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Introduction BeoVision Harmony

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1990 replied on Fri, Oct 11 2019 11:06 AM

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Cool, the software has clearly advanced! Still no footage of "Audio Mode"? I guess setup is the same for Stage + C9?

Curious when the BeoLiving-implementation is ready and what it looks like on screen!

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Peter Pan replied on Fri, Oct 11 2019 12:57 PM

Yes - thumbs up

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Lareny replied on Thu, Oct 31 2019 12:28 AM

So, the big question is will you in the future when 8K and eventually 16K screens are more available (and affordable) be possible to upgrade the current LG 4K screen with an 8k or 16k screen only, i.e. retain the B&O speakers/stand/controller but replace the screen?

Is the 4k driver components in the B&O part of the unit, or in the LG screen? I would assume in the screen, but with B&O you never know, they prefer to sell you a complete new unit rather than upgrade.

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Mikipidia replied on Thu, Oct 31 2019 1:18 AM

yes this will be possible, the B&O bit strips some of the audio out and does it's magic from there. In a few months 8k will be available. 16k is a bit dreamy though, next big step is 10k but that will be 2 years or so on LG's part for the first ones to appear.

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Mikipidia replied on Thu, Oct 31 2019 1:21 AM

1990:

Beozip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klx-x03sZQA&list=PLRPmJ785xnMhzU7YPcFlBxzNRSY4ewyQV&index=16

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Cool, the software has clearly advanced! Still no footage of "Audio Mode"? I guess setup is the same for Stage + C9?

Curious when the BeoLiving-implementation is ready and what it looks like on screen!

I have some up here, the sound is super impressive! https://youtu.be/-OJzER1GKW8

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Marcello replied on Thu, Oct 31 2019 8:27 AM

Lareny:

So, the big question is will you in the future when 8K and eventually 16K screens are more available (and affordable) be possible to upgrade the current LG 4K screen with an 8k or 16k screen only, i.e. retain the B&O speakers/stand/controller but replace the screen?

Is the 4k driver components in the B&O part of the unit, or in the LG screen? I would assume in the screen, but with B&O you never know, they prefer to sell you a complete new unit rather than upgrade.

My dealer said yes. The screen is basically on a VESA mount connected to the motorised stand. The only thing is that all the settings for the B&O stuff (speaker groups, roles, WISA,etc) are managed by an LG WebOS App which will be available only on certain models (the C9 as it stands now). In the future they will be able to limit which TV sets can be used with the Harmony by selectively enabling access to the app.

 

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Marcello replied on Thu, Oct 31 2019 8:30 AM

Is the TV connected to the speaker with an HDMI cable? If so, what are the actually usable HDMI ports, 3 or 4?

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Hiort replied on Thu, Oct 31 2019 8:34 AM

Marcello:

Is the TV connected to the speaker with an HDMI cable? If so, what are the actually usable HDMI ports, 3 or 4?

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Thank....must be quite new.

You may have noticed that there is a port for a Stand....which in this case is not in use.

This might indicate that the same platform ‘could’ be used for another configuration of a speakers part and an LG-tv.....maybe sometime.

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Marcello replied on Thu, Oct 31 2019 10:07 AM

Millemissen:

 

Thank....must be quite new.

You may have noticed that there is a port for a Stand....which in this case is not in use.

This might indicate that the same platform ‘could’ be used for another configuration of a speakers part and an LG-tv.....maybe sometime.

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1990 replied on Thu, Oct 31 2019 4:03 PM

Pricing for the 65" Harmony is announced at 13.500/14.500.

It reveals the flexibility of the product: the Soundheart and the stand are the same. Only the LG panel, panel adapter (100 euro) and the fronts are different (500 euro price difference between 65" and 77").

Makes the product very flexible when moving house etc.

Pricing is: 8.100 for Harmony, 540 for the wall/floor stand, 100 for panel adapter, 260 for BR1.

Fronts in wood: 2.000 for 65" and 2.500 for 77"

Fronts in cloth: 1.000 for 65" and 1.500 for 77"

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Pricelist in Denmark:

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Ditlev replied on Fri, Nov 8 2019 12:53 PM

We had ours setup last week. It was not easy to do, especially with the wall bracket. 

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Sandyb replied on Fri, Nov 8 2019 3:55 PM

Nice, I know those guys!

Michael has been to mine many many times!

Cant tell from the angle of the picture, but isn't the TV pretty high up?

Just a question, as I dont know the restrictions of the room.

 

Ditlev:

We had ours setup last week. It was not easy to do, especially with the wall bracket. 

 

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Ditlev replied on Fri, Nov 8 2019 5:31 PM

Yes - it is slightly high up :) and just when it was put up I was a bit concerned - but it’s a very long room, about 18 meters, so actually it’s working out ok (or so I am telling myself :))

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So does the Eclipse work in the same way that you can change the panel by yourself?

1990:

Pricing for the 65" Harmony is announced at 13.500/14.500.

It reveals the flexibility of the product: the Soundheart and the stand are the same. Only the LG panel, panel adapter (100 euro) and the fronts are different (500 euro price difference between 65" and 77").

Makes the product very flexible when moving house etc.

Pricing is: 8.100 for Harmony, 540 for the wall/floor stand, 100 for panel adapter, 260 for BR1.

Fronts in wood: 2.000 for 65" and 2.500 for 77"

Fronts in cloth: 1.000 for 65" and 1.500 for 77"

 

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Sandyb replied on Tue, Nov 19 2019 8:55 AM
chickenceo:

So does the Eclipse work in the same way that you can change the panel by yourself?

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mbee replied on Fri, May 22 2020 1:11 PM

The 2020 version of the Harmony has been launched.

- 88" (8K) available. I've asked if the sound center has been upgraded to 8K but I'm 99,9% sure it's still 4K. Based on the 88ZX panel from LG.

- 77" and 65" are now based on the LG GX (instead of C9 previously). If you ask what are the differences between a GX and a CX: exactly the same panel and electronics, so picture-wise it's the same TV, but the GX has a full slim body and improved audio... Which are both useless for a Harmony as it's a very deep foot and as the LG speakers are not used. The real reason behind it is that the GX panel is distributed via a more selected distributor network, so it's price (700€ more than the CX) will be consistent and you will not have the feeling that B&O is selling you a LG TV at the standard price when it's on sale everywhere.

 

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mbee:

The 2020 version of the Harmony has been launched.

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Where?

I see nothing on the B&O website.

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mbee replied on Fri, May 22 2020 7:32 PM

News in the dealer system.

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Esax replied on Fri, May 22 2020 11:16 PM
mbee:

The 2020 version of the Harmony has been launched.

- 88" (8K) available. I've asked if the sound center has been upgraded to 8K but I'm 99,9% sure it's still 4K. Based on the 88ZX panel from LG.

- 77" and 65" are now based on the LG GX (instead of C9 previously). If you ask what are the differences between a GX and a CX: exactly the same panel and electronics, so picture-wise it's the same TV, but the GX has a full slim body and improved audio... Which are both useless for a Harmony as it's a very deep foot and as the LG speakers are not used. The real reason behind it is that the GX panel is distributed via a more selected distributor network, so it's price (700€ more than the CX) will be consistent and you will not have the feeling that B&O is selling you a LG TV at the standard price when it's on sale everywhere.

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mbee replied on Sat, May 23 2020 8:37 AM

Indeed: official LG price for the 88ZX : 29999€. Add to this a stand that should be 8100€ or more, two panels in wood for 2000€... And the remote for 260€... Yes, the 40k are reached easily!

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kawo replied on Sun, May 24 2020 6:53 AM

My local shop ordered the 88" Harmony, they will have it on display in two of their shops, really looking forward to see the "monster" in flesh. I guess my just ordered 65" Harmony will look small and tiny next to it... just imagine the 2 massive wood panels!

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So the lift mechanisme of the Harmony must be pretty tough if you can just switch between an 55" and an 88" piece of glass!

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mbee replied on Sun, May 24 2020 5:03 PM

Indeed, a 80kg stand is a little bit oversized for a 65 inches TV weighting less than 20kg...

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Esax replied on Sun, May 24 2020 5:06 PM
The 8k 88” is only 40kg.

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mbee:

Indeed, a 80kg stand is a little bit oversized for a 65 inches TV weighting less than 20kg...

It's not exactly the stand I'm talking about... It's the motors that must do the lifting...

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moxxey replied on Sun, May 24 2020 9:34 PM

mbee:

News in the dealer system.

Off-topic, but if the Harmony has been upgraded with an LG GX screen, the Eclipse can't be that far beind. Any news on this?

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mbee replied on Sun, May 24 2020 9:43 PM

@kuyttendaele : the 80kg must include big powerful motors and not only steel & aluminum!Big Smile

@Moxxey : it was only a news about the Harmony, nothing concerning the Eclipse, but we didn't search for that. An Eclipse could benefit a bit more of the GX design if they adapt the sound center to this full slim design.

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moxxey:

mbee:

News in the dealer system.

Off-topic, but if the Harmony has been upgraded with an LG GX screen, the Eclipse can't be that far beind. Any news on this?

The Hamony have always used a standard LG Screen, so nothing have been upgraded from B&O

The Eclipse have a custom LG Screen, therefore the Eclipse have to be altered in some way.

But my guess is that the reason the Eclipse V2 is not launched, is because they clearly still have the custom panel in stock.

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kawo replied on Mon, May 25 2020 8:34 AM

When I ordered the Harmony this Saturday I discussed with my local shop couple of options. He mentioned to me the the Soundcenter for the 88" also a 77" can be fitted, but not a 65". So it looks like there will be a separate SKU for this heavy piece. He expects the Eclipse in August, with an updated way to mount the screen on the sound center, he also mentioned the screen will be sitting 5mm higher on the sound center. But no positive information if the "old" sound center can be upgraded by a a new mounting kit (potentially nice opportunity for STB Brackets)

I would love to see B&O care more about our heavy investments as a customer in the brand to support future upgrades path. B&O has been never good at that. I am almost sure that a lot customers would upgrade the electronics in a eclipse or harmony for future formats, or room correction systems or what ever. 

Also think about the dealer if there is an upgrade kit for the Eclipse form the the old panel to the CX, a lot of extra business and a good way to get in touch with customers. At least my shop would love to see this.

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Fansastic replied on Mon, May 25 2020 6:13 PM
That should be a great option indeed! Upgrade possibility would make the investment in a Eclipse feel more durable

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moxxey replied on Mon, May 25 2020 6:18 PM

Emil Jensen:

The Eclipse have a custom LG Screen, therefore the Eclipse have to be altered in some way.

But my guess is that the reason the Eclipse V2 is not launched, is because they clearly still have the custom panel in stock.

I made a decision over the weekend to get the LG GX + Stage, rather than wait, and wall-mount the GX. In fact, I've decided to get two of these setups, for both rooms (where the BV12-65 was located), which still leaves me with money to spare versus an Eclipse purchase.

I love the idea of the Eclipse and adore the oak fret, but just can't justify the £7K+ for the 2017 panel nor wait months for an Eclipse v2. The dealer I spoke to last month said 'September', so it's definitely 3-4 months away.

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Sandyb replied on Mon, May 25 2020 6:44 PM
Nice- the GX wall mounted looks fantastic

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I agree, the GX and Stage are a perfect match. I’d do that in a heart beat as well. 

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moxxey:

I made a decision over the weekend to get the LG GX + Stage, rather than wait, and wall-mount the GX. In fact, I've decided to get two of these setups, for both rooms (where the BV12-65 was located), which still leaves me with money to spare versus an Eclipse purchase.

I love the idea of the Eclipse and adore the oak fret, but just can't justify the £7K+ for the 2017 panel nor wait months for an Eclipse v2. The dealer I spoke to last month said 'September', so it's definitely 3-4 months away.

I’ve been mulling over the idea, as I’m terrified of bring the Eclipse out here to be honest.

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moxxey replied on Mon, May 25 2020 10:54 PM

Chris Townsend:

I’ve been mulling over the idea, as I’m terrified of bring the Eclipse out here to be honest.

When I realised I could buy 2 x LG GX + Stage + BeoRemote and still have money to spare, I was sold.

I moved my BV11 from the wall to an easel stand the other day and I'm *so* used to it being on the wall, I forgot it's low on the easel stand and the sound experience is very different. I guess with the wall, the BV11 speaker uses the solid wall behind to enhance the bass? Without it, free standing, it's very different.

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moxxey:

Emil Jensen:

The Eclipse have a custom LG Screen, therefore the Eclipse have to be altered in some way.

But my guess is that the reason the Eclipse V2 is not launched, is because they clearly still have the custom panel in stock.

I made a decision over the weekend to get the LG GX + Stage, rather than wait, and wall-mount the GX. In fact, I've decided to get two of these setups, for both rooms (where the BV12-65 was located), which still leaves me with money to spare versus an Eclipse purchase.

I love the idea of the Eclipse and adore the oak fret, but just can't justify the £7K+ for the 2017 panel nor wait months for an Eclipse v2. The dealer I spoke to last month said 'September', so it's definitely 3-4 months away.

The Eclipse is not very attractive now if you need, or want the newest tech.

And the GX is really nice wall mounted, so a good solution.

And I think that if you later is missing the function of a more capable Beovision you can easily upgrade the Stage to a Eclipse soundcenter.

 

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moxxey replied on Tue, May 26 2020 8:52 PM

Emil Jensen:

The Eclipse is not very attractive now if you need, or want the newest tech.

Just had chat with a separate (as in, he doesn't know me) UK B&O dealer this afternoon and he says there's no idea when an Eclipse v2 is coming. He thinks August would be unlikely as dealers would know by now - he has a point. Dealers generally have an idea what's coming in the next 3-6 months.

He also claims that the Harmony is selling better than expected and that engineer resources have been diverted away from an Eclipse update to Harmony updates, which is one reason why an Eclipse v2 might be delayed.

Interestingly, he also claimed he thinks we're likely to see an updated Horizon before an Eclipse v2. He claims there's a lot more demand for the smaller screens with your typical B&O customer.

But, to conclude, he also recommended getting the GX + Stage setup.

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butch1 replied on Wed, May 27 2020 2:42 PM

Hi Moxxey,

I made the calculated decision on a 65 LG and stage for bedroom, very pleased with sound and beo remote integration.

On the negative I know it’s a 4K oled panel, but I only use it for 4K material as my beovison 11 has a better picture on all sources, and with a blue ray competes with the oled with compressed Netflix 4K.

 

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