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Good evening to all,
I was so happy to get a BS9000 cheap today.Well, joy lived short. After further investigations and reading on the forum I think I was too presumptuous thinking it would be easy to fix. The unit was sold as defective so all my fault…
Good news is Radio works and A.Aux can be selected. Sound control works too.At first as soon as ou selected CD, the unit did go Standby.
The glass door looked like stuck on the right and wobbly on the left hinge.I tried to force opening but it resisted to the point where the glass detached itself from the metallic support. So I completely removed the glass. I could verify the left hinge has a very lot of play. But since then the load command seems to work (not consistently but as the unit is in bad shape, can't say if its related).
The CD clamper when moved manually can display CD1 and CD2 (have not tried other slots). I even manage to get a timerand "pause" displayed. The disc did move a little bit like pushed from below but it didn't spin and i didn't notice anything else.
I was trying to release the sledge as Beobuddy recommended in another thread and also following the Service Manual but here started my fears.
1- I can't see any "big wheel" under the carriage to be rotated by hand.2- When I look into the groove over the CD slots I can see two pulleys on each extend but can't see any wire or cable around them. As the carriage seems to move quite freely I fear parts are missing.
So now I'm wondering if I didn't buy a dead body, donor of some parts which are now missing.
I've attached some pictures below.
Please any advice or help would be greatly appreciated.
The left wobbly hinge, please notice the oval axis hole
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The carriage below with no big wheel.
And one of the pulleys with no wire around.
Thanks for reading.
Good nite to all of you. I hope you're sleeping well.
Unable to sleep my self i continued to investigate my unit, the service manual and comparing with picture on internet.And here I am: No luck tis time, I 've just lost my money: Where it should be a motor and a spool with a wire, there is just… Nothing!So yes, the sledge cannot move by itself and i dont know which kind of error this causing.
Most likely this unit will never fully work again.
If one of you could help me with the glass lid to see something move, it would be great.but as for the rest, its a dead end.
Sad night
Are you 100% there is no wire and motor inside ?
I thik you should open unit form the top.
Take of plastic part where the keyboard located.
lawrencejmcook:So sorry - must be a real disappointment. Perhaps one of the members has spare parts that could help you make it work again. Good luck. Get some sleep. L
Perhaps one of the members has spare parts that could help you make it work again.
Good luck. Get some sleep.
L
It is. Thank you Lawrence for your support.
marexy:Are you 100% there is no wire and motor inside ?
Hi Marexy,
Yes I am. I can see there is no wire running on the grove and I removed the left metal top where i can see there's a hole where th motor should be.I can also move the carriage freely as long it's not engaged on a slot.
Can you open BS9000 and take a photo ?
Of course, here it is. You can see the most expensive hole in my B&O experience and also the unconnected plug.
I also tried to align the door thanks to the adjusting screws but it seems a spring is missing on the left hinge (the loose one).I glued back the door panel. Its drying, let's see how it works tomorrow.
Hi !
Where are you located ? I have the part (second hand) if you need.
Cheers.
nanan: Hi ! Where are you located ? I have the part (second hand) if you need. Cheers.
Really? That could be something, Thanks.
I'm in Paris.
hope you find cheap fix and restore that nice item to full working condition :)
Thank you Marexy. I'm looking forward to it. Let's stay positive!
New twist!
After contacting the seller, he did have a box with some parts inside.
He sent me a picture. Looks like the motor, wires and the parts missing to the wall mount.
I should get them tomorrow. Hope re-ingnited.
Got the glass door fitted and aligned. It's working even if it has hard time opening.
Smalls steps!
Can someone tell me if there is actually a spring on the second (left) hinge? The door looks now fine and the SM dont show that part clearly.
Still waiting for the missing motor this afternoon… Stay tuned.
Ok, I've got the parts back. Doesn't seems to be an easy task to fit the wires again.
Any help or hints would be much appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Work in progress…
Well, It is done.
Even if I didn't had some response in this thread (do I do something wrong? please tell me if its the case…), I'd like to thank the forum for the help it provides me through comments, tip, tricks and helpful info in other threads.
In the process i could figure out that some more pieces are missing, but it's mostly plastic covers and one spring i could replace by some twisted iron wire.
The carriage is travelling again (noisily, mostly because of the ribbon wires) and i could make him travel to the 6th slot and back.I also saw for the first time "LOAD CD" on the display, small step again.
Unfortunately that's all for miracles for today, I'm now experiencing common symptoms of dead laser. It is a VAM1205 so it must be easy to find. I must check if by chance it could be the same in my BS3000 MK1 even if comments here are saying it is not.
But before ordering the part i need to check the whole health of the thing, so need to dig into the service mode details.
Any comments welcome.
Perfect ..hapy to find one more BS9000 back to life :)
BS9000 MK1 last models and 80% of BS9000 MK2 have same laser...VAM 12.4
that is from my experiance..i'm not expert!
so ..cost of the ( china ) laser is 15 USD with shipping..as there is no more original ones ..an some of WWW sellers say ..that they have original laser..noup..no go ..
new-old stock is long gone..that is info from my local seller.
Do you mean VAM1205 is the same than VAM12.4 or CDM 12.4 ? Thank you.
In the meantime another problem did rise:
The claws holding the discs doesn't seems to disengage anymore. So i cannot spin the CD even with the tip of the finger, its stuck.
Any Idea?.
Hi
Yes ..its the same more or lass :)
On the PCB board or on the CD mechanism ( plastic part with white label ) in the BS9000 can see VAM 1205 ...not 1250..that is for BS9000 MK3 or lete MK2
you have VAM 1205 .( if you do not have allready upgrade to last version of laser ) .and you need laser 12.4 type so..you have 90% chance for repair :)
Hi,
I've been doing some search on CD transplant. Many says its a flip-flap operation.
But they also mention a plot to desolder after shipping and lots of measures against static electricity.
Can you tell me more about this two things?
Can ESD precautions be taken easily, like touching metal, wood floor, not moving etc etc?Is it that easy to burn the mechanism while mounting or is it all this exaggerated?I mean, I've just teared appart the whole BS9000 twice without thinking about precautions and it still "work". Is the CD more sensitive?
Finally, any other thing I will have to face or must know before going on?
Sorry for the truck of questions and thank you in advance.
Ok, I'm in Switzerland near Geneva BTW (check my last message) :)
Cd lense are sensitive but you can go as long as you are aware you should touch something made of metal before and you don't wear a polar jacket or something like this during the process.
Good luck !
matador43: Hi, I've been doing some search on CD transplant. Many says its a flip-flap operation. But they also mention a plot to desolder after shipping and lots of measures against static electricity. Can you tell me more about this two things? Can ESD precautions be taken easily, like touching metal, wood floor, not moving etc etc?Is it that easy to burn the mechanism while mounting or is it all this exaggerated?I mean, I've just teared appart the whole BS9000 twice without thinking about precautions and it still "work". Is the CD more sensitive? Finally, any other thing I will have to face or must know before going on? Sorry for the truck of questions and thank you in advance.
Just buy a CDM12.4 laser on ebay, and swap the laser only. It is easy, and it will work after that(if the laser you find works). No soldering blobs or anti-staic stuff to take into account.
If you look at the laser ribbon(after you have dismantled the cd mechanism, it will say "3067 EF-20". This is the CD12.4 laser. If it does not say that, then you should find a laser with the same markings.
/Weebyx
Use antistatic gloves with all you do on electronic inside.
On the VAM12.4 there is no need to desolder anything at least from my experiance.
If you want to place ribbon correct, take of alu plate and set ribbon plus bottom of BS9000.
Pleace all ground wires back in plece.
Thank you Nanan,
Yes, in the meantime, the sellers gave me the part and I manage to refit it, But thanks again for your help.By the way if you have other spare parts I"m looking for the spring for the left hinge (the one without cogs).
nanan:Cd lense are sensitive but you can go as long as you are aware you should touch something made of metal before and you don't wear a polar jacket or something like this during the process.
Thats perfectly what I wanted to hear .
Now I need to wait exchanges with China to be "quieter" to order a new mechanism.
I let you all know…
Thank you Weebyx and Marexy,
Will check the laser ref and order accordingly.
Hi everyone,
I'm happy to announce the BeoSound 9000 is working again. Disc spinning playing, resting as originally oriented.Appart from some random ratling noises which I recognize as coming from the flex cable (and therefore will remains as it!) and as far as I've tested it, it works.
I must say that replacing the laser was quite a thriller: you have to push some parts to make them pop very close to other parts or thin wires which seems to be fragile. Maybe when you know what you do it's easy but when it's the first time, believe me, I'm still trying to reduce my heartbeat while writing :-)Looking back, I've found easier to fit back the sledge motor and the wires. That said, it's not an impossible task either.
Anyway, It's working and I'm happy. Pictures will follow
And here is the beauty !
That is a very nice system... Glad you were tenacious enough to get it working... This sort of project always scares me!!!
Great Job
Well done on completing your 9000 repair. It looks great.
I am am rebuilding my 9000 after some repairs and need to fit the wire to the sledge. Could you please tell me where you found the instructions?
Thank you
barry
barryblue: Hi Well done on completing your 9000 repair. It looks great. I am am rebuilding my 9000 after some repairs and need to fit the wire to the sledge. Could you please tell me where you found the instructions? Thank you barry
Yes, of course.
You need to tear appart the whole thing from the top, which means: glass, top control plate and top plate. Follow he service manual or maybe you already know how to do that :-)
You have to expose the sledge carriage motor (the one with the tacho wheel, see the picture in previous page) and the carriage. Always be very careful with the tacho disc!
Put the carriage in position 1 or 6. Notice the wire slots under the two top pulleys on then carriage, they look like an anchor and have a groove which leads to a hole were the ball an the end of the wire seats (like a bicycle break arm).
The wire leaves the motor pulley by the top at the center. Right wire, clockwise from front to middle, left wire counterclockwise from far back to middle. Each wire go to the carriage groove opposite from where it comes: the wire leaving the motor to the right, come to the carriage by the right side through the big black pulley and is affixed to the left groove, thus making the two wires cross. Have a look at the pictures in the service manual and image google "beosound 9000 repair" to see how it looks. When you'll see it you'll understand easily!
Now the laborious part starts. you have to manually wind one of the wires, trying to make it follow the groove on the pulley and at the same time passing the end of the wire up and down around the axis, always taking care of the tacho disc. when you have a fair amount of loops tuck the wire around the black pulley and the end ball in the appropriate hole. try to matain tension for the wire not to unwind.
Now if you carefully move the carriage to the other side of the BS, what you just winded should unwind, the other wire should wind up and you should be able to secure the second end ball. Then use some force to tuck the second cable around his black pulley too. When done, by carefully moving the carriage back and forth, the wires should takes appropriate their position. Compare with pictures and check all is moving smoothly.
Done!
My post may look like it's a complicated task but its not. Four hands are better than two, but I did it alone in two hours with dismantling, assembling and I also had to place the motor and understand how it all works. To compare, the week after I had to replace the laser head and it did seem more complicated to me!
Good luck, tell us when it's done and tell me if I was unclear and you need more help.
Thanks for the swift response :-)
I already have the 9000 apart (lid, top cover, etc removed) so it is just the motor wire that I am focussed on (at the moment!).
I will report back after I have completed the work with any clarifications.
All the best
Barry
To clarify…
Thanks :-)
Apologies for the delay in responding, I haven't had time to try your guidance until now.
I have the wire connected. Your instructions were accurate, however deciding how many turns on the motor "threads" was trial and error!
Before re-assembling the 9000 I am concerned about the routing of the cables from the CD assembly and guard strips. Did you dress them in any particular way?
Thanks again.
barryblue: the routing of the cables from the CD assembly and guard strips. Did you dress them in any particular way?
the routing of the cables from the CD assembly and guard strips. Did you dress them in any particular way?
Sorry, I dont understand which cables you're talking about.
The cables that take the CD signals from the sledge and are routed into the channel of the rear cover
Are you talking the long ribbon cables who connect the travelling sledge to the mainboard or the two little flat cables going from the laser assembly to the clamper ?