QED!
AW18's colors were inspired by a trip to Marrakesh: "The AW18 Collection pays tribute to the rich colours found in the ancient natural world, taking its inspiration from the old city of Marrakesh, with its timeless colours, textures, and hues – rich, warm, and harmonious"
... but could equally have been inspired by a cost to my greenhouse with much less expense!
Puncher:... but could equally have been inspired by a cost to my greenhouse with much less expense! Ban boring signatures!
Emil Jensen:That was the model I wanted, but to slow, best they have made so far Beovision Eclipse, Beolab 20, Beosound 1 Google assist, Beoplay M3, Beoplay H6
Puncher:Well it seems the Terracotta H9i's were very popular - I hope Jon enjoys his and I'm sorry Emil missed out - all done without a specialist colour department or any trips to Havana …. QED! Ban boring signatures!
Puncher: ... but could equally have been inspired by a cost to my greenhouse with much less expense!
But does your greenhouse look as inspirational as a shoot in Marrakesh?
So, B&O had to travel all the way to Marrakesh to discover beige?
moxxey: Puncher: ... but could equally have been inspired by a cost to my greenhouse with much less expense! But does your greenhouse look as inspirational as a shoot in Marrakesh?
If she drops these, they're lost forever...
What a shame! This spring's colour selection does not include Purple Haze ...
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I fear that B&O continues to alienate existing loyal customers, to terminate dealerships that exist for ages and keeps introducing new colors for existing products. I hope the brand name can survive the path taken.
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OldJack: What a shame! This spring's colour selection does not include Purple Haze ...
Pantone does the work and BeoColor takes a trip and writes a story to please the executives. I would enjoy argument for your idea....but I think it is over the BeoColor Team's head. Of course they did do the Marrakesh Express.
Purple haze all in my brain
Lately things just don't seem the same
Actin' funny, but I don't know why
'Scuse me while I kiss the sky
Purple haze all around
Don't know if I'm comin' up or down
Am I happy or in misery?
Whatever it is, that girl put a spell on me
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BartS:I fear that B&O continues to alienate existing loyal customers, to terminate dealerships that exist for ages and keeps introducing new colors for existing products. I hope the brand name can survive the path taken.
Beovision 11-55, BeoPlay V1 40, Beosound 9000, Beolab 8000's and 3 Beocom 5's...
Razlaw: Looking at the number of products in the various categories, it seems to me that they have many more products, and much more variety of products than in the past, so I do not really understand the belief that all they do is change colors and make headphones.
Looking at the number of products in the various categories, it seems to me that they have many more products, and much more variety of products than in the past, so I do not really understand the belief that all they do is change colors and make headphones.
+1
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
So, the metric now is how many different products are produced, not whether they are good products, or represent a coordinated and cohesive design and product portfolio (as in the past), or work well together, but just number of products! It's not a throw everything at the wall and see if anything sticks, while abandoning products rather than fixing them, or rather I should say designing them well to begin with. Wow, the old DaK company must have been the best company on earth then.
No, the metric now is NOT ‘how many different products are produced......’.
The ‘metric’ is, do we trust these guys making something worthy and relevant now, in 2019 and in the future?
Some do, others don’t.
Millemissen: No, the metric now is NOT ‘how many different products are produced......’. The ‘metric’ is, do we trust these guys making something worthy and relevant now, in 2019 and in the future? Some do, others don’t. MM
No, the ONLY metrics (look up the definition) that matter are whether you can a: make money for your stakeholders, and b: get people to like your stock enough to make the price go up, and c: survive.
Words don't matter, only actions and results. What sparkles, sells. If adding a few drops of color to the pot sells more headphones or speakers with only advertising cost, we all win.
If the Color Team fly easyJet and stay in hostels, even better.
poodleboy:No, the ONLY metrics (look up the definition) that matter are whether you can a: make money for your stakeholders, and b: get people to like your stock enough to make the price go up, and c: survive. Words don't matter, only actions and results. What sparkles, sells. If adding a few drops of color to the pot sells more headphones or speakers with only advertising cost, we all win. If the Color Team fly easyJet and stay in hostels, even better.
poodleboy: If the Color Team fly easyJet and stay in hostels, even better.
The Color Team is a group of talented design professionals, in a new well-budgeted team, which will source only the crème de la crème of color recognition and deployment experts. Stay in a hostel?
If they flew Easyjet they'd be overwhelmed with orange, which would cause a sensual overload. And no-one wants that.
moxxey: poodleboy: If the Color Team fly easyJet and stay in hostels, even better. The Color Team is a group of talented design professionals, in a new well-budgeted team, which will source only the crème de la crème of color recognition and deployment experts. Stay in a hostel? If they flew Easyjet they'd be overwhelmed with orange, which would cause a sensual overload. And no-one wants that.
All that orange, it'd take months of intensive rehabilitation and aromatherapy for them to get their color sensitivity back! Oh the humanity!
Much more sensitive and talented than a simple old "normal" designer like David Lewis.
regarding speaker variety: i've noticed that, too. however, to me, the line up seems less "distinct" in each model's concept and appearance. the avant 32 was a true flagship tv back in '99.
Robin: 2 days more and there will be ise. Really excited if anything new is coming.
2 days more and there will be ise. Really excited if anything new is coming.
ISE is a B2B show for networking and integration professionals. It's not your usual show for new consumer launches. It's more the sort of location you'd go and discuss licensing and deploying ICEpower and similar technologies.
Hiort:I heard that there will be a replacement to Horizon once the current stock are sold out. No OLED since the sizes will be 40” and upwards.
So there is something new on the Horizon then