BeoSound Moment: Album Compilation / Various Artists

Aware that this has been touched on within other threads, but feel that those have been nestled into huge bulky FAQ threads and that's the reason for breaking out this topic which I'm far from the only one struggling with.

While I'm aware that the solution is pointing to the Twonky server direction which is part of my Moment setup; it's still of interest to quickly understand what's your experience are with compilation albums or other albums which contains multiply album artist.

Believe that my directory structure might looks similar to most of other users by using Artists/Album and when it comes to compilation albums I'm keeping those within it's own directory named ~Various Artists. So far so good and which worked out for me in the past when using the Sonos. No struggles to keep such albums together and play them. Moving to the Twonky direction, it's here where the headache starts and yes I've also been reading numerous threads about Twonky server directory and tagging structure; but wanted to get final input from this forum as well.

My typical tagging which I've ensured over the years to ensure is in place for audio files have always been:

• TITLE
• ARTIST
• ALBUM ARTIST
• ALBUM
• TRACK (with leading zero if needed)
• GENRE

and lately I've also been looking into and adding the COMPILATION tag which I've set to 1 based on recommendation from other forums when it comes to compilation albums. With above tagging, it doesn't work out as it should and tracks are scattered all over in bits and pieces if albums.

One recommendation, which I haven't tried yet, but is to set ARTIST tag to "Various Artists" to get compilation albums sorted in under it's on structure on the Moment and then the recommendation has been to keep ALBUM ARTIST to what is should be, but I've also seen postings about clearing it out, setting it to Various Artists as well.

What is this forums experience and recommendation based on getting Twonky server (running on a QNAP NAS) together with the BeoSound Moment?

I would be interested in a quick 'how to' or some pointers here as well as I have ordered a Moment and it would be sweet to start off good from day 1.

Over the last months I have made sure to have set these tags by use of Yate;

Title

Artist

Album

Year

Genre (Is this needed for the moment by the way, in order for it to navigate on genre?)

Album Art

Collection Yes/No (for 'various artist' albums)

Am I ok here or do I need to set more? Is there some other player that you guys recommend I can test this with? (Preferrably on macosx).

Using Twonky on QNAP NAS, all files in flac.

Thanks!

In general it's a good thing to try to make use of the Genre variable but the trick is which genre wording to make use of as if you make use of mp3tag this application has a bunch to choose from and then I've recently being using Bliss which automatic fixed lacks of genre, album arts, etc in my attempt to clean up my music collection. But, when reading several articles on the net including what the author behind Bliss claims, it's starting to get a bit limited what genre you should make use off. And the question is then what are the genre that B&O and Moment are bulding the pattern play and mots around? So yes, it would be nice to have either an official or at least an un-official guide based on good practise which is my hope with this thread.

Also, when looking at my Twonky installation 8.x this one shows the compilation albums correct and Moment doesn't, whch we already know. But, the B&O Music app seems to show them far more correctly. So there is cleraly a gap betwen how Moment and B&O Music apps works with the same data.

Use Bliss to tag these compilations properly.

I have mo problem after tweaking Bliss to my likings

Barry Santini:

Use Bliss to tag these compilations properly.

I have mo problem after tweaking Bliss to my likings

Cool, thanks Barry. I will have Bliss going over my collection and see what it looks like.

Agree, Bliss is a great tool to clean up music archive and you can easily edit the genre that you want to have used, etc. But, to be rememered is that Bliss also make use of central intel to tag tracks in accordance what other have tagged their music. So once you start to try to figure out what would be the best way to utlise genre tagging it's starts to get limited. Bliss genre list is quite limited, to take an example is when looking at "Eletronic" genre which involves artists covering Kraftwerk, Yazoo, Depeche Mode, La Roux and moving over to certain ambient, techno music which kinds of makes the genre a bit broad. Hence where it would be nice with more common good practice or guideline or something to make life a bit easier. I would even suggest that it would be great if software like Bliss would offer certain level of mp3 tagging profiles based on devices used or to what detail and granularity level what would like to be utilised. But, that is another discussion for Bliss forum. :-)

Thanks for that Kimhav. I checked with bliss and luckely only a couple of them needed to be changes.

I agree with you that setting genre is somewhat subjective. A while ago i tried to see if I could introduce some standarization in my dbase, but even when it is your own naming there are always ones that don't really match the standards like Supertramp etc.

I was wondering, not all to long ago a saw the below screenshot here, displaying the genres on the moment. Do these reflect the standard genres for your own collection on the moment? Or does the moment do its own external database consulting for your numbers to place them in a genre? Otherwise it might make sense to name your genres to this standard. Any current moment users that know the anwser?

Justin

Justin:

Thanks for that Kimhav. I checked with bliss and luckely only a couple of them needed to be changes.

 

 

I agree with you that setting genre is somewhat subjective. A while ago i tried to see if I could introduce some standarization in my dbase, but even when it is your own naming there are always ones that don't really match the standards like Supertramp etc.

 

 

I was wondering, not all to long ago a saw the below screenshot here, displaying the genres on the moment. Do these reflect the standard genres for your own collection on the moment? Or does the moment do its own external database consulting for your numbers to place them in a genre? Otherwise it might make sense to name your genres to this standard. Any current moment users that know the anwser?

 

 

Justin

 

 

 

 

That is genres Moment are getting from Deezer. Does not cover the content on e.g a NAS.

Thanks for trying out bliss - I'm the programmer.

The way bliss's genre consolidation works is to assume your desired genre falls somewhere in a tree of genres, where you can imaging broad, general genres at the root, and more specific fine grained genres as the leaves (with levels between). In addition to the tree, you have the flat "allowed" list of genres. These genres could appear anywhere in the tree.

What bliss does is, it finds the current genre, or a genre it can find online if you don't already have a genre tagged. Then it traces this genre up the tree to the most specific "allowed" genre. Then it suggests that. So if (a) the list of allowed genres is small or (b) the suggested genres happen to already be high level, you'll get high level, broad genres.

It would be great to discuss on the bliss forum, as you say.