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Just saw this from IFA 2012...
http://es.engadget.com/photos/loewe-reference-id-ifa-2012/5250521/
Price starting at 5500€ for 40" with 1To hard drive.
Definatley looks a lot like a bv10. Can't really decide if I like or not but I am like that with a lot of new things when they come out then they start to grow on me (the new golf i didn't like but do now, the v1 starting to grow on me it's just not big enough. Still don't like the white v1 though).
It cant be a bad thing anyway especially price wise. Is it a smart tv?is it 3d? I like all thedifferent materials for the frets and I also like the idea of the wood. Hopefully will keep b and o on there toes and maybe even a price reduction in the new or current bv10!
Just found this
Other noteworthy options also include different TV mounts and speaker systems. Regardless of the user configuration, these panels feature both LED-backlighting and an ultra-fast 400Hz screen refresh rate to deliver better picture quality. This is matched by a powerful 160W audio subsystem with multichannel surround sound support. Here are the other key standard features: 1TB video recorder compatible with both 2D and 3D programs Time-*** function Triple digital tuners Ethernet, Wi-Fi and Powerline networking Compatible with Loewe Assist Media app for iOS devices The Loewe Reference ID will be launched in 40- and 46-inch screen sizes which are due to be out by the year's end, while a 55-inch version is due later in 2013.
Other noteworthy options also include different TV mounts and speaker systems. Regardless of the user configuration, these panels feature both LED-backlighting and an ultra-fast 400Hz screen refresh rate to deliver better picture quality. This is matched by a powerful 160W audio subsystem with multichannel surround sound support. Here are the other key standard features:
The Loewe Reference ID will be launched in 40- and 46-inch screen sizes which are due to be out by the year's end, while a 55-inch version is due later in 2013.
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.
It also has 400hz processing . I have seen many pictures of this tv and the amount of colour options and finishes is incredible. You have too give credit where credits due the 1tb hard drive which is able to record 2d and 3d is seriously impressive.
Beoplay A2
Thanks for the post ... I think
I can see that those of us who are married to Fabric Selectors (Soren. Rich, myself, et al) are going to have a hard time mounting a defence against this
BeoNut since '75
2012martin: Definatley looks a lot like a bv10.
Definatley looks a lot like a bv10.
It does indeed, but somewhat ironically my dealer reckons the forthcoming BV11 will be similar to the current Loewe Reference, with a much smaller speaker area (compared to the BV10), so it's much more easily placed on top of side table.
I was impressed with the Loewe range when I had a quick demo in Selfridges. Now we're lacking masterlink going forward, the "one remote does everything" will become less relevant for me, so perhaps a Loewe is a possibility when I decide to swap out the BV10.
I will say that i have always admired b&0 and still do but having recently purchased the loewe connect id 46" i find it to be an amazing tv, picture and sound quality wise.
Hi Chris!
I'm hoping the BV11 will be around £4000 but hey, who knows. It's one area as I marketing guy that I really don't know demographics on. I really don't know who is buying TVs these days as none of my university crowd don't own a TV (myself included now) it's all laptops. I'm thinking couples, families and senior citizens now in terms of marketing that's NOT good as these are the people with mortgages, family car debts, college fees etc. Of course, BeoWorld is a million miles away from this as there are a lot of high earners on it but that doesn't of course count for the majority of television purchaser customers. It's certainly an industry that I would not want to enter in now.
I agree with you Chris, the Avant was certainly a master piece at the time! In fact, i'd probably be happy to have one of those in my apartment today if they were still available (I don't do second hand).
Chris Townsend:Wife dead against moving brands though! 6-26/8-40?????
I have a 6-23 which I bought recently. Decent TV, good sound, but even second hand it was £1500.....for a old 23" TV. Funny, really.
Slightly nervous about the BV11. If they ditch the BV10 and replace with the BV11, based on history, it will mean our BV10's will take a hit as a trade-in.
I know it's the way of the world, but I've had that very thought. There is a local retailer trying to eBay a brand new 6-26 with hdmi inputs for £1750 or best offer and an 8-40 on Ebay for £1500! Tempting until you consider what the Loewe offers for just a little more! The V1 is not even a consideration in my book as a second tv.
Maybe wait a few years to watch the 4k/8k/OLED fight. I think we will end up with mix of both depending on budgets, and how stable they are. VHS/Betamax anybody?
I wouldn't consider paying extra for a 4K TV until there is sufficient content available to take adavantage of the higher resolution. Given that we're in still in a situation where a significant portion of broadcast TV is SD, I may be waiting a while.
Ban boring signatures!
Moxxey you guys are lucky with your trade ins! When I was located in the North of the UK, I tried to sell my 18mth old BV6-22 and no dealers were interested. In the end I sold it privately with just ONE person interested. Sold for £900 (I wanted £1250). Huge loss compared to the £3200 that i'd paid for it!
Forgot to mention, that was with the electric stand plus the unit was in this most incredible mint condition. Used for around 30 minutes a day!
Chris Townsend:Why people buy decent hd tv's to then watch SD is beyond me.
For the features, or simply because they need a TV? Where can you buy a non-HD TV nowadays?
Yes, I know some folks spend a lot of effort finding a mobile phone without a camera...
--mika
Paul W: Moxxey you guys are lucky with your trade ins!
Moxxey you guys are lucky with your trade ins!
Surely it's not a 'trade-in' if you try and simply sell your TV to the dealer? I would't try this and the dealer wouldn't be interested. Only LifeStyle or MoreThan will take second hand kit without a trade-in.
Trade-in's are, as they are described. A trade-in against the new TV. Normally you get a bit of a better deal (and, ironically, the dealer often sells the trade-in to Lifestyle or MoreThan!). If they don't think they can sell on the TV, they won't buy. To be fair, few people wanted those old 22"s after the 23" was released and there lots of them on the market.
I agree on the 4K thing, but I don't think I have watched and SD stuff on TV for a good couple of years now. Everything is HD.
I think the Loewe is a nice set, however the ones I have seen have all suffered from dirty screen effect, just like every other LED based display apart from the B&O sets.
Pioneer will be staying a while longer for me.
gizze: I agree on the 4K thing, but I don't think I have watched and SD stuff on TV for a good couple of years now. Everything is HD.
With Sky, yes. With Freeview, there are still a lot of SD channels. Just to be clear though, most programmes are now *filmed* in HD, even though they end up showing the programme on an SD channel. Sadly the source is often HD, but the end product relegated to SD.
The issue with 4K is the bandwidth required to push the content to your TV. I read that the BBC were doing a test recently and commented that the bandwidth required simply to show one channel, would basically stop 4K ever being a widespread success in the UK. It might work across cable and, to a lesser degree, Sky, but you'd never in a million years have enough bandwidth on Freeview for 4K and, sadly, Freeview is still more popular than cable or Sky.
Have you seen the resolution required for 4K broadcasting? Surely we all know the processing power required to decode such as video stream, never mind the bandwidth to get it to us in the first place. Imagine trying to send 10 x 4K channels?
The UK simply isn't geared up for 4K broadcasting and it won't be here for a long while yet, if at all.
moxxey:Just to be clear though, most programmes are now *filmed* in HD
moxxey:The issue with 4K is the bandwidth required to push the content to your TV
The RED One site (http://www.red.com/) has a list of who is filming in 4K these days - and there is a brief 4K "movie" you can download (1.7GB).
ANd a set of interesting blogs about their technology.
elephant:The RED One site (http://www.red.com/) has a list of who is filming in 4K these days - and there is a brief 4K "movie" you can download (1.7GB). ANd a set of interesting blogs about their technology. Beo-Ed :-)
moxxey: Have you seen the resolution required for 4K broadcasting? Surely we all know the processing power required to decode such as video stream, never mind the bandwidth to get it to us in the first place. Imagine trying to send 10 x 4K channels? The UK simply isn't geared up for 4K broadcasting and it won't be here for a long while yet, if at all.
To be fair we are not even set up for 1080 yet, some of the encoding they use now is poor anyway, then combine that with the bandwidth they are now allowing some channels and as soon as you get any movement or darker scenes it is far from 'HD'!!
I had an SDI modded Sky box feeding the direct digital feed into a Crystallio II processor a few years ago, and the same with an SDI modded Philips DVD player, and I swear that the image from that being upscaled was better than some of the HD we see on TV these days.
elephant: The RED One site (http://www.red.com/) has a list of who is filming in 4K these days - and there is a brief 4K "movie" you can download (1.7GB).
I can't find the download, but "brief" and "1.7GB" are the two key words there, I think. Most HD movies from Apple are less than 4GB in size and they are usually two hours of content. A two hour 4K movie would have significant streaming issues if they are provided by download.
My guess is that the industry would like to move to 4K for this reason, knowing it could keep the next-generation Blu-ray going a few years longer. Without it, and with faster broadband, it will be download only and a lot of users sadly think they should pirate rather than pay for a legit movie download (why do the latter when you can do the former, in many users eyes), hence why music on iTunes is worth billions of dollars and the Apple TV is still a "hobby" project.
I guess 4k is useful for films but for TV , especially classic stuff , why bother ? The resolution of sdtv is too low
This tech stuff gives me a bloomin headache :)
I had a demo of the new Bose tv today, and i was very impressed by its sound. Cosmetically its crap, and the picture wasn't much better.
moxxey: elephant: The RED One site (http://www.red.com/) has a list of who is filming in 4K these days - and there is a brief 4K "movie" you can download (1.7GB). I can't find the download, but "brief" and "1.7GB" are the two key words there, I think. Most HD movies from Apple are less than 4GB in size and they are usually two hours of content. A two hour 4K movie would have significant streaming issues if they are provided by download.
Here you go => http://www.red.com/news/ridley-scott-presents-loom-now-online
elephant: Here you go => http://www.red.com/news/ridley-scott-presents-loom-now-online
Thanks. Started downloading....and found it is 1.6GB. About half the size of an average iTunes 1080p HD movie (at 1.5 hours). I wonder how long this 4K clip is, exactly, at 1.6GB? If it's short, it proves my point - that the industry gurus are hoping that this forces us back to discs as a) it's too large to stream and b) too large to pirate successfully!