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one of my (three) B&O dealers just told me today they got an initial price and introduction date for a new high end Beolab. (BL5 explicitly confirmed to remain in production).
It will come "after the summer / early fall" -- price will be 55 thousand euros ("first special edition versions may go for 49.999").
I guess I'll be waiting 10 years and then try to find a second life one :-) hhmm, make that 20 years unless I win the lottery...
Rene
"You think we can slap some oak on this thing?"
ReneB: -- price will be 55 thousand euros ("first special edition versions may go for 49.999").
-- price will be 55 thousand euros ("first special edition versions may go for 49.999").
A pair or each
Maybe you only need one!
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
I suppose this is a real dumb question. What is the target market for this new speaker? Are there other products coming that are specifically made for the new speaker?
Some of us may have the money for this but there are many people who resisted buying the Beolab 5s which are half the price of this new speaker.
I hope B&O does not think the audiophile types will buy this. I honestly wish B&O well on this product but I really don't understand their strategy. Maybe someone has a better idea about this.
I think it's perfectly reasonable for a brand like B&O to have a speaker like that. It's all about reputation and prestige. And there are many really wealthy people, who will be willing to pay for something exclusive. I know that I'm not the target group of this product, but I still think that it's the right way to go. Diversify with Beoplay for budget and some top notch high end speaker to show off the brand's technological capabilities and maybe even superiority. There will be those willing to pay for it and I'll be happy to just admire the product.
Cheers
I agree with Linder's comments, from a company that is practically bankrupt, this is a crazy strategy. Look at those vulgar 85 and 105" Tvs they launched just two and a bit years ago. Gone. It's crazy, BeoPlay is doing really well because that is the general market now - it's the only section that has customers - nobody is buying into the BANG&OLUFSEN brand and what do they do? Release a 55K speaker. This business model simply does not make sense. No wonder every decade since the 1970s they need a bail out! Unbelieveable!!!
Can't wait to hear them
Paul W:I agree with Linder's comments, from a company that is practically bankrupt, this is a crazy strategy. Look at those vulgar 85 and 105" Tvs they launched just two and a bit years ago. Gone. It's crazy, BeoPlay is doing really well because that is the general market now - it's the only section that has customers - nobody is buying into the BANG&OLUFSEN brand and what do they do? Release a 55K speaker. This business model simply does not make sense. No wonder every decade since the 1970s they need a bail out! Unbelieveable!!!
This is B&O showing what they can do - they have some of the best loudspeaker engineers and test facilities which are roundly ignored by the Hi-Fi world most of the time, or denigrated. These are the type of speakers that will get on the front cover of all the Hi-Fi press and will no doubt sound stunning. It will raise the profile and the other products will bask in the reflected glory. They will no doubt make a big profit on the pairs they make which should cover the development and the research will no doubt filter down to more affordable products in the future.
Peter
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Manbearpig: I think it's perfectly reasonable for a brand like B&O to have a speaker like that. It's all about reputation and prestige. And there are many really wealthy people, who will be willing to pay for something exclusive. I know that I'm not the target group of this product, but I still think that it's the right way to go. Diversify with Beoplay for budget and some top notch high end speaker to show off the brand's technological capabilities and maybe even superiority. There will be those willing to pay for it and I'll be happy to just admire the product. Cheers
I agree completely.
Beolab 28s Beolab 9s Beolab 12-3s Beolab 1s Beolab 6000s 2 pairs Beolab 4000s Beovision 7-55 Beovision 10-40 Beoplay V1 32 inch Beovision Avant 32 inch Beosound 1 (CD player) Beosound 3000 Beosound 5 Core Essence MKII Beoplay M5
Peter: This is B&O showing what they can do - they have some of the best loudspeaker engineers and test facilities which are roundly ignored by the Hi-Fi world most of the time, or denigrated. These are the type of speakers that will get on the front cover of all the Hi-Fi press and will no doubt sound stunning. It will raise the profile and the other products will bask in the reflected glory. They will no doubt make a big profit on the pairs they make which should cover the development and the research will no doubt filter down to more affordable products in the future.
+1
ReneB: one of my (three) B&O dealers just told me today they got an initial price and introduction date for a new high end Beolab. (BL5 explicitly confirmed to remain in production). It will come "after the summer / early fall" -- price will be 55 thousand euros ("first special edition versions may go for 49.999"). I guess I'll be waiting 10 years and then try to find a second life one :-) hhmm, make that 20 years unless I win the lottery... Rene
Do you know anything about the size and number of drivers and amps? Will it have the ALT?
I believe I recall an earlier statement that it would have the ability to adjust frequency response at the listening position at all frequencies. Is this correct?
D
As someone who has worried that B&O have been losing their way somewhat recently, I welcome this news with open arms. Frankly my biggest concern is that whilst I feel that they will fit into the audio and hi-fi market extremely well, it seems to me that they don't really fit into B&O's range any more. Where is the high specification audio control centre to go with them? All I can see under the 'Sound System' section of the website are 3 posh MP3 players...
And it isn´t that expensive compared to the BL5 if you look at the number of euro´s you pay pr kg
The BL5 is in the feather weight class with its 61 kg compared to the 150 kg for this one.
Roger
AdamS: Where is the high specification audio control centre to go with them? All I can see under the 'Sound System' section of the website are 3 posh MP3 players...
Where is the high specification audio control centre to go with them? All I can see under the 'Sound System' section of the website are 3 posh MP3 players...
These are???
And what is wrong with connecting these speakers (of which we know very little by now) to a BV like the BV11 or the Avant?
Roger:The BL5 is in the feather weight class with its 61 kg compared to the 150 kg for this one.
BeoNut since '75
Millemissen: AdamS: Where is the high specification audio control centre to go with them? All I can see under the 'Sound System' section of the website are 3 posh MP3 players... These are??? And what is wrong with connecting these speakers (of which we know very little by now) to a BV like the BV11 or the Avant? MM
Well, this link below says it pretty well for me. Granted, for BeoLab speakers, you don't need a "receiver" but a "pre-amp", but the philosophy is the same.
http://www.soundandvision.com/content/long-live-avr-king
BeoBoy68: Attention ! Available only in selected Beoshop. Special order for special price.
Likely related to the fact that only a few dealers have the cash to tie up in the floor model!
Millemissen: And what is wrong with connecting these speakers (of which we know very little by now) to a BV like the BV11 or the Avant? MM
That strikes me as being like buying a Ferrari and running it on cheap supermarket petrol. It'll work, but you won't exactly be getting the best out of it!
i think your right AdamS.
Maybe a new (high-end) stereo is in the pipeline to
koning: i think your right AdamS. Maybe a new (high-end) stereo is in the pipeline to
Given how B & O got rid of the center channel speakers (BeoLab 7-4 and BeoLab 10), I think B & O wants listeners to use the speakers in the TV as the center channel.
If B & O produced a versatile surround processor/preamp a la Integra, Marantz, Denon, etc. with Powerlink outputs, I would consider it.
AdamS: Millemissen: And what is wrong with connecting these speakers (of which we know very little by now) to a BV like the BV11 or the Avant? MM That strikes me as being like buying a Ferrari and running it on cheap supermarket petrol. It'll work, but you won't exactly be getting the best out of it!
Why do you compare the audioengine of a BV11/BV Avant with 'cheap super market petrol'?
Doonesbury: koning: i think your right AdamS. Maybe a new (high-end) stereo is in the pipeline to Given how B & O got rid of the center channel speakers (BeoLab 7-4 and BeoLab 10), I think B & O wants listeners to use the speakers in the TV as the center channel. If B & O produced a versatile surround processor/preamp a la Integra, Marantz, Denon, etc. with Powerlink outputs, I would consider it. D
That is called a BeoSystem 4!
Doonesbury:If B & O produced a versatile surround processor/preamp a la Integra, Marantz, Denon, etc. with Powerlink outputs, I would consider it.
Couldn't the Beosystem 4 (or whatever the next one is), be considered a versatile surround processor?
Apologies MM, I didn't see your post! We're thinking the same thing.
Sal: Doonesbury:If B & O produced a versatile surround processor/preamp a la Integra, Marantz, Denon, etc. with Powerlink outputs, I would consider it. Couldn't the Beosystem 4 (or whatever the next one is), be considered a versatile surround processor?
Looking at photos of it, does it have phono inputs for other components like a turntable?
Does it have surround sound processing to set up a system automatically like Audyssey MultEQ XT?
Doonesbury: Looking at photos of it, does it have phono inputs for other components like a turntable? Does it have surround sound processing to set up a system automatically like Audyssey MultEQ XT?
The BeoSystem 4 has extensive multichannel processing.
However, it does not have a room compensation algorithm, and it does not have an input with a RIAA preamp (Of course, this can be added externally. I have a small/cheap one feeding my BeoVision 11's AV input, for example... The BeoSystem 4 is the basically same as a BeoVision 11 without a screen or loudspeakers.)
For more info on the BeoSystem 4's capabilities, you can check out the following:
Technical Sound Guide
BeoSystem 4 Bass Management
TrueImage Upmixing
BeoSystem 4 Combinatorics (just for "fun"...)
-geoff
Razlaw:I agree completely.
Aussie Michael:+2
Sorry BeoBoy68 , but I can only answer technical questions about products that are in the current B&O portfolio.
We have regulated it democratically. My woman decides the big things of the life.... which party we choose and whether we for the peace are etc. and I decide the small things of the life... witch B&O arrangement we shop and which loudspeakers...., therefore, I also have the BeoLab 5
BeoVision 7-40 HD-Modul, BeoViision 11-40, BeoVision 8 32" white + Floor Stand, 2x Apple TV 4 mit Kodi, DVD2, HDR2, BeoSound 9000 MKIII White Edition, 2x BeoSound Moment + Floor Stand, 2x BeoSound Stage, BeoSound Core, BeoSound 35 brass, BeoSound 1 MKII + Floor Stand, 2x BeoSound 3, BeoSound 6, BeoSound 3200, BeoSound Essence , BeoPlay A9 Nordic Sky twilight, BeoPlay A8 MKII white + Floor Stand, BeoPlay A2 grey, 2x BeoPlay A3 white/bright blue, BeoPlay A1, 2x BeoPlay S3 white, Beolit 12 (White Edition), Beogram TX2, BeoLab 5, BeoLab 3, BeoLab 7-4, BeoLab 8000 MKII, Beolab 11, 2x BeoLab 3500, 4x LC2, 4x Beo4 - MK1-3, BeoRemonte One BT, 2x BeoRemonte Halo, Audio Terminal, Beolink 1000, BeoLink 7000, 2x EarSet A8, 3x A9 Keyring, EarSet 2, Form2, BeoPlay H6, 3x BeoTime, Beowatch, 2x Lightmanager Pro+ B&o Version, 4x BeoCom5, Beoline2, 3x Speakerphone, BeoTalk 1200, 5x Cabinets, MLGW, BLGW,
Geoff Martin: Sorry BeoBoy68 , but I can only answer technical questions about products that are in the current B&O portfolio. Cheers -geoff
Perhaps you could then give us some history. Specifically, how and why did B & O decide to make active speakers, almost exclusively? Here in the US, that seems to be very rare (subwoofers excepted). Personally, I think it's a great idea especially since one can have an electronic cross-over network that can "correct" for a driver's frequency response not to mention have almost any cross-over slope that is needed.
Also, many of the "golden eared" think that only Class A or tube amplifiers are worth having. Using Class D amplifiers almost exclusively might be seemed rather gutsy. Can you comment on any "real" concerns about using Class D amplifiers? I have doubts that amplifiers "sound" differently. I recall a double blind test that Stereo Review conducted in which everything from a rather cheap integrated amp to (2) monoblock amps with exterior power supplies were tested. If I recall correctly, provided that the amps didn't distort, there was no statistical difference in how the amps sounded.
Also, how did you come to incorporate the ALT into your speakers? Again, I think it's a great idea to get around the "beaming" problems that can occur at a driver's upper frequency range.
I have an all BeoLab speaker system, and all of my speakers have the ALT so I'm asking as a very satisfied customer!
Doonesbury: Perhaps you could then give us some history. Specifically, how and why did B & O decide to make active speakers, almost exclusively? Here in the US, that seems to be very rare (subwoofers excepted). Personally, I think it's a great idea especially since one can have an electronic cross-over network that can "correct" for a driver's frequency response not to mention have almost any cross-over slope that is needed.
I don't know about the "how" - since it's before my time. But the "why" is easy - I've written most of what I know about that topic here.
Regarding the amplifier question - that's already planned to be the topic of an upcoming blog posting as soon as I get enough time in my schedule to start writing again.
I hadn't considered talking about acoustic lenses in the blog - but I think that you're right. It would make a good topic for a posting. Thanks for that suggestion!
In the meantime, you may find some other interesting stories here.
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.