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Millemissen:Get a dedicated tablet for media-only, and give it a friendly nickname that won't remind you of work or 'some one elses hardware'....
Are you honestly telling me the best possible controller for a (very expensive) B&O media system is an app on an iPad??
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Puncher:Are you honestly telling me the best possible controller for a (very expensive) B&O media system is an app on an iPad??
essence: Puncher: Are you honestly telling me the best possible controller for a (very expensive) B&O media system is an app on an iPad?? I'm going to say yes. It matches B&O's ethos of convenient luxury. Of course something like control 4 will do it, but it's not as cool or sharp or ergonomic as apple. You need a controller, what's better than apple?!
Puncher: Are you honestly telling me the best possible controller for a (very expensive) B&O media system is an app on an iPad??
I'm going to say yes. It matches B&O's ethos of convenient luxury. Of course something like control 4 will do it, but it's not as cool or sharp or ergonomic as apple. You need a controller, what's better than apple?!
Luxury??
Also, your best possible controller for a B&O media system has no IR facility for current, older or third party product.
Millemissen: tournedos: Have you touch screen advocates ever thought how a blind person would use his music system? I am not sure it would be easier for the blind person to go to the place where the cd's are located, pick just the one he/she wants to hear and then pop it into a cd player MM
tournedos: Have you touch screen advocates ever thought how a blind person would use his music system?
Have you touch screen advocates ever thought how a blind person would use his music system?
I am not sure it would be easier for the blind person to go to the place where the cd's are located, pick just the one he/she wants to hear and then pop it into a cd player
MM
So you can't think of anything in between those extremities? They wouldn't want to adjust th volume or skip from one track / playlist to another, for example? Perhaps the fine system will read out their selections through the speakers when they are using a (tactile) remote. Perhaps the entire system is controlled through an embedded web server you can use with the accessible browser of your choice on the device of your choice, instead of a single app on a single (3rd party) platform.
--mika
Anything IOS for remote should just merely seen as a nice to have.
The Essence is fine for price point but market is there for multi room setup. For remote, having the wall mounted bluetooth remote is nice but just as an option. a solid 2 way remote that is not Ipad still has justification.
Any existing 2 way loads the covers on demand. That causes a time lag when browsing the library which is annoying, These little details mattered in the past. Compare how much was put into the BS9000 that it can change between CDs fast and how much they have done to make Beo6 work.
Yes I can put all my music on an ipad and stream from there, butt hat doesnt support multi room ..... There is wiggle room, Sonos is positioned very well but not so much an option to drive a 7500$ speaker set ....
I am hoping the rumored B&O tablet will address ....
Puncher: Millemissen:Get a dedicated tablet for media-only, and give it a friendly nickname that won't remind you of work or 'some one elses hardware'.... Are you honestly telling me the best possible controller for a (very expensive) B&O media system is an app on an iPad??
What "(very expensive) B&O media system" do you mean?
We are talking sound systems like the Essence and the Playmaker here.
Of course you need an app on e.g. an iPad to make these do what you want.
Even if B&O would create a 'hardware/software remote/pad' for these, they probably would not be able to sell enough of these.
I think they should focus on making the app (BeoMusic) as excellent as possible - with a genuine 'B&O-feeling'.
If you mean a new (universal) controller for the new and coming NL-products, you are right.
I surely would not tell you that 'an app on an iPad' would be the 'best possible controller'.
But untill we have this thing (and we don't know if it will come), app's on an iPad definitely are a good way to serve a B&O music/media system...
...in combination with the good old Beo4.
By the way, a lot of the high end/highprice audio systems today are being controlled by app's on the iPad:
The Aurender - http://www.aurender.com/products/s10.html#ipad
Linn - http://oss.linn.co.uk/trac
and Kaleidascape - http://www.kaleidescape.com/products/apps/
just to name a few.
I am not afraid to face the possibilities in non-B&O hardware, if it can be used in a descent way.
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Puncher: Also, your best possible controller for a B&O media system has no IR facility for current, older or third party product.
Correct - but you will have to 'feed' a Playmaker some way!
AirPlay is one way, a DLNA app is another - best used with a big screen/iPad.
A third party product like a Bluray player on a V1/BV11 etc can be controlled through the 'BeoRemote' app.
New B&O systems with less hardware than before (because the media is stored elsewhere) relies on a good interface.
Sure I would prefer that the hardware for this interface could be made from B&O as well.
Maybe our wishes soon come true
Exiting times, we live in!
tournedos: Perhaps the entire system is controlled through an embedded web server you can use with the accessible browser of your choice on the device of your choice, instead of a single app on a single (3rd party) platform.
Perhaps the entire system is controlled through an embedded web server you can use with the accessible browser of your choice on the device of your choice, instead of a single app on a single (3rd party) platform.
An interesting thought - and actually not far from reality.
Problem is: are they going to make it this way?
I doubt it - and I guess that we will have little influence on that decition.
N.B. Even if they did, I would still choose the iPad as my (3rd party) platform
StUrrock:B&O, will survive by providing access to the cloud content in a distinctive way
I agree.
StUrrock:Forget DLNA forget Airplay think CLOUD! the big players will eventually control all content this way. the little players such as, B&O, will survive by providing access to the cloud content in a distinctive way.
the big players will eventually control all content this way.
the little players such as, B&O, will survive by providing access to the cloud content in a distinctive way.
What are you trying to say with this?
Whether you have local files or cloud based services, you will need an interface on a hardware for managing that anyway.
If the content should/will come from local stored files or from a cloud service (or both) is another story,
This discussion is about finding the best way to control it - to bring it to our loudspeakers and/or BV's.
Hey guys as for B&O going after Beep - there's a company called Bose that showed their system with a circular wireless controller months ago:
http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/shop_online/wifi_music_systems/soundtouch_stereo/index.jsp
http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/shop_online/wifi_music_systems/accessories/soundtouch_controller/index.jsp&color=bl
This system also comes with a tablet app where you control things in depth.
Now I'm certainly not a big fan of Bose products but let's admit they got a few things right here
1) the controller has a display in it and a way to select from 6 preset streams or playlists (much like the presets on a car radio)
2) the system is designed to support multi-room audio
In any case I find it hard to believe that the company who brought us the Beolink 7000, a product that was 20 years ahead of its time, is now where they are with this stuff. I like the essence and will probably buy one because it's basically a sexier looking playmaker, but I feel like it could have been a lot more. Maybe something else is on the way.
Ryan: Hey guys as for B&O going after Beep - there's a small company called Bose that showed their system with a small circular wireless controller months ago: http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/shop_online/wifi_music_systems/soundtouch_stereo/index.jsp http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/shop_online/wifi_music_systems/accessories/soundtouch_controller/index.jsp&color=bl This system also comes with a tablet app where you control things in depth. Now I'm certainly not a big fan of Bose products but let's admit they got a few things right here 1) the controller has a display in it and a way to select from 6 preset streams or playlists (much like the presets on a car radio) 2) the system is designed to support multi-room audio In any case I find it hard to believe that the company who brought us the Beolink 7000, a product that was 20 years ahead of it's time, is now where they are with this stuff. I like the essence and will probably buy one because it's basically a sexier looking playmaker, but I feel like it could have been a lot more. Maybe something else is on the way.
Hey guys as for B&O going after Beep - there's a small company called Bose that showed their system with a small circular wireless controller months ago:
In any case I find it hard to believe that the company who brought us the Beolink 7000, a product that was 20 years ahead of it's time, is now where they are with this stuff. I like the essence and will probably buy one because it's basically a sexier looking playmaker, but I feel like it could have been a lot more. Maybe something else is on the way.
Thanks for sharing that.
They are indeed doing a couple of things right there!
But the controller isn't 'pretty'
It looks a bit Chevrolet a/c control but is the decimal point in the right place on that price?
that may be compensation for the looks, which are familiar...
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The Bose SoundTouch awakes when you come near it with your hand and shows the infos on the LED.
That is what we would call 'magic', if this was the same for the BeoSound Essence!
Indeed it is strange that more companies come up with almost the same idea of controlling music at home.
The BOSE controller is essentially a simplified Beo5/6. Nothing particularly new or original there.
So whats essence then? It has less functionality. It doesnt support the multi room it seems or they missed talking about it and to have few selection buttons for default playlists or internet radio stations is nice.
The multiroom would have been nice .....
If anyone were likely to sue anyone over this concept it'd be Bose...better sound thru litigation. They have a history of suing both competitors and the press, they had a famous suit against Consumer Reports because CR said they didn't like their speakers.
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
jk1002:So whats essence then? It has less functionality. It doesnt support the multi room it seems or they missed talking about it and to have few selection buttons for default playlists or internet radio stations is nice. The multiroom would have been nice .....
Based on this you could do multi room if you stream itunes from a mac or pc. Also, the remote control would not be able to restart an airplay stream.
DLNA if the server is available, spotify connect and internet radio but not a stream from an airplay device.
i am using an old ipad to house my music so the remote could have been nice, same for multi room.
badgersurf: i do like the idea of a simple control to turn on the system at a point you left off,
i do like the idea of a simple control to turn on the system at a point you left off,
Pause?
Too long to list....
Where is the "Bikkel" when you need it!?
essence: Mr10Percent: I am still amiss as to why people think driving there system from a mobile device is a good thing? Maybe I'm too old and just no longer see the point. 10 Oh yeah, we forgot to tell you - sorry. We are now in the digital age.
Mr10Percent: I am still amiss as to why people think driving there system from a mobile device is a good thing? Maybe I'm too old and just no longer see the point. 10
I am still amiss as to why people think driving there system from a mobile device is a good thing? Maybe I'm too old and just no longer see the point.
10
Oh yeah, we forgot to tell you - sorry. We are now in the digital age.
In Essence. LOL
I was killing time and found this thread and thought I'd resurrect it because of how similar it is in sentiment to the Beosound Moment thread -- but this time about the BS Essence.
Also, check out BillC's comment in the latter portion of the thread as he seems to have predicted a "Beotablet."
Millimissen,
I went in to their website and it looks pretty cool!
I have an option of buying a second hand Essence in a box for about 400€, but I am not sure if the price is because it is something wrong with it, and it is far away, so no chance to try it out.
But this Beep, if I understand correct, connects to the rca on my BV7 and streams to it, and the AUX on the Ouverture and even directly to for example a pair of BL8000 with the special cable for connecting RCA and the litte box for activating the speaker.
I like this Beep idea!
Since I only have "old" B&O stuff (nothing with wifi), a Beep seems like a good choice.
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